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Roulette The horse race analogy and set completion

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 18, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    He can run the same tests on his own and see the same results.
    To continue to argue about it makes no sense but some will still do it.
     
  2. Bitrock06

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    after all these years he either cant get the results others like myself have found, or he found them but is upset you wont give your step by step process out and is a troll...i go with troll.
     
  3. Smitridel

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    By the way and just to prove some above points (not by Turbo) wrong, here is the same test using not repeaters but hunting the last numver from sets that were forming (using lines) as spins went by.
    That's what I mean by coldness.

    upload_2019-10-19_15-12-34.png
     
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    Nice, I knew when I quoted you at the third post I was on to something deeper.
    So it's about repeaters.
    Do you have a rule of Appearance Gap (STD I think you call it?) or do you bet them all at the same time untill they perform individually?
     
  5. Bago

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    He will tell you the lines were just an example, only him has the secret of how to build the magic sets of numbers, that's why you lost, understood?.
     
  6. Smitridel

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    I respect freedom of speech as much as anyone else, but if you havent anything usefull to add to this thread as well, please stop.
    Trolling, I know is a jerk off for some people but not when you ALWAYS behave like that.

    I know my dear Troller-Derailer (Nice Song title that one, should mark it down!) that he used lines, or random org sets as an example.
    I've been trying to find the groups right from the start.
     
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    You only know 20% of the rules. Do 100's of testing sets on paper and someday you'll see. Keep the faith. Volhouden
     

  8. jekhb1976

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    Oh god, please help me for what i'm about doin' now! Showing up here again :) Guess i miss Bago too much :)

    I'm here to learn something too, so i've blocked all the naysayers, so i won't be tempted again.

    My understand regarding this matter is that you don't bet on the last number! why? it isn't the vulcan way :) There isn't any logic in this. If you do bet the last number, you are betting on sleepers, and that's a road we don't want to take now do we?

    When you have selected sets you want to use as a game (i would use sets larger then 3 numbers, better to use 6 sets of 6 numbers or even better, 4 sets of 9 numbers without repeats) no use in guessing wich numbers to use, you have 36 numbers staring at you, use those. When one of your sets has 1 number remaining, this set as a whole will be your betting set. We bet numbers as a group, spins as a group. . you will see when you test, that these numbers in the chosen set when crosses the finish line first, the numbers as a group, perform above expected value. test.

    so, not bet on the last remaing single number!!!!!!
     
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  9. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Betting a long term cold number, or "the last of anything" is terrible and I'd never suggest doing that.

    This isn't the case though, as we have multiple sets of numbers.
    We are in no way waiting for the last number in the last set to appear -
    That's a nightmare looking us in the face with 300+ spins of losing bets until it shows.

    This on the other hand is a set of numbers completing, that are in a race with other sets of numbers.
    We have the proof that 1 set will complete before the others
    We have the proof that this set (when the data is checked) - will contain numbers
    that on average hit well above the house payout.

    If I had said "Wait until 1 set is left with 1 number left in it and then bet on it"
    I'd hope someone would throw 1,000 stones at me all at once because I would never suggest
    that to anyone.
     
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  10. Smitridel

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    Welcome back jenkh1976! You dont know me but I've read a lot of days/nights about your efforts and your enthusiasm to solve the repeater problem at the Other forum!


    Would you say that sets based on HE/HO/LE/LO would be a good option?
    Just a hint, a nudge towards the right direction? ;)
     
  11. jekhb1976

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    Hi Ed, good to see you here.

    Back to topic.
    Not wanna throw stones at you, but you said it !
     
  12. jekhb1976

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    that's why we are all confused.

    this is what you said.....


    10 35 4 10 24 16 25 0 00 15 20 3 13 20 2 29 17 29 1 20 23 26 11 14
    • Set 1: 33, 13, 12, 8, 1, 19, 4
    • Set 2: 24, 30, 17, 12, 16, 26, 20
    • Set 3: 23, 9, 6, 36, 32, 12, 17
    • Set 4: 9, 19, 6, 23, 0, 3, 35
    • Set 5: 8, 18, 35, 29, 2, 9, 21
    • Set 6: 14, 17, 31, 15, 20, 00, 9
    • Set 7: 14, 35, 30, 13, 22, 16, 28
    • Set 8: 28, 23, 29, 20, 35, 17, 12
    • Set 9: 14, 1, 17, 00, 26, 28, 23
    • Set 10: 29, 6, 23, 15, 00, 22, 2
    Now we can see this horse race analogy clearly ?
    Set 9 is the "lead horse" with only #28 left to complete the pattern.
    all the way back to (horse) set #3 that has only completed 2 steps of the race.
    Others are in-between but charting this over time will show that there is always
    this variance because of random. So we now bet on the Set #9 to complete
    by betting on #28. (and no, this isn't done ahead of time - I run these examples
    as I type.. so if it doesn't work, then it doesn't...but it will.)
    Now the bet on spins...

    34
    21
    8
    3
    31
    32
    18
    00
    13
    8
    26
    31
    24
    15
    34
    28 Win (We are up 20 units)
     
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  13. Bitrock06

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    Correct. With 00 on the win.
     
  14. Smitridel

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    I think Im on to something..

    upload_2019-10-19_22-39-6.png

    Used positive progression on the numbers that hit (1-3-5 but never got to 5 stayed at 3).
    9 Numbers being bet at the same time.

    Until further notice or tank :p
     
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  15. Bitrock06

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    Great stuff! Will give an attempt in producing similar charts!
     
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    Your'e up 9 units. You lost 11 units on #9 from set 6.



     
  17. Smitridel

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    Good evening

    Another test (note that I do each spin manually so no 10.000 spins for me) Heartbeat Graph.

    The flat lines are the waiting time before a new set becomes "ready".

    I used aggresive positive progression in last test but here only a negative and only if Im not at a new high after 2 hits on the qualified.

    upload_2019-10-20_1-0-26.png


    My only problem is that Im tempted to stay a bit after the numbers become hotter and hotter and capitalise with positive progression and I dont know how long it's "safe" to stay before going to next set.
    As long as Im on a new high Im ok.
     
  18. AudioMan

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    In the other thread you said not to use the same number in multiple sets. In this thread you gave the example of line bet sets where the same number shows up more than once. Which one is it?
     
  19. Smitridel

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    No that is not correct.
    Which set do you see the same number being repeated?
    Also FYI again the lines are just for demonstration, dont get fixated on them.
     
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  20. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    What specifically are you confused about ?
    When there are multiple sets of numbers being tracked - the first to be 1 step from completion isn't the last of something or a sleeper.
    It's actually usually the hottest. The pattern completes well before the others that are
    are made up of actual sleepers that you should never bet on.

    I see no problems with what I said and it's not hard to understand as I explained it very clearly.
     
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