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Roulette The Turbo Thread

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by trellw24, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Active Member

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    Ok then if you do understand this, you should understand that everytime you're playing without an edge, there 's a sword of Damocles hanging over your head. You can do 500 sessions without a loss and lost it all or not in your life... You can not decide where you'll be on the Gauss curve, so you never know and the game hasn't be beaten (not everyone can win with your system except if he plays the exact same pattern than you did)!. And the worst is that this is valid for anything you play, my grandma 's system, my caretaker's one if you play not enough spins to let the law of large number talk or if you use a progression to use a time limit... anything, as Jerome said anything is equal.

    From there you can understand why Turbo 's system isn't better than my grandma's one! Well you should...
     
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  2. Benas

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    Negative edge cant be something good :)
     
  3. Sharptracker

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    Yes because when you count card for example the edge is no more negative, around 0? (i don't know) but not negative and the fact that you use a progression can make you win.

    What i meant is that the progression doesn't transform a negative edge system in a positive edge system and will never do so. Now if you have an edge a progression (like Kelly criterion (optimal bet but dangerous if you don't split it IMO) will magnify the profit.
     
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  4. JacobBlaze

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    yes, he is correct, but im going for a profit before i reset the 37 and start tracking again, so if im in profit anywhere over 500 or so (subjective) i clear all bets and start tracking for my 4 new numbers, max of four
     
  5. JacobBlaze

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    retested the 108 spins, but had to keep spinning as i was at a loss when i got to 108 spins.

    this is the new method im trying (the way i played the 500 spins i posted earlier)

    this is playable in my brick and mortar casino as the minimun is 25 pesos(50cents) and max bet is 5000(about $100) pesos on a single number.

    now the question is am willing to go so far in the whole? 57000 pesos, about $1150

    Is turbo/jek going that far in the whole before recovering?

    as you see it recovered but i had a 2000 ($40) bet on a number

    i know the chart looks bad, but posting everything bad or good



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    here are all the spins used (the original 108) and then the additional ones needed

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  6. TurboGenius

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    I've been really busy the past two days, but read this and wanted to applaud it...

    This is 1000% accurate.
    A progression should never be based (at it's core) on the bankroll balance. This is the big mistake almost
    all people do, it's wrong.
    "I'm in the hole - bet more !!"..."I'm deeper in the hole - bet more !!" is a progression style that is doomed.
    Almost all progressions (negative ones) are supposedly there to make a doomed bet selection
    somehow win in the end - this almost never happens.
    The complete opposite is true, a progression that makes a good/winning bet selection win/profit
    more is how it's done.
    You don't have to be in profit at that point to use it either.
    If I'm down and decide to use a progression, it isn't to dig myself out of hole as Caleb
    likes to post that I'm doing. It's because I know my bet selection is going to produce a win.
    That's why my charts tend to spike up into profit - not always from being way down -0
    but while it's already in profit. It magnifies the results.
    A terrible method/system using a progression is magnified into a nightmare.

    My advice (and then going to bed, more on this in the near future) is to never
    base a progression on your balance. Use other data from your session to decide
    how the progression is used. You'll see a big difference.
     
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  7. JacobBlaze

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    retested the 108 plus spins (total 226) using turbos MM (25-50-100-200), from earlier in the thread, kept the same numbers from 108 spin test but just took the spins out to 226, and it wins with same drawdown as original 108 (-7000)

    this was done just to compare the results

    So this betting selection and MM works with this set of 226 spins but it losses with another set, that is why i was adjusting the selection/mm . This makes me think i'm back to step 1 and cannot figure out how turbo/jek NEVER lose a session. Bankroll wise i can handle the drawdowns but dont like to have to have such a big bankroll.

    Im a baccarat player and run into the same issues of how big of a bankroll/drawdown is acceptable for the daily profit im aiming for.

    I will continue to test.

    226turbomm.JPG 226turbommnumbers.JPG
     
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  8. jekhb1976

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  10. jekhb1976

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    This is my session played with your spins jacob.
    nothing special.
    only taking the first 4 repeats and played them all the way.
    with a +1 on a hit and a -1 after a number has hitted 5 times.
    Personaly i would have stopped between spin 20 and 30, because my win goal in a sessions is always 100 units. but i just continued just to show what a good betselection can do.
     

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  11. jekhb1976

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    As a sidenote,
    I don't say this is the way to go, but just what has worked for me last 20, 25 sessions or so.
    Again, nothing special.
     
  12. JacobBlaze

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    thank you for this, your stating bank was 500 and you used 1 as a base unit?
     
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    yes, that's correct jacob.
     
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    What i noticed, after testting and researching thousands of spins is that 99% of the time the first 8 repeats will have numbers that will be in the top list of hitted numbers (numbers that have hit the most after lets say 185 spins)
     
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  15. jekhb1976

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    after rolling a set on rx for 185 spins, these were the outcomes of the first 8 repeaters.

    My first 8 repeaters.

    36 (9 hits)most hitted number
    21 (6 hits)
    28 (7 hits)third place
    5 (6 hits)
    20 (6 hits)
    13 (4 hits)
    26 (9 hits) most hitted number)
    4 (7 hits)third place

    not bet on (32) (8 hits) second place

    so 4 of my numbers were in the top 3 after 185 spins. !
     
