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Baccarat The Final Solution

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

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    Hi, As required by u I have sent 2 shoes ,kindly play those & explain in simple words,
     
  2. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    I can not teach you skills and recognise sequences - I recommend the start of this topic and Sputnik's Notes on Baccarat.
    Have no time write everything twice, sorry.

    W L W W W W W W W

    L W L W W W LW W

    Shoe 1 & 2

    1. B
    2. B
    3. B
    4. B
    5. B
    6. B
    7. P
    8. P W
    9. B
    10. B
    11. B
    12. P
    13. P
    14. B
    15. P L
    16. B
    17. B
    18. B
    19. P
    20. P W
    21. B
    22. B
    23. B
    24. B
    25. P
    26. B
    27. B
    28. P
    29. P W
    30. P
    31. B
    32. P
    33. B
    34. B
    35. B
    36. P
    37. P W
    38. B
    39. B
    40. P
    41. B
    42. B
    43. P
    44. P W
    45. B
    46. P
    47. B
    48. B
    49. B
    50. P
    51. P W
    52. P
    53. B
    54. P
    55. P
    56. B
    57. B W
    58. B
    59. P
    60. P
    61. B
    62. B
    63. P
    64. P W

    2nd shoe
    1. B
    2. P
    3. B
    4. P
    5. B
    6. B
    7. B
    8. B
    9. P
    10. B L
    11. P
    12. B
    13. P
    14. P
    15. B
    16. B W
    17. B
    18. P
    19. P
    20. B
    21. P
    22. P
    23. B
    24. P L
    25. P
    26. B
    27. B
    28. B
    29. B
    30. P
    31. P W
    32. P
    33. B
    34. P
    35. P
    36. B
    37. B W
    38. P
    39. B
    40. B
    41. B
    42. B
    43. P
    44. P W
    45. P
    46. B
    47. B
    48. B
    49. P
    50. B
    51. B
    52. P
    53. P
    54. B
    55. P L
    56. P W
    57. B
    58. B
    59. P
    60. P W
    61. P
    62. P
    63. B
    64. B
    65. B
    66. B
     
  3. BIG EZ

    BIG EZ New Member

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    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    1 L x
    2
    1
    2
    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2 W w
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1 L x
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    2
    1 L ???????
    1 L ???????
    1
    2
    1 L x
    1 W x
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1 L x
    1 L x
    2 L x
    1
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2
    1
    2 L x
    2 L x
    1 ?
    2
    1
    1
    2
    2 W w
    1
    1
    this is what I got for the first 100. your results are in caps
    mine are lower case. can you explain why you made selection by the question marks(????)
    are you playing off of the W you just had where its 11
    and if you are, lower on in the sequence with the single question mark (?)
    wouldnt that be a selection that losses if you are using the above where you made
    the previous selection?
    and another 100 just incase PLAYING BOTH SEQUENCES
    1
    1
    2
    1 L x
    1
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    2 W w
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    1
    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    2
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L x
    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L x
    1 W w
    2
    2
    1
    2 L x
    2 W w
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    1
    2
    2
    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L x
    1 W w
    1
    2
    2 W w
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1
    2
    2
    1
    1 W w
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    1 L x
    2 L x
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 [x]
    1 [w]
    2
    2
    2
    this is what I got for the second set. I had 2 extra selections in brackets []
    that you did not have ??


    1. B
    2. B
    3. B
    4. B
    5. B
    6. B
    7. P
    8. P W w
    9. B
    10. B
    11. B
    12. P
    13. P
    14. B
    15. P L x
    16. B
    17. B
    18. B
    19. P
    20. P W w
    21. B
    22. B
    23. B
    24. B
    25. P
    26. B
    27. B
    28. P
    29. P W w
    30. P
    31. B
    32. P
    33. B
    34. B
    35. B
    36. P
    37. P W w
    38. B
    39. B
    40. P
    41. B
    42. B
    43. P
    44. P W w
    45. B
    46. P
    47. B
    48. B
    49. B
    50. P
    51. P W w
    52. P
    53. B
    54. P
    55. P
    56. B
    57. B W w
    58. B
    59. P
    60. P
    61. B
    62. B
    63. P
    64. P W w
    I match the above shoe same selections as yours
    2nd shoe
    1. B
    2. P
    3. B
    4. P
    5. B
    6. B
    7. B
    8. B
    9. P
    10. B L x
    11. P
    12. B
    13. P
    14. P
    15. B
    16. B W w
    17. B
    18. P
    19. P
    20. B
    21. P
    22. P
    23. B
    24. P L x
    25. P
    26. B
    27. B
    28. B
    29. B
    30. P
    31. P W w
    32. P
    33. B
    34. P
    35. P
    36. B
    37. B W w
    38. P
    39. B
    40. B
    41. B
    42. B
    43. P
    44. P W w
    45. P
    46. B
    47. B
    48. B
    49. P
    50. B
    51. B
    52. P
    53. P [w]
    54. B
    55. P L
    56. P W
    57. B
    58. B [w]
    59. P
    60. P W
    61. P
    62. P
    63. B
    64. B
    65. B
    66. B
    In this shoe after the selection at hand 44 we have a little bit
    different end to the shoe my selection in brackets[]
     
