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Craps The " EXPOSE' " on Little Joe / Dr. Z / AND ALL Off Axis Tosses !

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by $nakeEye$, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Active Member Founding Member

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    In light of the " Underhanded Tactics " utilized by Harley, SuperRick and associates -

    I will use THIS thread to ascertain WHAT - IF - ANY difference - exists between -

    On-Axis tosses AND Off- Axis tosses ! -

    AND - IF - I may interject a thing or 20 -

    THIS is THE discussion that ALL will want to watch !

    $...eE..$

    " Ciao ! And That is MY opinion " !
     
  2. DeMango

    DeMango Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    I'm waiting. Where is the expose' ?
     
  3. $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Active Member Founding Member

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    DeMango -

    Thanks for the reminder ! -

    Like I ALMOST forgot ! - the below is a copy of post made by me on Heavy's forum ! -


    Howard -

    THANK YOU for clarifying your NON -association with that group -

    One can ONLY wonder WHY -

    People who constantly harp that ON -AXIS techniques -

    Do NOT work -

    Are scheduling a majority of their segment in JUST THAT venue -

    As an " outsider " - I can only surmise that THEY fully realize that their OFF-AXIS -

    OVER-PRICED techniques are NOTHING MORE than " RANDOM ROLLING " -

    ALL who I have spoken to who have invested in THIER OFF - AXIS programs are of the same persuasion -

    One is far better off to just " chuck 'em " and use the $800 as a Bank Roll than to piddle it away on useless techniques -

    One has to wonder - WHO - are their " EXPERTS " -

    As NO ONE in that camp believes that ON-AXIS tossing works !

    Perhaps I am missing something somewhere !

    Do the videos that were posted by " THEM " showing that the dice when they strike the tabletop and the backwall are randomized -

    OR - is THAT randomization ONLY in effect when the dice are thrown ON-AXIS -

    AND when OFF-AXIS - that randomness is inconsequential or non-existent ?

    I realize that the above words are more than 1 syllable AND as such -

    Might NOT be readable by the majority of the " UNNAMED ONES " - particularly those whose reading / writing skills remain at the 3rd grade level -

    Especially when they have attained the physical age of 65+ -

    Amazing how something like THAT can happen -

    Although I " do not write in paragraphs " -

    What I say is legible and succinct and veritable !

    $...eE..$
     
  4. Harley

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    Will the real SnakeEyes please stand up ?! Here SnakeEyes post about classes he has taken from
    both DiceCoach (Lives in Vegas) and Steve "Heavy" Haltom (Lives in a state without casinos)

    Reply #73 from http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/superrick-vs-the-madprofessor.7809/page-4

    Reply #188 from http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/superrick-vs-the-madprofessor.7809/page-10
     
  5. $nakeEye$

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  6. Harley

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    SnakeEyes - please let us know how Howard Rock n' Roller responds to your post on that other board ....

    Or do you even realise that Howard still teaches Dr. Z off-axis, Magic off-axis and my off-axis Corner Toss ?!!
     
  7. Frank Scoblete

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    Snake-eyes, I saw your throw when we played together in AC and it was damn good. If you received good instruction and that instruction has helped you do what you (beautifully) then do that is great.
     
  8. Harley

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    SnakeEyes ? still waiting ?
     
  9. DeMango

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    Amen! I have no dog in this fight as in most fights here. Just want to know how to throw an on axis off axis throw. Or is that better said on off axis? Assuming there is no talent is a given, I'm just looking for the theory.
     
  10. $nakeEye$

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    I was going to be a " nice guy " and let this post slide into non-existence -

    However - in light of 2 actions by Harley - I will NOT allow that to happen -

    1st Harley along with DeMango is egging me on to continue my rant -

    And Secondly - Harley - has to resort to posting a photo which he hijacked from my wife's Face Book page and posted it on the internet -

    Harley -

    You might think that you are " cute " in your juvenile antics and trying to get a " rise " out of me -

    Well - you have another " think " coming your way -

    De Mango et al -

    The premise behind the " On-Axis " toss is well known and documented -

    By Golden Touch, PARR, and ALL others who took the PARR concept and tweaked it to their individual liking -

    And THEN - Walt Diem - The SAGE - had an enlightening moment or three - where he discovered that HE had the " HOLY GRAIL " answer to the problems of short DI / DC rolls of the dice -

    WHAT exactly WAS / IS - This Unique Discovery ? -

    WELL guess WHAT -

    INSTEAD OF SETTING AGAINST THE 7'S -AND ROLLING IN A CONTROLLED MANNER -

    SET FOR THE 7'S - AND ATTEMPT TO - KNOCK THE DICE - " OFF- AXIS " DURING THE THROW -

    And THEN - the " competition began " as to WHO could come up with / invent / patent the MOST ASSININE THROW imaginable -

    WELL - when JP retired from PARR - Little Joe and Company - purchased his email client list and instead of hawking ON-AXIS dice lessons -

    OFF-AXIS throws were hawked -

    AND NO videos were produced / NO documentation was provided / and NO follow-up support was provided to those who struggled with this less than stellar concept of " Dice Control " -

    The ENTIRE PREMISE behind ALL this " OFF - AXIS " shooting is simply the following -

    Set the dice to an ALL 7 Dice Set - Throw the dice with enough energy / velocity to knock them " OFF-AXIS " -

    And you just might be " Lucky " and make it past the Captain's " 5 - Count " -

    AND - YOU Get ALL THIS BS for a MERE $ 895.-

    AFTER signing a " Non -Disclosure Agreement " - NDA - that YOU will NOT disclose THEIR BS to OTHER Suckers !

