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Baccarat Stadium play 2019 February to August

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Punkcity, Apr 2, 2020.

  1. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Cheers and thanks I have mentioned this app this thread previously and use it also . The scoreboard I use to record games played on stadium etc. I too have issue a disclaimer of no affiliation.
    I have never actually downloaded the dac casino play though will look into it. Thanks for your effort. Cheers
     
  2. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    As per request post THIS THREAD your questions thanks.
    If you have read this thread your answer has been answered, re read the thread thanks. I had stated at the beginning of this thread I will not do your homework for you any of you. I posted that last year and the statement still stands. I have stated previously ( this very thread) ask the right question and I will reply . Not trying to be more of an ahole than I’m already but I have eliminated a lot of time wasting posters asking inane questions by refusing to engage in holding their hands or trying to learn for them. The information is in the thread. Cheers
     
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  3. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Cheers and once again thanks.
    I have since downloaded that actual site played a few games and have to say not a fan. One of the main reason I gravitate to the stadium play style is to have fast hands. This app is great if your into squeeze play then watching someone else have a squeeze then wait 3 rd card etc all over again. I’m not and it drove me nuts.
    I make a decision, deal the cards , give result, pay or not pay I’m ready for next hands 20 seconds or less, it’s not rocket science .
    I did try solo table but starting the shoe from scratch didn’t lend to my method and I loathe ( yes I know it’s free rolling) throwing a chip out to generate a result for the half dozen hands I need before my selection criteria kicks in , messes with the head and my own kpi . As you may or may not realise from my posts this thread I’m very disciplined, methodological and ( self imposed ) rule based player. Although it was fun it’s really not for me.
    Thanks once again Steve, I will wait until raccoon city 2021 gets sorted out by Alice then it’s stadium play etc. cheers
    On a side note I have being playing online at another site “””Disclaimer “””””
    “””””I don’t endorse or am I affiliated with pokerist “””””” it has a six deck shoe rng private table player & multi player table baccarat . I can start a shoe and no bet until method kicks , no squeeze so can bet hit deal result re bet etc. bang bang bang. Not an endorsement as I loathe to endorse. Cheers
     
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  4. Jimske

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    I read your thread! LOL. I hadn't before but someone asked me what I thought about it. I didn't think anything. Caveat. I went through in about an hour and then put a little spread sheet together to reverse engineer! Not much luck there. Congrats on your strike rate!

    I have a similar method that I can use. Yeah, I also use X and O but use up to 4 panels (I include the Main). It can be confusing at first to always have to "flip" the Main to see the roads but doable once you get used to it. I like that you have reduced the decision making to just a few quick parameters to easily keep within 20 seconds. I do that. Many times I already know what and where the next bet is going to be.

    One of the last posters questioned your bet selection. You said it's all there but I guess I missed it. It seems apparent that you use the (+) and the (-) to decide what and where you bet? Hard to figure when and where you switch roads though. You're not obligated to explain. It seems you try to follow the previous sign but can also bet for the sign "chop."

    The key IMO? Exit Points. I don't flat bet but still try to have discipline to recognize when things aren't going well and look for a time to move on.

    But then it got me thinking maybe I should consider flat betting more. Particularly like when yesterday I W 39 and L 21. Why don't I? Fear of variance! LOL

    Cheers
     
  5. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes thanks Steven I have navigation of that site and actually have found how to treat it like stadium play post. Bit of trial and error. I have gone for dealing cards not punters squeeze, fast mode tables and 1/2 price bank payout table, keep it similar to skippy casino style. Rather than setting private table I jump the screen ($100 min) area and select table that has 10-20 hands dealt already. Keeps the kpi in order as I get anal about my record of play. I don’t know how to send a friend request as I see your playing name in photo, my name on that site is same as this site.
    Thanks for the suggestion. I’m actually enjoy that site. Cheers
     
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  6. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Done in an hour, see not rocket science as I have previously posted. Lol.

    As posted, flat betting as 20seconds is not enough time to be correct amount in ladder betting, incorrect amount can lead to big blow outs , kiss flat betting easy money management.
    Exit points are key, much easier to handle flat betting, as per thread, than be in a 5 or 6th rung of a ladder bet progressive mm one is inclined NOT to exit because of perceived and actual losses at that point, example lose 6 flat $100 versus 21 units at Same level imho, been there done that, at a Marty you cannot stop as you are committed, been there done that. As per thread if I leave at say example 6 run ladder when I come back where do I start ? 7th rung bet and potentially go for another 5 or 6 losses straight? Tilt stress tilt, and if I stop on 4th leg Marty come back to new game at 5 th leg Marty?
    For mine , easy to flat.

