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Baccarat The Final Solution

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There is no book and is just in my opinion a decent method.
    But now I considered to post it.

    Cheers
     
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  2. Gab

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    It is a decent method... l use something similar but not exactly... but with a cross between Fibonacci and Martingale MM... 10 losses and l lose my bankroll. It happens but not that often and the wins have outweighed the bank roll losses ( so far!!!)
     
  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    My Theory

    All shoes and random bits including repeaters and we can define them using my discovery and solution.
    What I discover is to cath small, medium and large oceans with present bias in the random bits universe.
    With two attempts to jump on board any existing bias occurrence.

    Here is Sputnik's March Concept as betting algorithm or march.

    First, you have to decide to explore sequences by themself or using a march on a rolling basis.
    You can stick to one or use both or all.

    Here below are the sequences:

    333 W
    332 W
    331 W

    322 LW
    323 LW
    321 LL

    311 LW
    312 LL
    313 LW

    - - -

    222 W
    223 W
    221 W

    233 LW
    232 LW
    231 LL

    211 LW
    213 LL
    212 LW

    The Algorithm

    When you have one outcome you bet for singles, that is the money maker of the march.
    If you get BBBB then you wait, assume you get PP then you bet for a repeat PPP.
    Lets say you lose and have BBBB PP B then you bet that the previous two will repeat with on single bet.
    Total two bets to catch a bias section in the ocean of random bits, BBBB PP BB.

    Let's make one more example.
    Assume you have BBB and Hold your Bet and get a single, then you bet single BBB P B.
    If you have BBB P BB then bet B to get a bias section, sequence BBB P BBB.
    You now see how at least one of the previous to repeats.
    And you only need two bets.

    Let's show a losing sequence.
    PPPP B PP B now you have three events out of three possible and no present bias, a dry section within the ocean of random bits.

    Now the distribution of the baccarat shoes and the universe of random bits will have more repeats then dry sections.
    So after each win, W, you continue to bet singles and after each, LW, LLW you wait and let the outcome swing to the other side and then again bet for singles.
    That is the march on a rolling basis.

    My Statement

    There is no public even money bet solution describing and define the bias and explain how to explore the ocean of random bits that can be compared with Sputnik's March.
    That is the reason why I consider this to be the best of the best, as the known public even money bet approach.

    Staking Plans

    My opinion is that Holloways even money "conservative" staking plan or delayed Fibonacci is the best choice.
    No matter if you chose to play sequences by themself or using the march on a rolling basis.
    Betting sequences by themself will embrace two attempts for each attack and the march on rolling basis will have three attempts.

    1 Shoe


    1. B
    2. B L
    3. B
    4. B
    5. B
    6. B
    7. P
    8. P
    9. B L
    10. B W
    11. B
    12. P
    13. P L
    14. B
    15. P
    16. B W
    17. B L
    18. B
    19. P
    20. P L
    21. B
    22. B W
    23. B
    24. B
    25. P
    26. B W
    27. B L
    28. P
    29. P
    30. P L
    31. B
    32. P L
    33. B W
    34. B L
    35. B
    36. P
    37. P
    38. B L
    39. B W
    40. P
    41. B W
    42. B L
    43. P
    44. P
    45. B W
    46. P W
    47. B W
    48. B L
    49. B
    50. P
    51. P
    52. P W
    53. B
    54. P W
    55. P L
    56. B
    57. B
    58. B L
    59. P
    60. P W
    61. B
    62. B L
    63. P
    64. P
    W

    2nd shoe

    1. B
    2. P W
    3. B W
    4. P W
    5. B W
    6. B L
    7. B
    8. B
    9. P
    10. B
    11. P W
    12. B W
    13. P W
    14. P L
    15. B
    16. B
    17. B L
    18. P
    19. P W
    20. B
    21. P W
    22. P L
    23. B
    24. P
    25. P L
    26. B W
    27. B L
    28. B
    29. B
    30. P
    31. P
    32. P W
    33. B
    34. P W
    35. P L
    36. B
    37. B
    38. P W
    39. B W
    40. B L
    41. B
    42. B
    43. P
    44. P
    45. P W
    46. B
    47. B L
    48. B
    49. P
    50. B
    51. B L
    52. P L
    53. P L
    54. B
    55. P
    56. P L
    57. B W
    58. B L
    59. P
    60. P L
    61. P
    62. P
    63. B
    64. B W
    65. B
    66. B