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  16. Mako

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    Nice work Eddy/Jacob, all you can do is what you're doing. Endless cycles of testing until you find the specific variant that works for you in terms of BR limit, drawdown, session length, etc.

    In reverse-engineering four different sessions TG put up the past 18 months, including one from Caleb's numbers, whatever particular bet selection he's using is a mystery. I'm not sharp enough to spot it or see the pattern.

    Sometimes he pulls bets off numbers that haven't hit in 20+ spins, sometimes he doesn't. Sometimes he'll choose to play a number that repeated within the last five spins, but then will skip playing a number with the same spin gap right after.

    The bottom line is that the core philosophy has been detailed, we can put the finishing touches on it ourselves and determine through brute force testing whether or not it's going to work for us.

    Jacob: TG has mentioned previously you need to bring a thousand to win a thousand, and advised against bringing a thousand to win a hundred.

    My thought as to "why" is about how the cycles can ebb and flow in terms of repeat density.

    If you play daily and hit +100u for multiple days in a row using one of the more aggressive progressions (like say 5-10-15-25-30 or 1-5-25-100) and stop early at that 100u target each time, you may wind up hurting yourself in the long run by not maximizing that particular session.

    One of those +100u days, or more, may have been a +1400u day...and when you wind up going -1000u for whatever reason a few days later, you're in the hole due to not capitalizing on those +100u sessions that could have increased your BR enough to handle however often a bust occurs.

    That's just me speculating, I haven't begun in depth testing to see if that's why you've got to press when winning and aim for a bust-or-double BR scenario each time.

    For myself personally in terms of which bet selection I'm going to begin testing with, I'll likely leave it random to start and see how it does. I.E., just choosing the first 4, 5, or 6 repeats and playing them until that session's BR busts or doubles, and seeing typically how many cycles that takes and how large the drawdowns can get.
     
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  17. JacobBlaze

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    thank you for your post it gives me more ideas to play with

    i might actually end up buying RX now lol

    i obv missed a lot of turbos advice never saw this


    "TG has mentioned previously you need to bring a thousand to win a thousand, and advised against bringing a thousand to win a hundred"

    "in reverse-engineering four different sessions TG put up the past 18 months"

    where are these, the one here put me in the right direction, have you heard of vaddi? his ideas are similar to turbo so i'm incorporating some of that in my testing

    thanks
     
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    Hola, la cosa sobre vaddis no tiene nada que ver con Turbo, tiene alguna relación en términos de intervalos, pero nada más, vaddis es simplemente increíble y lo más fácil es, es tan simple, que como bien dice un niño de 10 años. Un asesinato, por lo que ahora ha diseñado un software para ocultar tu juego, para que no se detecte y prohíba ese tipo de juego.
    Por otro lado, también es dyksexlic, pero para llegar a su forma de juego, es el más complejo de los tres, por lo que dyksexlic es tan difícil, necesitas estudiar mucho para entender las cosas en partes y luego juntar las piezas para saber como hacerlo
    La cosa Turbo también gana totalmente plana, la progresión solo maximiza las ganancias o ayuda a las sesiones muy malas que se juegan en plano, para ganar siempre.
    No es tan difícil Turbo, el problema es que hay diferentes problemas y eso hace que sea difícil entender las cosas correctamente, sé lo que quieres decir y una forma de hacerlo, pero Turbo es un experimentado y siempre quiere más y yo seguro que ha aprendido mucho con todos los años que ha aprendido, no solo sabe cómo usar un formulario, sino que, al obtener una forma correcta y ganadora, abrirá las puertas a muchas más formas y es un apasionado de este mundo. , como yo, sigue y sigue para mejorar o encontrar más cosas.
    Estoy muy agradecido con la información de Turbo, Vaddis y Dyksexlic, pero creo que Vaddis y Dyksexlic lograron su objetivo y se quedaron solo con eso, pero Turbo consiguió su objetivo y quiere más y podría ser uno de los mejores del mundo. . mundo sobre la ruleta.
    Tendrías que respetar mucho más a todas las personas como Turbo, Eddy, Gordon, Mr.J y otras personas que vienen aquí para dejarnos información valiosa sin recibir nada a cambio.
    Desafortunadamente, ya lo tenía como un estafador y la verdad es que no, solo que he estado sin trabajo por un tiempo y tuve que tomar dinero de alguna manera para invertir y ganar todo lo que sé, pero gracias a Dios que tengo una buena persona que invierte conmigo y podemos salir adelante y ahora estoy mejor económicamente, pero nunca lo hice para engañar, solo algo justo, tener dinero a cambio de detallar una manera que funcione y así puedo comenzar a jugar Creo que no es un delito y por eso lo digo públicamente.
    Pero espero poder ayudar y guiar el camino correcto a todas las personas como lo hacen mis colegas en este foro.

    Un abrazo, gracias a todos.
     
  19. JacobBlaze

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    my real euro betv 10.00 account, started with 10.00 last week

    was going for a quick 100 units

    about 30 min
    104 units
    140 spins
    .01 units
    started 17.42
    ended at 18.50
     

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