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Craps The Captain of craps is real

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by SCAN, Jun 2, 2015.

  1. Frank Scoblete

    Frank Scoblete Active Member Founding Member

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    By the way Tabletop, I would be delighted to send you a copy of my new book. Just email me your address. If you are hesitant to give me your real name don't be. I can keep a secret.
     
  2. Tabletop

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    Thanks, Frank. I already purchased your Book from Barnes & Nobles a week ago. I actually Enjoyed the book. The Betting Strategy Part of the Book was Taken from another one of your Books, but still an Enjoyable Read. For the record Frank..... The only problem I have with GTC, is that you Guys taught Classes to People KNOWING that less than 2% of the Attendees would Excel.

    Now, I've heard that GTC had "Disclaimers", & "Money Back" Guarantees, But your Staff was Fully aware that MOST would fail. Take your Cousin(Tom Jennings) for Example. Now, Tom was Talented enough to win the U.S. Open Pool Tournament. However, that Kind of talent takes a "Special Breed", & so it is with Dice Influencing as well. Now, in my Youth I traveled all over the Country playing pool, but as I learned from all of the "Chicago Greats" such as Romberg(Deceased), Freddy the Beard,(Also Deceased) "Bugs", & "Tough Tony Brewer", They Always Dissuaded me from learning the game of Pool.

    Once they KNEW that they could Not get rid of me...... The Learning Process Began. They also knew that I possessed that Rare Quality that it took to Excel. KILLER INSTINCT. I wanted to win, & it didn't matter if I was Playing my Grand Mother. My desire to win was THAT strong. Now, this Dogged Determination has transitioned over to Dice Influencing. Only problem is that Dice Influencing is More "Subjective" than Playing Pool.


    If I play "Jam Up" Pool, I'll get the Money. NOT so, with dice influencing. You can toss Perfectly(You know better than I) & STILL end up a Loser. Such is Life. One thing that I CAN thank you for is your Solid

    advice about "How Many" times to handle the Dice during a Session/s. Less is ALWAYS better, because (In my Opinion) Optimum Focus(Solo shooting) starts to Diminish CONSIDERABLY after XYZ number of Tosses. Everyone has a "Sloppy" Point, & There's just no escaping it, NO MATTER HOW TALENTED YOU ARE.


    The Five Count: Everyone says it's a Piece of Shit. I don't. Why? Well, I think That any System, Strategy, etc that Advocates Keeping your Money off of the Table is a Good thing. Maybe the 7 count is Better, with the "Don't Play Craps Count" being even Better. After all, we Are playing a Negative Expectation Game, & Unfortunately The Very Best Dice influencers Barely put a "Pubic Hair" of a Dent into The House Edge.


    Possessing your OWN table, Instead of a "Practice Rig" Solves a "Multitude" of Mysteries Concerning Dice Influencing. As you've stated in your writings on Many Occasions: Some things You must Prove to Yourself. Again..... Good Luck, Realize your "True" Friends(Rare are the Unconditional ones) & Safe Traveling with your "Ball Game Exploits". Didn't mean to "Rub" You the wrong way with my "Dice Challenge, but That's just my competitive Nature.
     
  3. LarryS

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    Possessing your own table helps? Look at all the variables that change when you go to a casino table.
    The depth of the table may be different, making you start from a lower or higher point as you lean down. The spring of the felt may be different. The thickness of the carpeting may be different than you are used to at home, or you may be standing on a hardwood or tile floor at home. Variations in the back wall. I am told even if balanced..there are different weights of dice. Then when u add human error in throwing the dice perfectly...it seems rather far fetched to think a table at home will produce consistent results through numerous casinos.
     