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  4. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    Tomorrow will I use your samples above and try to explain. cheers
     
  5. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

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    Hi, I know u are a busy man, & don't have have time or patience to reply simple questions, But Mr Spuntik,,there is a famous saying, "IT IS BETTER TO BE IGNORANT ONCE, THAN REMAIN A FOOL THROUGH OUT LIFE"Anyway thanks
     
  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    Hope This Help

    Shoe 1

    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1 W = One serie follow by another serie and we have 331
    1
    1
    1
    2

    - - -

    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    1 L = No serie and we get a single and wait to see what pattern we get 211
    2
    1
    2
    1
    2
    1

    - - -

    2
    2
    1
    1 W = One serie follow by another serie and we have 231
    1
    2

    - - -

    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2 W = One serie follow by another serie and we have 323
    1
    1
    1

    - - -

    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1 L = No serie and we get a single and wait to see what pattern we get 311

    - - -

    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1 W = One serie follow by another serie and we have 321
    2

    - - -

    1
    1
    1
    2
    1 L
    1 L = We had 311 in the past and bet that there will be repeat of 311 and we lose and get 313
    1

    - - -

    2
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    1
    2
    1 L
    1 L
    L = We bet for repeat of 311 & 313 and we lose and get 312 all show once each no bias.

    - - - Two option, start over with patterns of three or higher or just aim for series of two patterns

    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2
    1
    1
    1
    2
    2
    1
    2 L
    2 L = We bet for 211 that has a show in the past, an repeat and we lose and get 212
    1
    2
    1
    1
    2
    2 W = One serie follow by another serie and we have 222
    1
    1

    - - -

    Shoe 2

    1
    1
    2
    1 L = No series and we stop and get 213
    1
    1

    2
    1
    1
    2
    2 W = we get a series after series 223
    1
    1
    1
    1

    2
    2
    2
    1
    1 W = we get a series after series 331
    1
    1
    2

    1
    2
    2
    1
    1 W = we get a series after series 222
    2
    2

    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L = We get a single and stop until next time to get a repeat 311

    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L
    1 W = We get a repeat of 311 above with 311 the shoe has a bias in one direction

    2
    2
    1
    2 L
    2 W = We get a repeat of 213 above ´with 213 the shoe has a bias in one direction
    2
    2
    2
    2

    - - -

    1
    2
    2
    1
    1 W = We get a series after a series pattern 232
    1
    2
    2

    - - -

    1
    2
    1
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L
    W = We get a repeat of 311 above with 311 the shoe has a bias in one direction
    1
    1
    2
    2 W = series follow by series pattern 232
    2
    2
    2
    1
    1

    2
    2
    1
    1 W = series follow by series pattern 231
    1
    2

    - - -

    1
    1
    2
    1 L
    L = we have 213 in the past and got 211 and lose two bets to cath one repeat/bias.
    2
    2
    2
    2
    2
    1
    2 L
    1 W = We get a repeat of 311 above with 311 the shoe has a bias in one direction
    2
    2
    2
     
  7. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    @Ravinder...

    Is not my attention to be ignorant - If you want it on a Silver Plate with step by step instructions you can buy a baccarat book.
    I assume there is a certain level of skills and understanding from punters who read my topics.

    Cheers
     
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  8. cps10

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    Sputnik,

    You are a gentleman and a scholar. I was getting confused with this is where the starting point(s) were. I understand that at the beginning of the shoe, you are looking for a series and then looking to repeat that series. After that, was wondering if you waited for a 31 then follow what the next 31 is. For instance, if a 312 showed last, when another 31 comes, do you bet on the 2 to come, or a series? That's where I was hung up.

    Thank you for the updated response.
     