    Shoe 1

    LLW
    LW
    LLW
    W
    LLL
    W
    LLW
    W
    LW
    W
    W
    LW
    W
    LLW
    LW

    Shoe 2

    W
    W
    W
    W
    LW
    W
    W
    LLW
    W
    LLW
    LW
    W
    LW
    W
    LW
    LLL
    LLW
    LLW
     
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  4. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Being that there is a lot different playing live with real money then at home on the computer I thought I would try to look at a simple scorecard for live play. I make an "o" for Bank and "X" for Player in Big Road format. I attached a pic of Shoe 1 as an example. So just write the series length as you go along and circle the series to look for repeat. A second line can be used to play multiple series. As shown.

    If you look close you can see where I noted the actual Win and Loss on his shoe by circling the appropriate result for a Win or putting a dot where we bet and lost. These were actual Wins Sputnik noted and I am not quite sure if I (or he) did it correctly. But you get the picture. I hope this helps. Feel free to correct or add any input.
     

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  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Jimske here is your result with the posted shoe.
    Betting one sequence and not on a rolling basis.

    323 LW
    323 LW
    311 W
    323 LW
    311 W
    312 LL
    322 LW

    And I don't go around in circles, my first great discovery was made a series of three and higher as one and same event to get one in three.
    The second, not mention before, until now, to catch all sequences with two attempts, my evidence is in the Sputnik's Notes On Baccarat Topic where I mention there is no existing way to catch all sequences with two attempts.
    They apply to sequences starting with a series of two or series of three and higher.

    And I have not to find the same for sequences that starts with singles.

    111
    112
    113
    122
    123
    121
    133
    132
    131

    Then I came to the conclusion to win all of them.
    Using Sputnik's algorithm above.

    Cheers
     
  6. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Sputnik, thanks for the Algorithm, now it makes ur march much clear, but one confusion, In The First shoe, on the 20th hand there should be "No" bet but should be on the 21st hand, ( For Catching 3 series) kindly elaborate, & correct me,thanks
     
  7. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    1 Shoe

    1. B
    2. B
    3. B
    4. B
    5. B
    6. B
    7. P
    8. P
    9. B L
    10. B W
    11. B
    12. P
    13. P L
    14. B
    15. P
    16. B W
    17. B L
    18. B
    19. P
    20. P
    21. B L
    22. B W
    23. B
    24. B
    25. P
    26. B W
    27. B L
    28. P
    29. P
    30. P L
    31. B
    32. P L
    33. B W
    34. B L
    35. B
    36. P
    37. P
    38. B L
    39. B W
    40. P
    41. B W
    42. B L
    43. P
    44. P
    45. B W
    46. P W
    47. B W
    48. B L
    49. B
    50. P
    51. P
    52. P W
    53. B
    54. P W
    55. P L
    56. B
    57. B
    58. B L
    59. P
    60. P W
    61. B
    62. B
    63. P
    64. P

    - - -

    LW
    LW
    LLW
    W
    LLL
    W
    LLW
    W
    LW
    W
    W
    LW
    W
    LLW
     

  8. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

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    Hi, thanks but I think u missed hand # 2, this should have been a loss, Am I correct or not?
     
  9. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yes ...
     
  10. Ravinderchawla

    Ravinderchawla Member

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    Hi, 1)System as per Ur Algorithm
    2) Staking plan recommended
    a) Hollandish
    b) Delayed Fibo
    Any STOP LOSS/ STOP WIN recommended
    OR we Play the shoe till end? because at the end of shoe we have to take the losses & can't carry forward to next shoe
    Should we play the shoe from the very beginning or we can jump in at any point of the shoe
    Any tests / simulations done by u, using the Algorithm with Hollandish/ delayed Fibo, to prove its worth.thanks
     
  11. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You decide.
    All system bust when simulating.