    Yo- Harley -

    Where do I sign up for YOUR BS -

    Next episode brings us to " Patented Shots " -

    Which are NOT patented BTW -

    Like the " Harley, ' Corner Shot ' - the ' Helicopter Shot ' and others !

    Way to go, Harley -

    I hope YOU are satisfied that YOU stirred THIS pot !


    $...eE..$
     
  11. $nakeEye$

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    For the record - AND - as a personal courtesy and Professional Favor to SuperRick -

    I am withholding further discourse on THIS subject at the sole request of Rick -

    He informed me that Harley has been a ' bad boy ' and has been sent to the ' closet ' / ' corner ' / for a few days -

    A " Time-Out " moment or three -


    And therefore is ' incommunicado ' at the present -

    So - for - YOU Rick -

    I will curtail any further responses until we are all on " terra firma " !


    $...eE..$
     
  12. Pressit

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    LOL. I remember years ago that Bob & Joe of little joe would never make a a DVD of the Little Joe toss
     
  13. Pressit

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    LOL. I remember years ago that Bob & Joe of Little Joe fame when pleaded with to make a a DVD of the Little Joe toss, no matter how many people hounded them to do so they stayed true to their word and never made a DVD. So I said the hell with it and finally took their first AC class, and all the hype is nothing in compare to the LJ results. Back then it was less then $500, so I am not sure what it is today. But let's say it is $1000, which it isn't, it still money well worth spent. Same can be said for the late Walt Diem's Dice Magic. But the DM ship has sailed, however LJ lives on. You may think you know what it's all about but you are just grasping as straws in a tornado.
     
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  14. DeMango

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    Imus Pressit has spoken. Write your checks today. Buy your Beemers tomorrow!
     
  15. $nakeEye$

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    Obviously / Quite Apparently - NO VIDEO was produced -

    WHO - in their RIGHT mind -

    Would spend $895.- to " LEARN " a shot that was NOTHING MORE than " ROLLING THE DICE DOWN THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE TABLE " -

    Most Certainly - " THAT " particular technique has " CONTROL " - o_O

    AND for the MERE sum of $895.-

    Classes are being held in AC this June -

    There WILL BE " PLENTY OF ROOM " -

    As - past history dictates -

    NOT MANY SUCKERS - TAKERS - RUSH to THIS " NO-BRAINS " Non-Sense !

    Thank YOU SuperRick and Harley for the ' insider info ' ! ;)

    $...eE..$
     
  16. Pressit

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    Weren't you a PO for 15 years? Didn't they teach you about hearsay information. It is very much like gossip, opinions, speculation, wives tales, unreliability, no direct knowledge. I do find it funny you are quoting SR and Harley...Harley? Really that is pretty amazing! Take the class, tell them Pressit sent you. You might be surprised what you'll learn. $895 to a big time craps player is carrying around/tip money, you probably have thrown that much money in with the dirty clothes. But if your game is aces, and you are taking money off the tables consistently you don't need it. Tip, should you someday ever see some oddball confused looking guy rolling dice down the table, be sure to load up on the Dark Side you'll make a killing.
     
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  17. $nakeEye$

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    There is NO need for me to take the class -

    Rick and Harley have given me ALL the insider info via text messages and emails !

    Harley has MY email address and Rick has MY phone number !

    Actually - it was HARLEY - who contributed the majority of the information -

    Rick just filled in the " missing links / blanks ".

    Thanks AGAIN - Rick and Harley !

    Sorry Little Joe for any controversy here - MY name is NOT any NDA !


    $...eE..$
     
  18. DeMango

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    So what is it Snake? Fighting on one thread, but here all best buds sharing info?
     
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  19. $nakeEye$

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    Without getting too much in depth - as I was sworn to secrecy -

    There IS dissention ' Amongst the Troops " -

    I am NOT " Naming Names " mind you -

    However, the inside info that I was given by " them " -

    " SR " and " H " -

    Does / WILL not bode well with the " Little Joe " camp -

    THAT is ALL I will SAY regards THAT !

    And THAT is " MY FINAL ANSWER " !

    $...eE..$
     
  20. superrick

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    The the the the snake,.... all you you do do do is cut cut everybody down down down!!!! They are are all personal attacks and have have nothing nnnothing to do with the the the the the the the the the the discussion!!!!!!!!
     

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