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Blackjack SURRENDER option in AC

Discussion in 'Blackjack Forum' started by SCAN, Jan 31, 2015.

  1. SCAN

    SCAN New Member Founding Member

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    if you are a higher stakes BJ player visiting AC here is a tip. Although Atlantic Citygenerally does not have the Surrender option, you have to go to Pennsylvania for that, The Golden Nugget at the Marina offers it. There are a few catches

    1. It is only in high limits
    2. The player must request it when starting to play
    3. The other players must agree ( although I have no idea why they would not agree)


    FYI
     
  2. ddarko

    ddarko Member Founding Member

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    just out of interest how much IS "high limits" there please ?

    Thxs
     
  3. $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Active Member Founding Member

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    Either MIN $50 or $100 - but usually $100 !

    $...eE..$
     
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  4. ddarko

    ddarko Member Founding Member

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    That's two questions I've asked you on two different threads SCAN and on neither occasion
    have you answered me.

    Well third times a charm right ?

    Is there any reason you didn't answer either of my questions SCAN ?

    Thanking you in advance for your reply !!!!!
     
  5. Frank Scoblete

    Frank Scoblete Active Member Founding Member

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    The Golden Nugget does offer surrender and as soon as you ask for it the pit watches your play intensely. I love that casino but the casino manager, a guy named Michael, is paranoid. So if you are a card counter you are best not asking for surrender. The minimum in the high roller room is $100, although maybe there are $50 games at times.
     
  6. mightymike

    mightymike Active Member Founding Member

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    it's like casinos are only interested in suckers. i wish i could run a business that not only gave me an inherent advantage that guaranteed i would make money, but also allowed me to exclude any of the few who knew how to (legally) lower or overcome that advantage. easy money.
     
  7. Frank Scoblete

    Frank Scoblete Active Member Founding Member

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    MightyMike, the casinos are like restaurants that serve a buffet and suddenly the world's greatest eating champion arrives. The "all you can eat" buffet suddenly tosses the guy out. Sad but true.
     
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  8. bigplayer

    bigplayer New Member Founding Member

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    Except the eating champion has a teeny tiny spoon and very short arms. For any highly regulated public amusement to be able to pick and choose only the stupid, impaired, and addicted to deal cards to and exclude smart people warps the global nature of the game. There are public policy reasons why casinos should be forced to deal to everyone. There are enough ways for a public amusement to protect their edge without resorting to exclusions. Reduced pen, more realistic table limits, different rules, etc. The casino paranoia actually costs them money in the long run and Bill Zender has written about this extensively. They're looking for counters and missing the real financial threats right under their nose due to actual theft and procedure violations.
     
  9. Frank Scoblete

    Frank Scoblete Active Member Founding Member

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    I agree with Big Player but unfortunately the Innkeeper Law applies here (except in cases of discrimination based on gender, race or handicap).
     
  10. bigplayer

    bigplayer New Member Founding Member

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    Actually Frank, Innkeepers Laws would tend to side with the players as far as barring casino hotels from evicting patrons because of their skill at gambling in their entertainment venues. I know Bob Nersesian has a case going forward right now before the NV Supreme Court where a player was refused a room at Bally's during a medical convention because of a problem with him playing on his wife's card at Harrah's in Tunica. There have been other incidents of players being evicted from their casino hotel room while intoxicated because of their skilled blackjack play and then subsequently getting pulled over and charged with DWI when the player would otherwise have still been in their hotel room.

    I think what you're thinking of is the common-law right to refuse service which often directly contradicts existing laws already on the books in many states which specify that the public must be allowed access to amusements as long as they aren't creating a disturbance. So far, in most states, courts have sided with the casino industry, but there have been a few wins for the players. I know in my home state of Louisiana that Harrah's ran into this very issue and lost a lawsuit to a player who was 86'd. Existing Louisiana Law prohibited public amusements from kicking players out (they could still backoff players, just not kick them out of the casino). The next year the legislature remedied this and said any business with a gaming license can evict anyone for any reason at anytime as long as it didn't violate the various civil rights laws.
     

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