    Still, there are punters making a living playing their ways to tackle casino games.
    I am not one of them, I use my whole bankroll betting sports.

    My opinion is that you have been reading what I consider superior to anything in public.
    Anyone can challenge me and come with another solution and try to achieve better results.
    I don't believe that will happen, almost 90K views at bet selection forum and is a reason why punters get back again and again to that original topic.
    It took from 2016 to 2020 to solve the puzzle, so this is no brain fart.

    The following is not to offend you or anyone else, but I don't care if you win or lose.
    And I show, when, where and why to bet and that is my mantra.
    I considering add this to my portfolio.

    Cheers
     
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  12. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    this is always going to be your choice. Toward the end of the shoe you decide if there's enough hand left to make it worthwhile to continue or just stop with the win or even a small loss. Otherwise you're going to have to continue the same plan next shoe for recoup.

    It's very hard to win more than four base units a shoe on average no matter what your base unit is. Keeping losses low is the most important factor in any given shoe.

    If you practice your method of betting long enough you should get an idea of its limitations. By this I mean what is the average win average lost in a shoe? So you get to a point of money management which is always going to be Paramount and decide whether you're going to leave after the next couple of losses or not based on averages you've witnessed
     
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  13. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi. So in nutshell we apply ur algorithm with ur recommended Staking plans & play the whole shoe irrespective of results.I feel good for u having solved the puzzle, but nothing to offend, then only time will judge whether ur new March had any merit in edgeing out random bits in sessions, or it was a sheer brain fart ( I understand continuous simulations will bust). BTW I appreciate ur efforts,for coming out of with a new idea,thanks
     
  14. Xytras

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    Xytras's take on Sputnik's March:

    First off, I want to thank Patrik (Sputnik) on an incredible amount of work he put into this! With that said, if anyone have read my posts, they know I am not a fan of mechanical approaches to say the least. However Sputnik's March really piqued my curiosity, at least Patrik thinks outside of a box. So I decided to give it a some test run. I use his modified March where broken bias gets you LL instead of LLL as in his original way. Plus I use my own hybrid MM progression where I only have 12 units on a line in any given shoe with a 6-step progression. Think about it! 6-step with 12 units...comparing to a standard Marti where 6-step bust would cost you 63 units or at a standard Fibo you'd find yourself 32 units down after 6 straight losses. But 12 units...barely puts a dent into my bankroll. Also I must to note that I am a firm believer that It's much better to take fewer units of a profit per shoe than fight inevitable variance. That's why I prefer to have a higher unit size and aim for 3-4 units...and out. I still post the entire shoe just to show how important it is to have a Stop/Loss. I also didn't use chops the way Patrik described as I find they do more harm than good unless you're lucky enough to hit a really long streak of those which doesn't happen too often. My choice really.

    So here we go...3-4 units up or max 12 units down per shoe...whatever comes first. All live dealer shoes online from the last week (25$ per unit, 300$ buy in per shoe)

