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Craps The Captain of craps is real

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by SCAN, Jun 2, 2015.

  1. DeMango

    DeMango Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    He should just listen to the brains in the family, his wife, and STFU and go away.
     
  2. Pressit

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    The last charter of Frank's latest book is titled Good-Bye. Here FS and Jerry "TheStickmam" are walking down the AC Boardwalk, when they come upon the old boarded up Claridge Hotel Casino. Frank then starts a to relive in his mind the pass 20 + year he spent in AC with the Captain and his cast of characters. At the end of this chapter Frank writes:

    The Crew is gone.
    Jimmy P. is gone.
    The Arm is gone.
    The Captain is gone.
    That world is gone.
    I have this to say to the Captain:
    I did it, Captain.
    I took it to them.
    I won!
    Thank you.
     
  3. Pressit

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    I think you are onto something, "Toss Influencer". I like it.
     
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  4. superrick

    superrick Active Member Founding Member

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    Well Pressit, I hate writing so I just going to cross post what I posted on a different board that Frank said he was done with. His last post was only this, "-30-", so here is the post!
    Now, now, now everybody has to make money some how, if Frank can do it by selling books more power to him. I t sure would beat going to work everyday doing some job that you hated. Unfortunately his audience is nothing but gamblers, so they will turn on him, because they can't win. If everything he wrote about worked the casinos would be out of business!

    Writers have turned gambling into a very lucrative business for themselves, there are always going to be guys like me that say tell me it isn't so. We want to see the proof that what they are writing about could happen, in the case of the Captain,.. Frank would have a hard time proving that the Captain's roll ever happened. There are to many things that just don't add up. Like when the roll happened there were 30 people standing around the table and nobody ever came forward to say they were there. Then you had is roll by roll count, telling his readers what happened at different points in the roll, but he wasn't writing the rolls down so, does he have a photographic memory?

    He made sure that he led you in a different direction when he wrote about his own roll that he said the Dominator was tracking when he had his 89 number roll. So did that set everybody up to believe that there was somebody tracking the Captains roll when there wasn't anybody tracking the Captains roll?

    I can't tell you how many times I've hear that was just a fifty roll when the shooter only had a 29 roll, because nobody was tracking the rolls. But Frank wrote that he was using chips to track the roll, but that can't explain how he could write about what happened at different points in the roll. Again does Frank have a photographic memory? I love the one paragraph in his book when he was writing about the Captains roll.

    Well Frank got what he wanted when he wrote about the Captain, what he also got was those that wanted to question the Captains roll, because Frank can't prove that it happened. Yes,... the Captain gave Frank all of the things he wanted! Along with the guys that wanted to question the Captains roll.

    And now Frank gives us -30-,..... With no answers to our questions!

    We all have our hero's, Some craps players need them to keep going back to the casinos when they are losing, they need that pie in the sky and Frank gives it to them with his character "The Captain". we should all thank Frank for giving all those that need their hero "The Captain" that keeps them going back to the casinos and losing, I know the casinos loves the Captain!

    I think that Frank is a good guy, that makes his money writing, something that most of us couldn't do, he is a real player that you can see in the different casinos around the country. While some think that we are cutting down Frank, that is not true, we are just questioning the "Captains" roll, and we have every right to do so. I could sit down and have some good conversations with Frank, if we didn't talk about the "Captain" and his roll. I'm sure that Frank will be back on the boards when his next book comes out, he has every right to do so, who know it might be a good one!

    Then there is always this, where would a lot of us be, if it wasn't for the writers in the world, we use what they write everyday without even thinking about it. I do a lot of research in some of our history about mining around Las Vegas, when I'm out prospecting for gold. Don't we all do the same thing when it comes to reading anything on gambling?
     
  5. Tabletop

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    Pressit, The term "Toss Influencer" is the only reasonable Words for what we Practice. One can spin the Dice with or without rotation. One can hit any spot on the Table with Precision(If they're Practiced enough) Yet, One CANNOT tell you with CERTAINTY that He/She can "Hold Off" the Hand Ending Seven Out for XYZ Number of Rolls. As I've said before..... The "Toss" can be Manipulated with GREAT success, but NOT the End Result of the "Influenced" Toss. Yes, you can gain a VERY slight Edge by the way that you aim & Toss the Dice, But it'll never Be "On Demand", & Furthermore, for the "Few" that CAN "Do it" Successfully...... The Very Marginal Influence has a Rate of Decay after XYZ number of Continuous (Solo) Tossing. My window of Opportunity when I'm "Dialed In" is Roughly 30 Tosses. Don't know why(I suspect lack of Continuous Focus, because of Old age), but it is what it is! The only thing a Skilled "Tosser" can do is release the Toss Damn Near the same way every time to the Same Spot on the Table. When the tosses start to go Errant(missing your Target, Dice Wobbling Mid-Air, etc) it's time to end the session.

    The egotistical part of me used to Try to fight the Inevitable(a succession of errant tosses that warrants me to end the session), However "These" days, I've become a little Wiser, which allows me to Visit the Cashier's Cage, THAT MUCH SOONER!! LOL
     
  6. Tabletop

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    Correction! Toss the Dice with or without Rotation. Spinning the dice without Rotation would be Defying Physics, Huh? LOL.
     