    Here in skippy township we have 1/2price banker payout on total 6 win. We also have commission tables. I have played both, preferring the 1/2 price table,batshit crazy , most of posters here have started numerous posts various threads . I beg to disagree as over the years I have not always been a flat better, but one thing that just seemed to naw at me was the commission table the rat taking a piece of the cheese and you won. Psychologically it’s in the back of the mind and hence so many posters correctly stating the 5% problem.
    I , that’s me , as in my observation in my shit I do. The occurrence of 1/2 price results is not as often as poster suppose, yes you can get 3 in a row but you can play for days and not get one.
    Therefore with what I do flat betting with exit points is no problem
    As per quote you win 30+ and lost 20 ish I assume you are on commission table and that may be in the back of your mind ( nibbling mouse ) AND we don’t know every for sure if we are going to hit a long stretch of outs. Wins vice versa etc.

    I have done many of actual hands at a real casino this thread was a snap shot of a typical year (in this snap shot about 14900 hands ) as much as I hate the term in the long run, prefer in due course lol, with good bet selection you get good % and personal flat betting I have been able to prove to myself ( and I’m the only one I need to ) that it can be done profitably , AND I’m saying that with some effort others can do similar, ( just have to get rid of some of the past baggage one carries re betting mm etc) and starting from a modest initial bankroll, yes fully endorse the small business analogy 100%.
    Will reply later re another point you have addressed ,
    Cheers
     
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  7. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    To follow up .
    Please be advised this is my personal take on what baccarat is. This is what the thread was inspired by, this is what led me to understand what it is that I do to achieve the results I have posted this thread. Most days it works other days so so and the odd day it not happen at all.
    I will prefix each statement with the precursors of
    Imho,
    From my experience,
    I state it now but will not type every time, if anyone has a problem I refer you all back to the once written prefixes in above paragraph

    Baccarat is a game of predominantly chop hands , ten years ago casino here used to give cards to write on before the eltronic screen. The cards where from memory 64 column long by 6 squares deep. Folded and double sided. I used to think why as the average shoe in an 8 deck ( here in skippy township casino) is 85 hands give or take, including ties and also depending on current time of year how deep they cut the deck. Believe it or not but at Chinese new year’s the decks are cut at 51%!of the shoe . Apparently it’s for our safety I was told lol .
    So the score cards had to mean something, I find it’s because the so called long run be it bank or play every one chases or try to bet against is not such a dominant fact as one is predisposed to believe, yes insert however many you have seen here etc , it happens but it’s not the norm.
    The normal is that every shoe is chop , example randomly, you get 2,3,4,5,6 . 1,1,1,2,1,3,1,3,1,2,1,1,,6,7,3,4,2,1,3,1,1,2,3,3,2,1,1,1,3,2 as examples approx 85 hands no ties but we have as the majority of the shoe is chopped with 35 ish changes from the previous hand dealt, there is no 35 banks in a row, no 35 player or ties in a row in the example given, the dominant factor is chop, that’s why I use to play Marty and progressive bets. That is why I now play flat betting.