  9. cps10

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    Sputnik,

    This all makes tons of sense now. Thank you. I also was confused by 311 & 313. So let's say you have:

    BBBBB P B

    At first, you are looking to get the 311, which would be betting P to get the 311 but a B shows, so betting to get BBB or a 313 would be B. That's why there are two bets in this particular series. Thank you for the clarification.
     
  10. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    cps 10 - look at the swings of the present bias
    Explain this because you got it :)

    Here is the magic

    LLWWWWWLWWLWLWWLLWLLWLLWWLLLWWWLLLWWWWLLWLWLLL

    311 L = We have 311
    211 L = We have 211
    331 W
    322 W
    331 W
    321 W
    332 W
    311 LW = Bias 311 repeat
    331 W
    211 LW = Bias 211 repeat
    311 LW = Bias 311 repeat
    321 W
    313 LL = No repeat and we have 313 & 311
    331 W
    313 LLW = Bias 313 repeat
    313 LLW = Bias 313 repeat
    233 W
    312 LLL = No More Bias all three show 311 313 312 start over or only target series that begin with 2
    233 W
    233 W
    221 W
    213 LL = No repeat and we have 211 and 213
    211 LW = Bias 211 repeat
    223 W
    232 W
    211 LW = Bias 211 repeat
    213 LLW = Bias 213 repeat
    211 LW = Bias 211 repeat
    212 LLL = No bias all three show 211 213 212 start over or only target series of 3

    Now lets only look at the swings between all the winnings

    211 x x x x x
    213 x x
    212

    Above is the bias before 212 shows and results and decide what direction the bias will take during play

    311 x x x
    313 x x x
    312

    Above is the bias before 312 shows and results and decide what direction the bias will take during play

    Cheers
     
  11. cps10

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    Sputnik,

    Maybe to simplify a little. You are looking for a series to repeat after a series. And then you are looking for 21 or 31 pattern to repeat based on what the previous pattern was? That may be oversimplified.
     
  12. Sputnik

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    The March

    1) You get a series you bet there will be a series (that creates many winnings)

    2) If not get a series you will have a single and stop and do nothing

    3) Next time you not get a series and have a single you will play for a repeat of that sequence.

    4) If you lose you will have two sequences and will bet that one of them repeat next time they show.

    5) If you lose you will have all three and there is no present bias.

    Cheers
     
  13. cps10

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    When you get all three then you reset that number (either 2 or 3).

    Now the million dollar question is what would your preferred money management be for this March? Flat betting? Or would you use a 1-2 based on the fact that you typically only make two bets in a row (unless you win on one bet!)?
     
  14. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    I have no answer to that.

    Cheers
     
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  15. Baelog

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    Just want to say “tack så mycket” for sharing this Patrik. Most interesting read in months.
     
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  16. BIG EZ

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    Patrik...

    My replay was correct according to the detailed explanation you gave, and the first example play you showed for the 100 hand sample, had wrong bet placements in it (maybe you were rushing when posted).

    What is the longest losing streak you have seen in testing so far? I have gotten 6 up to this point
     
  17. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    BIG EZ

    I have no time testing and I just share what I think is superior solutions based upon my opinion.
    At the moment I purchase a LAY method that I will use on the Exchange Market (Sport).

    Just considering in the future when I might add some of the solutions to my portfolio.
    When the Coronavirus slows down and local Casino open I might start playing and testing.

    At the moment my money or bankroll is working for me with tipping service that has an EDGE and my own trading.

    Hope you understand ...

    Cheers
     
  18. cps10

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    Patrik,

    I appreciate the time you've given to explain this. You are always betting for a series. After you have one or two bets, you stop, correct, until another series comes?

    So let's say for example you have a 3, so you are betting on a series. Suppose a 2 comes up and you win your initial bet, would you immediately bet on another 2 or are you waiting until a full 3-stage set is finished, i.e. 321? Otherwise you are betting almost immediately forming all kinds of 3-stage sets (such as 321, 332, etc) overlapping each other. So you would wait for a 3-stage to complete, and then wait for the next trigger?
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    cps10 i have very sensitive information to share, I solve how to connect or attack all existing sequences to catch any existing bias with two bets.
    Among one more thing, reduce the above with two bets.

    I will send private message - I don't want Beat The Casino and system sellers to read and get this information.
    Also will include BIG EZ if he confirms he is a regular player.

    cheers
     
  20. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    Baelog confirm you are a regular punter and I will send you private PM

    Cheers
     

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