    1. WW(+3 and out), LL LW W LL LW LL W=-1 if played the entire shoe
    2. LW W LL LL W W W W=+3 was at 0 but last two hands made it +3
    3. W LL W LL W LW W LL LW W LW W =0
    4.
    LW W W(+4 and out) W LL W W W W LL W W LW=+4 anyway if stayed till the end
    5. LW W LL W LW W W W(+3 and out) W W LL=+3 anyway, would be +6 if not last two LL
    6. LW LW W(+3 and out) W LL LW W W LL LW=+2 if stayed
    7. W W(+3 and out) W LL W W LL LW LW W LW=+1 if stayed
    8. W W(+3 and out) W LL LL LW W LW LW LL=-4 if stayed (-1 without last LL)
    9. LL LW W LL W W LW=0
    10.
    W LW LW W(+3 and out) LW W LL LW LL W W LW W=+3 if stayed
    11. LL W LW LW LL W W=-2
    12.
    LL W W W W(+3 and out) W LL W=+1 if stayed
    13. LL W W LW W W =+3
    14.
    LW W LW(+3 and out) LL LL LW W LW (would be -2 here) LL LL=-8 if stayed.
    15. W W(+3 and out) W LW W W W LW LL W=+6 if stayed
    16. LL LL W W LW LL W W W=+1
    17.
    W W(+3 and out) LW LW LW LL W LL LL LW=-5 if stayed
    18. LW W W(+4 and out) LW W W LL W=+6 if stayed
    19. W LL W LW W LW W LL W W LW=+1
    20.
    LL LW LL W W LW LL LW=-2
    21.
    W LL W W W W(+3 and out) W LW LL W LW W W=+1 if stayed
    22. LW LL LL LL(exited a shoe at -11)LL W W LL W W W=-10 if stayed till the end
    23. LW LW LL W W W LL LW LL W=-1

    Total: +33 units.
    And that shoe from Hell #22 certainly dragged the total way down. My observation: 6-step Marti would cleaned all the shoes...till a shoe #22. But that's where it gets tricky with any steep negative progression and that's why I stay clear of it. There are better ways to collect a few units per shoe. I know, 23 shoes is a very small amount of testing but it just gives an idea of Sputnik's March. Also to note, I only improved on two shoes(#15, #18) if played them through from my Win Goal of 3-4 units with my MM but certainly could do better with an aggressive NP...till shoe #22 that is. I'll keep updating!

    Cheers
     
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  16. BIG EZ

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    would like to hear more about your progression
     
  17. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Xystras here is 24 Shoes from Jimskey and I only get four loses at most using the march above with series of three or higher.
    Skip the 311 and 211 and aim for bias using one repeat of the last two, much better results, see below.
    Also, attach the file so everyone can see each placed bet.

    Code:
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1069 BppppBpBpBBBBBBBpppBpppBppppBBpppBBBpppBBBppBBBpBpBpBpBBpBBBpBpBBBBB
    
      W  W  LW  W  LW
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1070 BpBppppBBBppppBBBppBBBppBBBBBBpppBpBpBBpBpppBBppppBpBpBppppppp
    
      W  L W  W  LW
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1071 BBBpBppBppppppppppBBpppBpBBBBBBBBpppBBBpBBBBppBpBpBpBBpBBp
    
      W  LW  W  LL
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1072 pBBBppBBppBpppBBppBppBpBBBpBpppBBBBBBppBpBpBpppppBpBBpBppBBBppBBBBpB
    
      LW  LW  W  W  W  L W
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1073 pppBpppppBBBBpppBppBpppBBpBBppBBBBBpppBBBBBBpBpBpBppBBBppBBpBBBpBpBBpBBpBp
    
      LW  W  LL  W  LW  W
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1074 pppBpBBppBBpppBppppBBBpBBBpppBBppBBBBBBBppppBppBBpBpppBpBBBppBpBpBBpppBBB
    
      W  LW  LW  LW  W  W  LL
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1075 BBpBppBBppBpBppBpppBpBppppppppBBppBBpBpppBpppBBppBpppBpppBBBBpBp
    
      W  LW  LW  LW
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1076 BBBBppBpBpBpBpBBBppBBppBBBppBpBBpppBppBBpBpBBppBpBBppBpppppBBppBppBpp
    
      LL  LW  LL  LL  LW
    
      MoSun 2.13.20 1077 BppBpBpBpBBpBpBBpppBBBBpppBBBppppBBBBBpppppBpBBppBpBpBpBppp
    
      W  W  W
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1078 pppBpppBpBpBBppBppBBpBBppBppBppBBBpBBpBppBBppppBppBBppBBBpppBpBppBBpp
    
      LW  W
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1079 BpBppBBpppBBBpBpBBBpBppBBBppppBBBppBpBBpppBppBBBpBBBBpBBpppppBBBBp
    