    To answer your question or rather address the statement in above quote
    reference being
    ” you play + and - etc, then you say you follow previous sign but you can play chop ,”
    I summised,
    Yes that’s because I see the game as chop, I’m more than happy to swing into a chop bet after a loss of 2or 3 hands after being following the last - or + decision and winning, as it’s MY belief it’s predictable to chop.
    The nature of my losses is when I’ve jumped to early on to a chop bet or it swing from chop to follow follow, chop , followed chop that’s when the exit points are in play and you quite rightly said it’s telling you to come back later.
    If you jimske look at that shoe you said you played for 39 ish win and 20 odd losses 60 ish hands in total you will see the chop outweighs the following. Maybe not but you get the picture.
    When I play stadium infinity rng the screen has 38 column by 6 squares deep, on my day betting book of all the hands I play at the top of the page is always a tabulated number sequence ,as set in above example this post, that plus the -and + , and the X and O symbols plus a triangle for tie , and the occasional 1/2 price bank O with a / through it , to indicate half price results . The tabulated numbers keeps me on pulse of how quickly the current game I’m involved in is jumping or not from chop chop etc to follow follow etc.
    as an example of a quote game this thread the follow is like this, +,+,+,+,+, I’m winning on the + at this stage etc then it goes, - , first loss . I have tabulated the + at 5 , I quickly reference my page this game and see example 4,5,3, now last 5(+) I decide to follow the - , next bet will - etc , if it goes to + straight away, 2 nd loss then it’s changed or cracked as I term it then I’m more inclined to bet chop as that is the new nature of the game at hand. This is the reference to playing the game in front of me , this is the continuous references to allow the game to show me what the harvest is.
    Yes sometimes you will not win every day but from the 14900 odd hands reference in this thread the odd lost day is not problematic imho.
    The other reason I only look back a few hands before start of play on stadium rng is because after studying and playing so many hands and remember I had stated previously that I had spent 12 hours at a time plus approximately 1450 hands view, played and analysis it has sweet f all to do with what you have in front of you now at this moment doing what I do. What happened at 9am has no bearing whatsoever on the same infinity rng at 9 pm at night. Believe me or not ( don’t really care) I have looked to the sequence per hour, per day , per minute, per week, per month and found no correlation for bank ,player or pairs . If there was a sequel bet I would have found it . The best I can say is what I have posted here.
    It works for me , sozz if no one else can get it to work for them self.
    Hopefully that’s of value, cheers
     
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    Glad you found something of value and thanks for the above information. Maybe I can finally figure some of this stuff out.
     
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  9. Jimske

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    Okay, I'm done with this Punkcity stuff (for now ;)). It got me thinking how come I don't get a 55% strike rate so I tried something different today and failed miserably! Well, not that miserably but still miserable. Then I got the shoe below which made me happy so I went home! Heck, everybody wins those shoes!!!

    I read some more of his stuff. Yep. I looked at some of his games he posted, too. Hard to dissect particularly when we don't know when he sits out and restarts. I'm fairly confused about the + - stuff. Evidently he uses these symbols to keep track of where he was and where he is going. Meaning which road he is playing.

    But hard to argue with a 55% strike rate. And my not so humble take is that it is a pretty good way to play. Whether or not you bet flat or use some kind of progression. It seems a lot of the success depends on the MM - when to stick and when to leave. I do that. I like to keep asking myself how well the shoe is going and if it is crappy or even just up and down going nowhere I look for a spot to just quit. MM. Good shoes will come.

    The idea of using continuous RNG is also a good idea. Most shoes change every few hands so no need to look back too far if you are betting some pattern or trend. Sometimes I have to wait 10 or 12 hands before I can make a bet.

    Somewhere he mentioned he plays the trend of the roads and what they mean to him. That's right, people see and look for different stuff. If I were to play this I probably would define beforehand what kind of trends or patterns I want to bet on. It could be many or it could be just a few but looking for specific outcomes can help prevent chasing.

    An important key is to look and play the derived roads because it avails us of three possible distinct trends to look at. Three or four pattern choices are better than one. A lot of times when the main road is just typical junk there is something going on down below. The trend is your friend!

    J

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    I quit after 3rd B
     
  10. Punkcity

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    All games posted and logged this thread are ACTUALLY played hands as stated in the opening page of thread. The exception is ties are not counted but are logged, half price bank wins are rounded down and are not added up to make full units, they are just bonus units at the end of the day used for tips, slutty days running costs etc.
    if a no bet was watched it would be logged but would have a nb as a notation usually the no bets are at the start of the game as I’m loading the machine and after awhile I simply didn’t include it in the day book as anything other than a no bet start of game play .
    No particular trend is important as all trends have equal weight, you can lose or win in equal amount as they develop or not. The comment re value of the shoe unfolding is paramount sometimes it’s going to shit and one gets to know that from experience and it’s never going ti be a golden harvest, as per walk through exit point summary various games posted in full. They are the essence of the thinking as the shoes/ rng game section unfolds, as stated I don’t mind taking a hit , walk away come back and start again. No ego helps as I often post I take what is on offer NOT what I THINK it should give me or WANT it to give ME as in my predetermined ego driven preconceived requirements. It’s got nothing for me leave, it has something but after 5 hands win lose , end of game. That ego process was also posted that thread .
    I do work on the theory of diminished return as opposed to many thinkers of you are on a streak bet bigger, I know I can hit 10, 15, 18! Wins on OCCASION. My bread and butter comes in the 1-5 range.
    As stated I can and did progressive bet and Mary this method I use , I posted reasons why I don’t use that strategy anymore.
    IF
    I was to go back to table play as opposed to stadium , more than not likely , I would progressive bet as I would have more time to bet build as opposed to the 20 second time limit amd the $1000 max limit I play at stadium.
    Obviously my bet unit would be lower table min $50 or $100 units therefore my kpi would be down to what I’m used to at the level I’m at flat betting at the moment.
    So no wouldn’t change. Time is more important to me. Stadium, flat , big unit , win go home lose no problem go home. Cheers
     
