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Roulette Staying under the radar

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by chewtoy, May 21, 2020 at 11:31 AM.

  1. chewtoy

    chewtoy New Member

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    Hey gamblers,

    It's my first thread here on this forum. Thank you all for all the good tips and system you posted, it really helped me understand more roulette and do my own strategies.

    I wanted to ask you guys what are your advices to be discreet in a casino while playing, stay under the radar so you can keep winning without being noticed and kicked out.

    In my point of view, here are different things possible :

    - not playing often in the same casino, specially not everyday, maybe once a week would be top.
    - travelling in different casinos, different countries, cities over time to follow the first rule
    - playing not only roulette but other game sometimes to give the illusion to be a tourist gambler
    - playing on games only when they are crowded
    - prioritizing playing on tables than electronic screen machines
    - loosing on purpose some session (small amounts of course)
    - dressing differently when going to the same casino over time
    - avoid playing with big chips and keep bets low
    - not being greedy

    Do you have any other ideas ?

    cheers
     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    nope, that should do it except for some more obvious ones. Take showers, don't stink. Don't be an obnoxious drunk. Don't spit on people when you speak. Tip once in a while. They will notice you and talk about you if you don't tip. Otherwise your list is good. OH, yeah, don't ask other players to explain their strategy to you while your are at the table.
     
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  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Discuss paranoia syndrome with your head shrink.
     
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  4. Punkcity

    Punkcity Active Member

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    Everything you wrote here is wrong, it’s the gamblers fallacy in action. You better get a wig and some jimmy darante glasses big help. Oh definitely go and talk to axill wiff the famous AP low life criminal. You really think you are going to take that much money from a casino? If you earn $5000 a day min x 20 days a month x 10 months a year = how much ? Don’t you think they earn more than that in a week? In a weekend? Do you honestly think they are going to give a rats arse for the amount you will dream of . No they won’t. When the casino open again do yourself a favour spend a day looking around watch the big betting going on at baccarat, have a talk and see if someone will sponsor you into the really high roller room. Be friendly and not an idiot, let them know you would appreciate the experience, and generally someone will sign you in. Actually if your dressed well just ask at the main casino host desk if they would give you a two hour pass, usually they are happy to do that. Then come back here and retract your opening post on this thread.
    As long as you don’t engage in illegal activities fake player identity, stealing etc the casino will not ban you for making $10000 a day. Some people bet $10000+ per hand. They know they will win it back especially from people with the attitude you just posted.
    -I would strongly suggest you read the posts of mdwag, gr8 etc. Then you have a wee think.
    I don’t think you are necessarily paranoid but more miss informed or perhaps overvaluing your own importance and or abilities.
    I actually know people who have won millions in a week not get banned then give it back by the end of the month because they are what you call your fellow gambler, you may want to re think that word tag and the action it calls for yourself . Otherwise stick to slot machines. Cheers, oh good luck to you as well.
     
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  5. Punkcity

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    Yes there are times to be under the radar . But the method and logic you proposed is not the reason nor the answer. This is a better post to post , rather than my previous post this thread. My apologies as I bounce when ever I see the urban myth of gamblers fallacy being presented as a logical strategy in any format. Cheers
     
  6. eugene

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    The worst that usually happens when you are winning ''big'' is that you will attract some extra attention from the pit or maybe one of the managers will come out to see what's going down. I have seen it loads where it ends up looking like some gladiatorial battle between the Casino and the player with a group cheering him/her on.
     
  7. Nathan Detroit

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    The biggest fallacy is that repeater crap..Some cats eat it hook line and sinker .
     

  8. Zhang Wei

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    Never play overnight. Keep your sessions as short as possible.

    I do not lose on purpose since I will encounter losing games sometimes.

    Don't worry about tipping in asian casinos. But people asking winners about their strategy is common.

    Play on tables with higher minimum bet. Most players there will have similar bet sizes.

    Best to leave before everybody start following your BS.
     
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  9. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Never drink.

    Never get the casino "card" - your play is tracked.
    It's still tracked without the card but you won't have to expose your ID unless you win large amounts.
    Don't let greed cloud your judgement.
    If you truly have a way to win - make sure to place losing bets as well.
    It's better to look "lucky" than it is to look like a professional gambler using something that threatens their business.
    If anyone asks you how you did, tell them you lost.
    Ignore the eye candy and all distractions that the casino has in place to help try to get your money from your
    bank account into theirs.
    Never draw attention to yourself or your play, regardless of how tempting it may be.

    Know who to listen to and who to ignore when it comes to advice.
    You'll see ample people to ignore........ they are obvious.
     
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  10. mr j

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    The players card thing, I'm on the fence with that. A few years ago (here), I never used a card but my buy-ins were so high (along with wins), they were getting pissed at me for not "cooperating". I had a card around 15 years ago (low stakes) but stopped using it, got bored with it I guess. (and I never told anyone my name at the tables).

