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Roulette The time traveler analogy

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    See Sir anyone ? You're breakthrough idea on the English language doesn't hold up.
    Book (free), Shirt, calculator and a dictionary for 150 ? Have to make sure I cover all the bases here lol.
     
  2. Jerome

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    Sharp,

    I haven't read the forums for a few months, but I vaguely remember there was some system you wanted coded. Can you remind me what it was? Unless you're no longer interested.
     
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  3. Bago

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    Someone needs to buy and wear your T-shirt at the table to receive your HolyGrail book otherwise the system won't hold up more than 150 spins?.
     
  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You're alive !!! Long time no see - I've enjoyed our conversations,
    did you call on the secret Bat Phone that there was a disturbance in the forums ? j/k
    Nice to see you.

    As to your point - it's not relevant.
    Thousands of people tested ideas and inventions in the past and failed - even doing things
    that were 99% accurate to what ended up succeeding, it didn't stop others from working
    towards the final answer and success. It's easier like I said to just say that nothing works
    I suppose.
     
  5. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    They could - but remember don't be obvious about it (maybe wear the shirt inside out until you're ready to leave).
    The last Super amazing AP player I saw at the table was super covert, fake mustache and disguised as a nun.
    It worked for them, what do I care what people do to win.
     
  6. Sharptracker

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    Well i think you should wear it before, the pit boss will cry for you to not play and say you can directly ask the ammount you want at the cashier.

    @Jerome Welcome back! Thanks a lot but that other genius ran away tail between legs and had to admit the system was as others... Don't need to waste time on this :)
     
  7. Bago

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    Have you contacted the International Mathematical Union to receive your Fields Medal for your discovery of beating Roulette permanently with no edge systems?.
     
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  8. Sharptracker

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    Oh i forgot turbo, let people know that you will print the 9485th clue inside the shirt! That may help to sell more!
     
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  9. Jerome

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    That's a fair comment, but I don't find it very convincing in this case. There aren't that many system variations on the theme of hot numbers, for example, but none have been found even a little bit effective unless you're playing a biased wheel. And I come back to the stark difference in results between a system which is missing some tweak, but otherwise follows the "principle", yet fails completely, and another system which has the missing tweak, and is a resounding success!

    It's a bit like insisting that the principles of aerodynamics are essential for building a plane which actually flies, but are not sufficient; for the plane to actually fly it must be painted red (any other color and it fails to get off the ground).

    Maybe the secret tweak is wearing one of your shirts? Hell, I'd like to buy one anyway.

    Can you do a single-zero version?
     
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  10. TurboGenius

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    I'm too old for the Fields Medal - you should know this already.
    I have though been in touch with well known mathematicians but that group is a lot
    like the misfits here - they are confident that "random" means "unpredictable" and they
    have more important things to work on than a silly casino game.
    At least one is interested though and we do communicate.
    Which is fine - everyone laughed and dismissed Nash with his nonsense Game Theory -
    turns out it's used around the world today in every type of economic situation.
     
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    Damn. I could have done with the money. Oh well, plenty more grails where that came from.
     
  12. Sharptracker

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    Wait wait my friend... Did that guy invite you to a Dinner?
     
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  13. Bago

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    I am sure they would make an exception, after all, you would be the first man in the world proving that a game based on independent events is beatable with past results (influencing future spins somehow with an undiscovered math).
     
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    True! Try to be as covert as possible!

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    I thought your book was due out in the summer. Are you still working on it?
     
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    ...........00....... on the doors to the pissoir in some European country .
     
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    The time traveller analogy is interesting in the context of the discussion because let's say in 50-100 years (or even now) time travel is possible or indeed another way to be able to see into the past or future. If we could see it, we would then say ''oh, so that's how it's done''. I think it's the same with a lot of this stuff. You can't envisage what you are incapable of seeing and so any 'logical' argument we come up with now about how something can't work might not stand the test of time.
     
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    Then he should have chosen to call himself Turboquantum... Because with Law of third...:confused:
     
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    you can timetravel as much as you want but that doesn't make this game beatable.
    Past results have no influence on the present. And future events have no effect on today's game. Why? because we CAN'T travel into the future and back again, so stop with all these nonsense ed, please. What do we have learned in the past 15 years?
    1. Before a number can become a 3 hit, it has to become a repeat first - check, we understand.
    2. Before a number can become a repeat, it has to show up first - check, we understand.
    3. When a number shows up for the first time, it has the potential to become a repeater - check, we understand.
    4. If we betting only on numbers that repeat, we ain't losing a penny on numbers that haven't showed up yet, because we weren't betting on those - check, we understand.
    5. There will be around 12 repeats (on average - could be a few less or a few more) in 37/38 spins (repeating numbers - 2 hits on any number or above) check, we understand.
    6. In 37/38 spins, there will be around 24 out and around 12 sleeping numbers (average) - check, we understand.
    7. Any number that hasn't shown up yet, could be a long time sleeper - check, we understand.
    8. Any number that is a cold numbers has the potential to become a hot number in the future once it shows up - check, we understand.
    9. 37/38 numbers in 37/38 spins show up is possible in theory, but very, very unlikely - check, we understand.
    10. Following repeats is the way to win (so you told us) check, we understand.

    You always said that we need to stop looking at one spin at a time. But this is impossible because you are playing one spin at a time.

    After all these years, i finaly (very late, i know :) ) understand that playing repeats has no advantage whatsoever over playing numbers that haven't showed up yet, this is all make believe first grade. Once a number repeats and we put one chip on it, it could go to sleep for 400+ spins just like any other number. If you keep telling us, that this isn't the case, sorry but then you have no clue of random events to begin with.
    If i pick 5 random numbers before i sit at the table and decide i play those 5 numbers the whole night, it has the same math probabilities as picking the first 5 numbers that so up once i start playing, no difference.
    That you keep telling everyone that is is different is beyond me.
    Every spin is independant from the last, and every number has the same pottential, no exceptions. In roulette there is no better number to play, you really need to go back to school if you say that this isn't true. You know i'm right. An independant number is an independant event in it's own universe. This all is untrue if roulette weren't random, but it is. All known facts, there isn't an escape, rules of a game set in stone. therefore a hg isn't possible.
     
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  20. Ka2

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    Great the final answer is in! They are all conected! Each one on its own is not better than 1:37 ( Proven ) but combined its 1:35 I like to see that mathematical formula!

    Its like 1+1=2 2/2=1 2-1=1. But combined the total = 3.5...
     
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