  7. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    I dont want to beat a dead horse....BUT a question for Frank S

    when the captain asked you not to divulge his name for your entire life. IT probably was expressed in one of 2 ways

    1-Captain: "Frank S please dont ever divulge my name even after I die because ........................................................"

    2- Captain-"Frank S please dont ever divulge my name even after I die(silence)"
    Frank S--"sure captain, but why is that"

    so the question is..........................why
     
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  8. Frank Scoblete

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    Don't know.
     
  9. LarryS

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    So that is where the believability drops off

    you want us to believe that this real person took you aside, asked you to do something for the rest of your life, and he didnt offer a reason for the request, and you agreed but never asked for a reason.

    even you must see the disconnect with reality.
     
  10. LarryS

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    I have vivid memories of the night The Horseradish King asked me to keep his identity quiet for the rest of his life and mine.
    I asked why, and he told me. He treated me like a human being and respectfully.
    This is why I dont buy Franks story on keeping his good friends name a secret.
     
  11. Frank Scoblete

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    Not really. I've done other work before and even now where I keep names private. Something as simple as, "I never want my name used," with me responding, "You got it," would be enough for me.

    If you were to contact me and use your real name and write, "I don't want my name used," I would honor your wishes.
     
  12. SCAN

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    Why is it so hard to believe a person could keep their word to another?

    In the circles I travel a man's word is paramount.



    When I discovered the Captain's identity I said I would never reveal it.

    I never will.
     
  13. superrick

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    Frank, if a guy is using a pen name why would he want anybody to use his right name?

    Nobody would be posting on these board if everybody had to use their real names, unless they were selling something like you.
     
  14. Mark V

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    The gamblers who I know who are successful keep a very low profile for a lot of reasons, and would never openly associate with 'a crew' cause that would easily be spotted by casino security and it only takes one crew member to get 86'ed and then you all are 86'ed!

    To pass though one million dollars though a casino is not all that hard, most persistent gamblers will do that in a year. To have a million dollar bankroll is also not that uncommon. Read the book Million Dollar Video Poker by Bob Dancer. He lays out the events over the period of 25 or so years that lead up to his million dollar win. I personally know other Craps players that have bankrolls in to the 3/4 million dollar range. If you are a persistent player, a smart player and very disciplined as to your play and not spending your wins on frivolous fancies, then it is not hard to bank up that level of money. One of the guys I know started with a 30k insurance settlement he got 18 years ago. He now lives in Las Vegas and has a half million dollar bankroll.

    When I talk to people who have worked in Las Vegas as a Craps dealer in the high end casinos it is not uncommon to see a several hundred thousands spread out on the craps tables as bets on a a busy Saturday night. Dealers will tell you that they have seen people win and lose millions of dollars in a single night, and that is not an uncommon.

    This why when Frank claims that The Captain had achieved one million dollars as if that put him in this legionary class of gambler ... well that is when I knew it was all bullshit.
     

  15. LarryS

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    I know that when someone asks me to do something that has no apparent reason....I always ask why. I am a curious sort.Its human nature.

    If someone asks me , ...after I die do not use my real name when talking about me........I would ask why.

    what the big deal captain? Are you taking yourself too seriously? Whats the reason. I will certainly honor your request but I need to know why. Otherwise I am just taking direction for no apparent reason.

    Yes its a gamblers code to honor such requests. But there is no gamblers code where you cant ask questions
     
  16. superrick

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    The truth of the matter is that Frank wrote that the Captain was well known to the casino pit managers. If that was true there would be nothing to hide. We don't want our names used because we are still playing, unlike the dead Captain! If I don't give the casinos a card, why would I want anybody to know who I am, that works for the casinos?

    Yes,. The gamblers code as far as the Captain goes is dead if his legend is to live on, some answers to some of the questions need to be answered. So his roll can be verified.
     
  17. Frank Scoblete

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    Gamblers' code? Never heard of it. Dominator, a gambler, stole almost 51 thousand dollars from me.

    A writer's code? That is the real deal.
     
  18. Frank Scoblete

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    Pen names? I've had mail returned when people have me use their pen names (not always) so I prefer real names when I send out books. You will note Superrick I never use your real name.

    My word is my bond as Scan says.
     
  19. LarryS

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    So are you saying that the reason that the captains secret is still being kept...its because he only hung out with writers?

    If he were to ask fellow gamblers to keep the secret .....his real name would be at the head of this thread.

    You cant have it both ways Mr S.......you cant claim that the captain is real and his name remains secret, yet tell us that gamblers have no honor and I imagine such poor morals and honor that they would just as easily steal tens of thousands from you.

    These dishonorable people are doing their best to keep the captains identity a secret because for THIS they all of a sudden possess honor.

    otherwise according to you....just writers would live by such a honor code.

    with your realistic view of the honor code of non writers....its amazing that some dumb ass dishonorable gambler, or friend of a gambler, or minor acquaintance of a gambler that knew the captain would let the name slip somewhere on the world wide net.

    Hell even a waitress that always served him coffee and apple pie and heard everyone call him "captain" might have seen his name on a credit card and gabbed about it to other gamblers she served.

    heck people go into witness protection and dont have such a successful code of silence surrounding them.
     
  20. appistappis

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    I am much more interested in the horseradish king than the captain.
     

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