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    Very good statement and the backbone of my approach, from dealer shoe time time time ten minutes one hand , rng twenty hands min made a $2000 and gone, let the shit and dross happen come back later have a quick scan nothing looks promising leave , come back ten minutes brand new day so to speak, in the actual time frame maybe 45 minutes and more than a shoe has been churned, quick look and no joy if you play it or sometimes oops missed a streak. No problem. You bet when you are ready NOT because the hand is being dealt and the shoe is about to finish. Cheers
     
  12. Jimske

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    Just f or fun. Practice what I preach. Beginners luck. LWWLWWLWWWWWWLL QUIT

    Played the Pig. Came in and started after 7 blue.

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    Went back to my normal method rest of the afternoon. 57% hit rate. Lucky! But then I was thinking about another easy of playing the derived roads using a favorite play of mine and the Gr8 one! Yup! It's the longer still or breakout bet. Simply wait for one of the colors to bet one more than it did before and jump on it until it loses. See it in the above shoe? Got some wins in the Big, Small and Pig. Easy to pick up 3 or 4 units. Could use the chops, too, though they can be tricky. A lot better chance of getting a super run with 4 trails!
     
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    Is Wind Creek (former Sands) up and running?
     

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    Thanks for the breakdown on how to find the stadium like tables on that app, it's great, it keeps good records for you too.. games played are off because it counts games that are watched.
    But winning % are accurate. Almost played 230ish hands using your style described in this thread quiting at the end of winning run if positive and jumping on another table. Highest i have seen of other players with significant amount of hands is around 55%. My sample is.tiny I know. Hope you don't mind my name. Ive logged about 20 sessions. Then other two are the best % that i found while playing with significant amount of hands.

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    Your welcome, I meant to post you from pokerist as this seems a better site, seems more authentic than pokerist as I sort of found a huge loss streak there ( pokerist) as before if I don’t play a few months I win but after a month or two consistently winning it just drys up . I loath to say that they worked out what we do but it’s possible, I will not bet there for another month as it’s been 3weeks already ish so will access my thoughts from 6 months ago as I had a sneaky suspicion then , so I took a break from there. I will ping you later, hopefully all’s good with you and yours. Cheers
     
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    Stadium skippy lol I keep an eye out for you as I’m there as punkcity, I don’t do face book so not sure how to friends on that site, if you work it out let me know. I will check email tomorrow my time. Saturday 27 th. Cheers.
     
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    Yes I’m astounded how many +50% on that site but look at the higher balance vs the today balance they seem to do a lot of progressive and pairs / tie bets . That’s ok as most of them seem to be random from what I’ve seen. Cheers
     
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    Stadium skippy lol at least give yourself a glowing platypus avatar lol
     
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    Punk city,

    Let me know if you want me to start a new thread with these posts

    I tried to.respond to your email but Its not sending out, I think my google storage is full so I'll respond with other email address.

    I played a total of 632 hands won 321 lost 311 so plus 10, 50.8%

    I had a lot of half price 6s so I'm sure I'm either even or losing slightly overall, I'm not keeping track myself just using the stats that the site provides.
    I will email them and see if they can give me a true winning $ stat. It's also hard to keep track because they are constantly giving you bonuses etc.


    I'm flat betting, using the stadium style you described here on your thread and sometimes shoe ends on me, so I just take loss or end on a win etc.

    How are your stats holding up on this site?

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    Typical game history

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    Above is table 143 (75%), i played 5 hands, Including 1 tie,
    Colored in bubble is won game, greyed out bubble is game lost, history has me playing 10 hands, obviously 5 watched are included, I won 3 in a row, tied next one, lost next one and quit.





    Best I've seen 58% 16000+ won hands

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