      W  W  W  LL  LW  W
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1080 BpppBBpppBpBBBpBBpBBBBBBBpppBpBppBBpBBppBBpBppBpBpBBpBBpBppBBBpBB
    
      LW  LL  W   
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1081 pBBppBBpBppppBpppppppppppBppBBBppBBBppppBppBpppBpBBBBpBBBBBpB
    
      LW  LW  LL  W  LW
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1082 pBppBpBBBpppBpppppppBppBBBpBBppppBpppBBpppBpppBBpppBBppBppBppBBBBBpppp
    
      W  LW  LL  LW  LW  LW  W
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1083 ppppBBpBBBBpBBBBpBpppBBpppBppppBpBpBpBBpBpppBBBppppppBBBpBBBpBBpBBpBBBBB
    
      LL  LW  LW  W  W  LW
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1084 BBppBBBBBppBpBBpBBpBBpBBpppppBpppBpBppBppBppBpBpBpBBpBBppBBpBBppppB
    
      LL  LW   
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1085 pBppBppBBBBpBBBpppBBBBpBBppBppBBpBBBBBBBpBBBppppppppBBBBBppBpBBBpBBBpBpB
    
      LW  W  LW  W  LW
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1086 BBBBpBBBBpBpppBBppBBBpBBBBppBBppBpppBBBBBpBpBpppBpppBpppBpBppppBBpBppBB
    
      LW  LW  LW  W  LW  LL
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1087 BpBBBBpBppBpBpBppBpBBppBpppppBBBpBppBBppBpppBpppBpBpBpBBBpBpppppBppp
    
      W  W  LW  W  W
    
      MoSun 2.14.20 1088 BBBBBpBBBBpBpBBppBBpBBpBBppBppBpBBBpBBBpBBpBBBBBpBpBpBBBBpBBBBpBBpBpBppBBB
    
      LW  LW  W  LW
    
      MoSun 2.17.20 1089 BpppBBpppppppBpppBpppBpppBpppppBpppBpBBBpBpBBpBBBpBpBBpBBppBBpppBBB
    
      LW  LW  LW  W  W  W  W
    
      MoSun 2.17.20 1090 BpBBBpBBppBppBBppBppBBBBpBBppppBppppBpppBBppBBBppppBppppBpBBBpBppBpBBB
    
      LL  LL  LW  LW  W  W  W
    
      MoSun 2.17.20 1091 BBpBBBBBBBBBBBBBpppBppBBpBpBpBpBpBppBppBBBpBppBpBBBpBBBpppBBBBBppBB
    
      W  W  LW  W
    
      MoSun 2.17.20 1092 ppBpBppBpBppppBpBppBBpBpBBBBBpBBBBpBBpBBpBBBpppBpBppBBppBBBBBpBBp
    
      W  LW  W  LL
       
    
    
    
     

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  18. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Patrick So now we have 2 options 1) Ur Algorithm March 2) Using March with series of 3 & higher, but why are we are skipping 211, if we are only looking for only 3 & higher?
    Just one clarification regarding ur Algorithm march in Shoe #2 should we not bet on hand #48 to catch series of 3, after a loss on hand #47, Rest is all clear, thanks
     
  19. Ravinderchawla

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    Not taking much time of yours, kindly play few hands using ur Algorithm
    1. B
    2. B
    3. B
    4. P
    5. P
    6. B
    7. B
    8. B
    9. B
    10 P
    11 B
    12 B
    13 P
    14 P
    15;P
    This is a section of Shoe 1 hand #13 bet should have been placed to form a bias of BBBBPBB (B), but u didn't place the bet,why?
     
  20. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There is more than one option.
    One can play against 311 and 211.
    Other option using the Algorithm, cover all.
    We can play each sequence for a repeat and use both or one if you play 3+ you have 321 and 312 to achieve two loses, my example above.
    With 2s you have 231 and 213 make you lose two bets and we can use both or just one.

    Cheers
     
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