    So, they got my REAL name somehow(?) I think either through my car plate number OR facial recognition. At that point (just to spite me), I bought in one day and they HANDED ME a comp card while laughing. I contacted top management etc. because I felt it was intrusive (actually had a meeting) but they blew it off.

    So as of late, I am TRACKED regardless if I like it or not. I have posted quite a few stories regarding how goofy this casino is here. It is absolute WAR, walking in. The 5.26% is the least of my concerns. With the new rules in place because of the virus (limited people at the tables), I will predict, I will NOT be on the short list to sit down and play.

    Because I do have the comp card, I ADMIT, I pay for nothing !!! Food, beer, gift shop etc. I have not paid for a meal there in years. Between comps and my points, no need to pay for meals.

    Ken
     
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  11. TurboGenius

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    We'll have to agree to disagree lol.
    I don't want anything they have to "comp" me with - nothing.
    I'm there and focus on one thing - to leave with their money so that's all I think about.
    There's nothing in the casino that they could offer that would entice me to get their card - they always ask,
    the pitboss always comes over and scribbles on his pad, I'm used to it. They haven't the iota of a clue what my name is
    and it's staying that way. Sure they might know "me" because I don't wear a fake mustache or pretend bald head when I go
    there (that's a real inside joke lol). But that's it.
     
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  12. mr j

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    Yeah, I guess I agree on that for others. As I said, I am IN THEIR SYSTEM and now, cannot get out (lol). They put my buy in under my name, in the computer regardless if I like it or not, even without handing them my card. That being said, why should I go pay for a steak dinner, if I can get it FREE?

    Ken
     
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  13. Punkcity

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    The “place losing bets” I have to question. This assumes you know when your about to lose, if you know that is the case why don’t you bet that loss to be a win bet. ?
    Your no notice attraction is also questionable. Really let’s face it most people love the imaginary world of TV movie and most have seen numerous movies re casino etc plus plenty of gangsters and other nefarious urban myth based loosely on some grain of truth situation turned into a Hollywood blockbuster. Doesn’t make it real . Yes in some parts of the world there are some very dubious gambling dens that are run by some really bad and dangerous people. Don’t play there. !!!!!!
    There are far more legitimate places than crap Indian, marfia, triad or greasy bobs casino , bar grill and whore house in most countries on the planet.
    Although I do agree on never telling everyone you win always but just tell them, pit bosses other patrons etc you lost today , but as I now no longer count cards at blackjack I really don’t see the need to be so vigilant towards casino staff. I am wary about other patrons and rarely strike up new friendships there.
    Once again unless you are taking millions per week from them the (legitimate)casino doesn’t care. If you’re taking $50 k a day twice a week they don’t care. I have been taking a lot of money on a daily basis for years from the same one and only legitimate casino in the city I live in. Do you know that my host has been in contact with me during Coronavirus lockdown not to tell me that I’ve earned to much of their money don’t come back. But to say hi hopefully I’m ok and can’t wait to see me when they re open which is the polite way of saying come back and let us win our money back from you. The casino have the house edge, they have the advantage of more staff, more money , better odds in their favour. We have ourselves, we need to leave the table to eat sleep and use the toilet. They rest their staff ,they set table min and maximum bets they don’t have to ban you, the odds do that for them because most people lose . Those that don’t (legitimately) the casino wants you back. They are more afraid of big winners NOT coming back. I have a cage account with a lot of money sitting in it. I have a player card but I don’t need the free stuff as I live 20 minutes away etc that’s my choice, but I use it to withdraw from my cage account. I go every week day to play why would I carry $25k bankroll plus days taking with me in cash that’s a big shoulder bag advertisement to other patrons I’m a good mark . Our highest bill denomination is a $100. That’s 250 plus bills and winning. In the not too distant future our government here in Australia, is going to withdraw $100 bills from circulation then in a further five years from then they will withdraw the $50 bills. Imagine carrying around your $25k bankroll in $10s and $20s . (This is an attempt to stop money laundering, and our black market cash economy both are very big here and a big part of everyday life. Australia is one of the most expensive places in world to buy drugs so lots of cash here boys and girls. )
    No some common sense is needed on this topic that creeps into some peoples thought processes. Sometimes I think people love the mellow drama of creating excuses as to why they should fail at making money from the casino, where in actual fact they don’t really have ability to handle all the emotional and mental, physical requirements of being in that workplace environment. They should stick to slot machines and gamble. Here is a question has any casino banned anybody from winning a huge slot jackpot? I know here of a person that won two x half million plus in one promotion campaign in the same year. No use some common sense people.
    But in saying the above l DO agree on some points, yes fly lower than being a show pony peacock that’s full agreement by me but not for some of the reason others have posted. Yes turbo I agree don’t tell them you have a reliable method and definitely don’t recruit a team to play there is no point in that , by the way turbo this is not directed at you but using some of your post as examples. Cheers
    Love your work turbo
     
  14. Punkcity

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    By the way chewtoy great name and excellent avatar , great humour. Thanks
    Cheers
     
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  15. chewtoy

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    Hey Punkcity, I'll look into these other post, thanks for your help, I'll take your advice and try to rethink my evaluation about the casino. I'm not doing anything illegal or steal but I always heard casino don't like when players in and i've heard people can get banned because of that so I would just like to avoid that by being discreet.
     
