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Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Craps, Dec 18, 2018.

  1. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    I strongly disagree that if one were to be successful at Baccarat, he or she should looked at the mathematic side of the game. The game is simple in Math terms. Its 50/50 with a slight house edge. We as players should ignore this house edge. We have total control of bet selection and bet total and that's enough to off-set the house edge.

    When we engage the reality world while playing Baccarat, we might as well NOT play. Its fool proof for the House in math terms. WE CANNOT BEAT THE HOUSE. STOP THINKING OF A WAY OR SYSTEM TO BEAT THE HOUSE. WE WANT THE HOUSE TO BEAT ITSELF.

    Yes, the House often beat itself by way of irregularities that happen in the outcome of decisions in the game. We need to plan our work and then work our plan.

    First we need to believe we are in the Baccarat world that :

    1. Past events affect future outcomes. ( Its untrue in the real world BUT it helps in the Baccarat world )

    2. Things are overdue. ( Very helpful if you are a Hit=Run player )

    3. Be on the defensive side. ( A tentative stop/loss limit for the day )

    4. Be realistic in win goals. ( 25% of bankroll )

    5. A minimum bet total and a maximum bet total. ( usually 1-5 units unless using a progressive system )

    6. Play the minimum bet more often because they will inspire you to make vital bets. ( staying out too often will result indecision of making vital bets unless you use a 'trigger' )

    I once argue with a customer about using a 5 step Martingle (1,2,4,8,16). I told him that this progression will go inline with typical Human Being behavior with binary outcomes. Chase and Overdue. I told him the PROBABILITY of winning a bet is 31 out of 32 OR 96.8% but one loss will require 31 wins. That will put the ODDS at 50/50 or even with House Vig. He disagree. He said the probability is 50/50 for each hand and losing 5 hands is not 96.8%. Then I ask him IF its 50/50 and losing every hand in a row is far from impossible, then until today, WHY IS THERE NOT A 70 HAND SHOE WITH 70 BANKS OR 70 PLAYERS? That is infinity in math terms.

    People keep asking if dealers were to know everything, why work? Well, if one were to accept that the ONLY way to win is to "chip" into the Casino bankroll. I am a $25 player and I make $200 each time I play. My record is pretty consistent at 5.5 wins to 1 loss. My average win is $50 a session until today. That is why I am successful. My biggest loss is 31 units OR $775.

    There you see fellow Baccarat players. GREED is the one thing why people lose and NOT the house edge. They try to beat the House whereas I look for the House to beat itself situation. My win goals are realistic and my stop/loss is manageable.

    I dare anybody to disclose ihow they play Baccarat like how I disclose mine. I have seen NONE so far.
     
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  2. R19

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    You need to look around more. Many players have disclosed their approach in play to the nth infinite degree, and are well beyond the point of not caring less to write much about it. Very few have a hard IF THEN ABSOLUTE RIGID style. Stops and limits are very important for sure.

    Regarding the past affecting the future it is absolutely true in so many things. That's how trends develop in the financial markets...

    I argued today with a dealer and a player about how much dealers know about the games they deal. That skill level and knowledge is up to them.
     
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  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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  4. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Why post MOP ? Nobody will listen anyway .





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  5. Craps

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  6. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Very very few winners will go on a forum. Forums are full of losers. They are hungry for info. My method is not extraordinary BUT require faith. Many people want a get rich method and unfortunately there are none. The one good thing about my MOP is it gets you to develop a habit of winning.
     
  7. John Blerg

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    People get attacked by the elite goons and the naysayers and they do not want or need the rubbish from their time on the forum. Simply put.
     

  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Mr. Craps ,


    The Martingale included as in your MM selection ? I thought I did not read right .


    Patrick once mentioned the 31 system. Modified like 1 1 1 , 2 2 , 4 4 , 8 , 8 . He himself was not too keen about it either .



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  9. Sharptracker

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    It's a paradox then... because i can meet more winners than losers actually on the forums.

    Without tell anything about your system, could you develop this part? I'd like to know the mechanism and how it could affect.
     
  10. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There are more losers with tales of winnings on the forums .That is for sure .


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  11. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    The thread says The Baccarat world. It is a world full of fallacies. It is by no means the real world. If you keep reminding yourself about the reality world, YOU WILL NOT PLAY THIS GAME WELL. Good charting CAN be developed. There are no "bad" shoes. Try this> keep the score in 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s. Look at them horizontally and you definitely will find something trending somewhere.
     
  12. Craps

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    What ever MM you used, the odds will come back tp 50/50 with house edge. There is no one better than the other. The reason I like a 5 step Martingle is the probability of winning a series. Its not easy to lose 5 in a row after extensive charting NOT to mention a hit-and -run. Yes I do lose, but the damage is 31 units max. I am looking for an 8 unit win a day, so if the loss do occurred, it should be averaged out to 27 units. WHAT KIND OF MM DURING A LOSING DAY IS NOT AROUND 30 units? After I lose, I quit for the day and come back another day with PLAN B i.e. to win the normal 8 units and THEN 2 more units to partly recover the previous day loss. If PLAN B fails I will use PLAN C, then D then E. If everything goes down my total loss will be $20,000. So far nothing goes beyond PLAN B. I am pretty sure one day I will eventually lose the $20,000 BUT I would have won $50,000 by then.

    This is like a business to me.
     
  13. Nathan Detroit

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    Thanks for your candid reply . T be honest for me another look into the world of baccarat as I have also other casino tables in my tool box .




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  14. Nathan Detroit

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    Mr. Craps ,


    I never applied the 31 system . I had chosen the more simplified 1-2-2 instead which had served me well since 1996.



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  15. Craps

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    Like I say any MM will be 50/50 with house edge. The 1-2-2 system is a positive one. It's a grinding system. It does pay when you have multiple wins in a row.. Require a lot of patience where not many gamblers have. When a gambler is down, it's hard to sit out more than 3 hands. On the contrary when a gambler is up, he/she can sit out 5 or more hands. Its Human nature.
     
  16. Sharptracker

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    Ok so when you said "Past events affect future outcomes.", you were talking about randomness that repeats sequence from a shoe to another... i thought you were talking about relation with cards in the shoe...i'm disapointed :)

    In that case, we can also find plenty fake HG with roulette using same way...
     
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  17. R19

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    Sharp, if you aren't willing to get in the game in a real casino or at least on line live dealing with a shitload of hours to experience all sorts of everything under the Sun, you will never understand baccarat.

    A core part of my strategy is based on reoccurring elements.
     
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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    Sharp ,

    What are you waiting for .Get some literature on Baccarat and go to a decent on line casino for practice .


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  19. Sharptracker

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    Nathan, I only play if there is a way to grab an edge otherwise it's useless imo. Then i allready told that there's no baccarat table available around where i am and i wouldn't make too much miles to play... Only online way remains.
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You do not need to look for the edge in Baccarat --------- it is there for yours to be taken .


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