  4. Tabletop

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    Pardon, LarryS, I should have elaborated More. In reference to the Home Table, what I meant is this: You can toss From ONLY two feet away(Or at any Distance) to check the Validity, & Effectiveness of Dice influencing. You are 100% correct. Your results at Home MAY be TOTALLY different from what you get in a Casino. No arguments There. Now, I have two different Bounce Characteristics on my Home Table. I have a "Neutral" Bounce on One End, & a "Bouncy" Bounce on the Other end. I have tossed the dice from 2,3,4,5,6,7, & the more conventional Positions of 8-10 feet away. The "Influence" that Most DI's think they are Exhibiting over the dice, simply isn't there. That is all that I am saying. Now, if a Practiced DI cannot toss the dice to the Back Wall Perfectly from 2-3 feet away...... There's SERIOUS Problem with His/Her Toss Mechanics. The tests that I have Conducted from ONLY 2-3 feet away would make MOST DI's change the way that they Bet. There's just NOT a lot of Influence going on. PERIOD! You see, LarryS, a lot of DI's practice on "Rigs, & Practice Rigs don't tell the whole Story. Sure, you can develop a nice toss from a Rig, but when it comes to "Experimentation' to test the "Level" of Influence(Or Lack Thereof), You come up "Short" on a Practice Rig.

    Listen, I'm one of the Most Dedicated Practictioners of the Craft, but I know From experimentation That "Influence"(If any at all) is only a little North of a "Pubic Hair". I actually Fancy Myself Moreso of a "Toss Influencer" than a "Dice Influencer". A good Toss Influencer has Excellent Rotational control, & Pin Point accuracy at hitting a Spot/s on the Layout.


    Really don't know what the Heck a Dice Influencer is Because those "beautiful" looking "Mid-Air" Tosses are STILL subject to Randomness once those dice make the INITIAL contact with the Table. We all try SOMETHING to make us "Feel" that we are In control, but the Reality is that You are playing a Negative Expectation Game, & if you think that a "Rehearsed" Toss will "Get You there", You could Be "Mightily Mistaken". Certainly Nothing wrong with trying Though. LOL.
     
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  5. LarryS

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    Ok Tabletop, that clears that up. Thanks.
    I am on the fence regarding your opinion that gtc was teaching classes that 1 out of 50 might be able to duplicate consistantly .

    I am always with the "buyer beware" opinion. Since the internet, people can do due diligence, go online, read about it, talk to people, and use COMMON SENSE.
    Yes there are people in the world that should have researched "time shares" better. They should have researched "Dice influencing" better. There are people buying penny sticks on the say so of some boiler room phone caller and never research the stock themselves.

    So to me all those people spending a thousand dollars or more on those seminars fall under the heading of "there is an idiot born every minute"

    John Patrick sells his snake oil, others sell their gambling snake oil and most of these ":buy my methods" are transparent enough to be seen through by the average person who wants to see through it.

    But alas in every con, there is a con man and a willing participant. Just ask the Bernie Madoff investors who were getting too good to be true returns. Like I said...willing participants.
     
  6. $nakeEye$

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    TableTop -

    Suffice it to say - I - am MORE than quite impressed with your latest writing style -

    IF I may - I would like to add the following to EVERYONE's betting strategy -

    There are 3 Seven out dice sets :

    1. the NO 4/10 which is the 4/3 and 5/2 on the faces
    2. the NO 5/9 which is the 6/1 and 5/2 on the faces
    3. the NO 6/8 which is the 6/1 and 4/3 on the faces

    EVERYONE knows that the " 7 " is THE MOST prevalent number to be rolled in craps -

    YET - MOST - do NOT utilize this " mathematical formula " to its potential -

    Referencing the above table - WHAT is wrong with " laying across " for say $30 a box number -

    And trying to intentionally " 7-out " -

    You WIN on ALL - but - LOSE only on each box number that you hit !

    Another different concept !

    $...eE..$
     
  7. Pressit

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    Not only was the Captain the oldest, he was the fastest.

