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Roulette The horse race analogy and set completion

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. Bago

    Bago Well-Known Member

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    Noone is debating the fact randomness produces streaks of an even chance, hot sector hitting etc... but you observe it afterwards, you could not predict those "patterns" beforehand. And contrary to what you write, there is no advantage in "riding" what happened in the past, because at the time you bet for instance red because it is a hot color, the odds of it hitting again is 48,65% (single zero).

    You guys just can't accept Roulette is a simple game of independant events like a lottery draw. It is not because n°8 appeared in 3 consecutive draws that it has more chance to appear on the 4th lottery draw. You are just lost or have nothing to do with your time to look for some patterns because you see consecutive numbers on the scoreboard.
     
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  2. Smitridel

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    Im glad you are amused.
    Casinos "need" amused people.
    Happy winnings!

    Also not cut and paste, just my view.
    But I forget you are used to copy paste GIFs so everyone else must be doing it? LOL

    Anyway Im not actually posing an argument nor am I trying to convince anyone.
    To you its nonsense magic.
    To me its patterns. All over.
    Even the ones that you would come back with a snappy comment.
     
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  3. Smitridel

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    I had already started typing a wall of text to answer but then I thought.. Whats the point?
    Youre either missing the whole point of statistical averages and above averages and win to loss ratio or you just dont want to see it.

    That said, I have nothing more to contribute as it would be in vain.
     
  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    If the game is random, then why would a number that hits above average be more or less likely to hit than a number that's below???

    You're a victim of the gambler's fallacy.
     
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  5. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Maybe that number wised up and got a memory . ROFL
     
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  6. Smitridel

    Smitridel Active Member

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    Its not more or less likely to hit.

    R4s to R5s in comparison to R1s and etc. You know the details no need for me to repeat it here.
    - Otherwise all numbers would be e q u a l l y distributed in each cycle.
    (Which even if this was the case it would still be exploitable. )

    Like Turbo has said - it doesnt need to be perfect, there will be more than enough hits to profit.
    Its a matter of concept.
    Its real only if you observe it.
    Otherwise its just numbers on a row.

    I see all the usual gang members have gathered here all of a sudden.
    I must have hit a nerve.

    Chill guys, Im not Turbo.
    No need to get aroused.
     
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  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    No, all numbers typically are not distributed evenly over a series of spins because there are more ways for them not to be. That's the nature of randomness.

    Again, the reason you won't usually (watch enough spins and you will though) see 38 unique number in 38 spins is because there are more ways for some of the numbers to hit a couple or a few times than there are for all of the numbers to hit just once. (For example 38x37x35x35x34 fewer opportunites as each number hits....verses 38x38x38x38...well...you get the idea.) This is nothing that can be exploited because you will find that the house payout is short of what probability says would be a fair payoff.
     
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  8. Bago

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    Your averages are useless because they will differ depending how far back your are calculating them, 1000 spins back or 250 spins or 37 spins, what is the right amount of spins to know if a number is cold or hot ? :D
    I hope you understand with all the questions we are asking and you can't answer that Roulette is a game of independant events, and that only the current spin matters and determines the winning number.
     
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    Sergio....Need some help on this...so..you have a repeat with interval of 7...then you get a repeat (different number) with interval of 5....how does the ..less those that repeat in a row....get figured into this and where/when does the bet get placed ? Any help would be appreciated very much..Rick
     
  10. Rona

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    Where is Turbo anyway?
    Your fans are missing you!
     
  11. Bago

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    Busy writing his HolyGrail(s) book so that it is ready for Christmas.
     
  12. Nathan Detroit

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    Another year-----------another fiction
     
  13. Smitridel

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    Ok despite the abuse this thread has been into by the usual suspects, I still like it less than any other Turbos analogies other threads by Turbo have helped me more tbh but each to their own I guess. :)

    My interpretation:
    The whole hot group horses is just a visual aid to identify the unhit in a constructed form.
    After the unhit (contenders) have been hit start betting on it/them. Due to the fact that usually a number of cycle(s) will have passed the 1x will try to "rush" to each statistical average (dependent on what cycle you're on) thus making it hotter and eventually winner.
    Unhits that become hits after 2/3/4 cycles will become hotter and hotter.

    Now I wont care about the usual BS from the falacy guys.. hope that everyone that uses that kind of method knows what I mean.
     
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    I don't know why you don't just ignore those guys... Life is much better lol
     

  15. Smitridel

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    Life isnt about ignoring things.
    Besides, sometimes somewhere inside their ramblings you can find patterns (predictable) of behavior that usually happen when Turbo is saying something (or even someone else of value to them).

    In a way whenever these guys appear more and more(even in clusters) something "is" happening. :p
     
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    Sergio & Smitridel...you guys seem to understand Turbo's thoughts on this thread enough to support them or maybe partially support them...I've gone back to study some older TG posts as well, and just wondering if his Minimum Interval ideas (partial or all) play any part your playing strategies..? I'm working on ways to manually calculate them for use in Live Play...Thanks in advance for any help you could offer...Rick..
     
  17. Smitridel

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    To be honest no I havent found a truly consistent way ("I cant lose" way) of working with repeaters - not as much as Turbo claims at least.
    His posts have helped me though find a way to use the "what-can-will-happen" effectively but not repeaters per se.

    Minimum interval is a handfull to say.
    It requires lengthy tracking (111 spins?) and I dont see a way of it being in a BM casino.
    I dont think I would use the strategy per se but instead try to understand the logic behind it (why lines/corners/streets return to 1 value).
     
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    Smitridel...thanks for the reply...with regard to Minimum Interval...In his (TG) 2008 post (Sergio posted link) he mentions that it took 16 spins to qualify a "Line"...I've been using his horse race criteria (5 out of 6) to use for qualifying...i.e. start betting...it takes some "reverse engineering" to understand MI..as there does not seem to be any details available online now...not saying I fully understand it, but working on it...
     
  19. Smitridel

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    The only way to make "accurate" in his strategy (due) bets is by having a large sample.
    That doesnt happen usually until spin 111 or more.
    So when he was saying play lines THEN corners THEN streets etc, he was just buying his time narrowing down the bet selection sample.

    It does work but not good enough untill you have more than 100 spins give or take.
    So if you're gonna play straight numbers you go from 6 to 4 to 3 to 2 to 1 using the Min. Interval requirement.
     
  20. Smitridel

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    Also and since we're talking about patterns and its "hot":
    It still amazes me how we're goind around in circles.
    Old threads die off due to trolling or lack of interest, but a hands on explanation of the whole Expectancy of numbers/groups is already discussed to death inside this very forum with a title "More on that so called Fallacy" by Turbogenius.

    Read it - it has all the usual nonsense and pretty pictures by Dr Sir, Bago's bold letters, Turbo replying sporadically and even my favorite for his enthousiam (really this guy is inspirational) Jenkh (Eddy?), even a weird troll named Blerg.
    Its an all classic thread.
     
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