  16. chewtoy

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    Hey Turbo,

    I'll definitely follow your advice. And it is a very good and also funny idea to tell people I lost if they ask, casino's croupier and employee must know who win and who don't though. Punkcity's post is interesting and maybe I am over paranoiac but I prefer to play it safe and not risk being seen as a successful player and banned from casinos. I am not greedy anyway, making a few hundreds in a session is nice enough even 50 buck would be ok.
     
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  17. chewtoy

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    I understand why Turbo say that when you are playing and you know your strategy is a winner, placing a losing bet is placing a bet out of pure luck without your usual bet selection. Yes sometimes it will win, but it will loose often enough to have this lucky player look.

    I don't have as much experience as you do probably but I remember when I was living in Madrid, I was playing everyday at the same casino and was winning consistently with an old strategy I adapted from some ideas in the roulette's forums and that I wouldn't recommend now. It was based on probabilities and triggers (pattern breakers). I wasn't betting much (i would make around 100 in a session) but I did had the feeling from the floor's bosses and croupier staff that I had been noticed over the past days, and after having won for many days, it suddenly started to loose over and over again and in a row (same probabilities though). I might be just coincidence and bad luck or whatever but I do think it's strange. Maybe you are more used to bigger asian casinos and it is more easy to stay under the radar or other reasons but in the spanish casinos I know and other european's ones, having a doubt about how we are monitored, it doesn't cost me anything to take extra precaution.

    Agree with that, that is why hearing from other player's experiences can help. I was even thinking to try to be a croupier once, they were offering a free training for it here in france (but with a contract at the end, I didn't really want to work. just learn the rope, so I didn't do it). But it would be so useful to have some insight about how a casino manage all that so we can have actually real informations based on facts and not just paranoia.
     
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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    Not all the facts are known .A lot of pertinent information is missing


    Draw your own conclusions .
     
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  19. Punkcity

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    Yes information is king. I have never played in Europe so I cannot vouch for the the integrity of the casino there . But I would assume the smaller they are the tighter the margins they would operate under. Perhaps a shoutout to Europe based member of this forum to give information about good or bad casinos in France and Spain etc. But I would assume the bigger the casino = more popular the better.

    The losing streak you had is just variance catching up with you. I think there is a saying “everything works until it doesn’t “ and the quicker you recognise something is failing the quicker you stop or at least change to another action. Also you mentioned that after a few day winner the casino staff seemed to begin to notice you and then you started losing etc. Aside from possible variance maybe you began to make mistakes because you thought you are now under adverse scrutiny and your more worried about possible perceived actions they may or may not take.

    If you visit a band new cafe in your area the first time they take your order you are a stranger to them and may never come back after today. You start going there every day for coffee, they start to recognise you and start to pay more attention to you and possibly on day 8 , week 2 they may actually have your coffee ready as you arrive. The staff are just being friendly as now you are a regular familiar face. Same thing with casino staff ,they are human they are more inclined to be familiar if they are allowed to receive tips etc. The casino staff see thousands of people a week many never see at least have of those people ever again as they are casual/ tourist patrons. Yes you be aware while you play as we all should be and that will benefit you, but don’t let unfounded notions cloud your mind. Sometimes it advantageous to know staff .
    —Excellent that you can earn 50 or a €100 per day/ session that’s €25k plus a year a great earner. Hardly banning material for a larger casino. Many people don’t understand that € 50 adds up they think they should be earning £1000 plus . Don’t listen to them. Your amount you earn per Day will will be higher at year end than theirs as they usually crash out. After awhile start using you winning to increase your bankroll to enable you to use a higher betting unit when you are comfortable. Then you daily return should reflect that increase in betting unit. Then as an example your earning €100 p/day comfortable =€50k per year. Know the value of a one cent and you will understand the value of a dollar. A lot of people think they should make some huge amount of money from a pitifully under sized bankroll rather than earning a realistic amount per day that you say you earn. They are the reason the casino is wealthy .
    Cheers
     
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    Roulette is not only viewed by the casino as a game of chance, it IS nothing more than a game of chance. The days of biased roulette wheels are long, long past.

    Note: unless you have a laser tracking computer aided scam going on.

    Casinos will not molest you for winning at games of chance. Win, lose or draw as long as you give them roulette action they will roll out the appropriate carpet, torn and frayed if you are a small time player, lush and red if big.

    Follow up note: the roulette scam was legal but will probably never be repeated.

    In short: trying to stay under the radar while playing a game of chance is pointless. All you are doing is depriving yourself of potential comps, so if roulette is your game (it is not mine) - get that player card, don't be shy about identifying yourself and watch the croupier spin away!
     
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