    The Captain 147 rolls in 2 hrs 18 minutes Atlantic City while sitting, casino not ID 2005

    Stanley Fujitake 118 rolls 3hrs. 6 minutes California hotel-casino LV 1989

    Pat Demauro 154 rolls 4 hrs. 18 minutes The Borgata Hotel Casino and Spa. AC 2009
     
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  8. Frank Scoblete

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    I wrote about the time and why it was faster than DeMauro (they had 14 people at the table with three of them who had never played and were being schooled). Anyway, nothing I can say can change the feelings of those who think the story is BS.
     
  9. Tabletop

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    Frank, Give it a Rest. Why, oh WHY do you keep Responding? You stated that you'd Take the "Beautiful" AP's advice. What the Hell Happened to THAT? I must admit that you have a VERY kind Heart. Sending "Free" books to people that Continually Trash you. I respect you for that. However, I'm CERTAIN that you've read my "Jumbled" Post on other Forums, so You KNOW the Route that'd I'd have Taken.

    What route is That, You Say? Fuck Them! (Excuse my Profaneness). You are at a point wherein you should be Traveling & Enjoying Life(Who am I to say that you are not), not Trying to defend Yourself & your honor on a Friggin Craps Forum. No matter what you say, or write......It'll be the same end result: The captain was a Ingenious Marketing Plan to sell GTC & Books. Let it go Frank, & enjoy your Retirement. You stated that you spent the Better Part of 25 Years in Casinos. Shouldn't that warrant a Break from Everything Craps Related? Listen..... I spent almost 10 years on the Road Hustling pool. I haven't picked up a Pool cue in over 10 years. I ABSOLUTELY loved traveling the Roads, sleeping Late, staying up all night, & Depending on ME (My skill) for my ONLY source of Income. I met my wife & that was the end of my days on the Road. Sometimes(Even though it's Painful) You have to TOTALLY detach from "Things" that you truly enjoy. Frank, maybe it's time for a break from all of this Nonsense. Best Wishes!
     
  10. Pressit

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    Frank

    Not saying it is BS, I was just making note of the times each individual took.

    Now I am about halfway through your new book, and I think you could have made a few things clearer. In the very begging regarding how you and your wife traveled to AC to learn what casino gambling and craps were all about and while there you stayed at the Claridge. It was the Claridge where the Captain and his crew called home. But for the person who was so instrumental in your career as a craps author, you totally left out how that meeting came about, what came out of that meeting, who was present etc..

    Also, I was very interested in learning the Captain had served in the Army during WWII. From your book, "He was in the Army Air Corps in World War II. He was shot down behind enemy lines in the Philippines and had to survive for more than a week hiding from the Japanese soldiers who scoured the jungle looking for Americans who had been shot down; he caught malaria to boot. He saw the Enola Gay land at his army air base. He served in Japan during the occupation." What I forgot to include you write the Captain also carried a injured comrade for that time period until they were rescued, unfortunately that person died, and had been dead.

    Now you never wrote what the Captain was doing aboard that plane, pilot, crew member, with other troops? What kind of plane was it? What was the mission? Where did it go down? How many service members were onboard this aircraft? How many crew members died, where any captured. Who rescued the Captain, and how did that take place? For his valor surly the Captain would had received some sort of commendation. A Bronze Star, something, but nothing is mentioned. How long did the malaria last, where was he treated. Where in Japan did he serve during the occupation? You should have spent as much time covering the Captain's heroic actions as you did detailing his 147 roll.

    The reason a number of people believe the Captain is a factious person is because when you had the chance to personalize him, make him seem like a real person, you drop this curtain of secrecy around him. Even when he makes his historic roll, in AC 2005, you don't name the casino where this event took place. You labeled it, "Queen of Resorts", why not just name it? The casino didn't want the publicity? Failing to do so only causes doubt...more doubt. As far as providing the Captain's real name, to me it is not a deal breaker, if the other bio info you provided in your book is correct anyone seriously interested in learning the Captain's real name can do so if they think it is necessary.

    I have not finished your book, so I am not sure how you cover the Captain's death. Did you attend the funeral, did any of his crew, did Dom or Sharpshooter, did he receive a military funeral?
     
  11. $nakeEye$

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    Tabletop -

    MY GOD, MAN -

    WHAT have we created here ? -

    NOT only are you breaking up your thoughts into readable sentences / paragraphs -

    BUT -

    YOU also have a " Wealth " of information that YOU are conveying -

    NOW that WE can follow what YOU are saying !

    WELL DONE ! -

    KEEP UP the Good Work !

    Best Regards,

    $...eE..$
     
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  12. Frank Scoblete

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    Good post Pressit. Tabletop, you (and my wife) are right about moving away. I guess I suckered myself in when I decided to do an article about message boards for Casino Player and...you know I got somewhat hooked.
     
  13. TSC

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    Finally, someone with an Advantage Play. I only see this used by a handful of people that are so called d.I's

    MR Parr HRR doesn't use it unless I make a Red bet for him. I tell him throw 3 sevens. $1 tints to $5 which turns to $25 which turns to $125 and down. I tell him it's the quickest way to take zero risk Bc I made the bet and convert 3 consecutive sevens.

    Meanwhile as SE says lay $30 ea across all box numbers and shoot for the seven. $15,20,25,25,20,15 it wins minus -$6 vigorish. That's $120-$6 for a $114 score.

    I can guarantee you Captain and 5 horseman never thought of or made this advantage play let alone use it. And they had the greatest parr shooters dom and Jerry. I mean, look at what they could of done on CO rolls. They would have a 25% chance of losing $31 and a 20% of winning $114 net profit on CO rolls.

    What's the math on that. You would have to figure it would take around 4 CO losses to negate 1 CO7.

    I know a lady friend here in town pretty damn good on tossing those CO7.

    Yes you'll have your slumps with NOT tossing a seven. This is why it is so important to capitalize on the win streak of hitting these sevens. To even double the wager after 2 wins of $114. Your up $128 and if double up now
     
  14. Frank Scoblete

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    -30-
     
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  15. TSC

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    What's 30? Explain how u get 30?
     
  16. superrick

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    Franks Epitaph on the Craps Boards

    He came here to conquer, but he failed to do so, so his only parting words were -30-!

    What he forgot about the craps boards was they are made up by many who do not think the same way so it's hard to conquer any craps boards.

    Sorry to see him go he lived a very short life on these boards, may he rest in peace. I'm sure that he will be resurrected the next time he has a new book that is coming out!

    By the way on a side note I'm looking forward to reading his book, the Confessions of a Wayward Catholic it looks like a funny book.

    We can all learn something from this, there is no way that you can convince everybody on a craps board about anything! Your always going to have members that disagree with you, so get over it!
     
  17. DeMango

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    "Sorry to see him go he lived a very short life on these boards, may he rest in peace. I'm sure that he will be resurrected the next time he has a new book that is coming out!"

    It's all about the money. It always has been. How he cries when Dom alledgedly takes some. No matter who he disparages, no matter who he kicks to the curb, no matter how tall the tale, no matter how we have to rewrite dice history, it's all about the money. Once you figure that out, you will have the same opinion as me of this low life. So Rick, you are, as I have said before, a prophet. There will be another book.
     
  18. LarryS

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    Did Frank give a good-bye post? I missed it
     
  19. superrick

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    Larry,...His good-bye was something that most would not get. It went like this -30-, which means the end.
     
  20. LarryS

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    Thanks for the explanation.
    There is a technique to look for in Human Resources when counseling or critiquing and employee....that the employee on defense often uses.
    Its called "fogging". It goes something like this
    Supervisor:"you have arrived late 6 out of the last 30 days and that is unacceptable"
    Employee: " Joey takes long lunch breaks, so what are you gonna do about him"

    It got to the point where Mr S had nothing left to say except to fog the issue by going off on tangents regarding the use of the word "womanizing".
    After about the 6th time....it just became obvious he was fogging the issue.

    Once he was called out for that....what did he have left???? I guess -30-
     
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