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Roulette The worst of 1000 spins for an EC bet

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by albalaha, May 10, 2015.

  1. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    The given session depicts the Losses and Wins of an imaginary session of an EC bet, in 1000 trials that could be one of the worst that can be witnessed. It could be used for roulette, baccarat or any Even Chance betting. Any predetermined methodology that passes across this horror session would most likely, always win, in 1000 trials of playing max.
    In nutshell, one can use this session which is at 5 Stand Deviation below the mean and it showcases a variety of harsh situations for any Money management. An acid test for any "system". Try any known progression over this. All will fail or go too high that can not be played in a real environment.
     

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  2. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Hi Albalaha ,
    Thank U so much for your worst EC/1000spins.
    I count there 387hit.

    =============
    I understand that u have a way to win these 1000spins with only
    380+hit, with sort of variance management and progression or method of staking.
    ====================

    I see that in betting EC, we lose mainly because of...

    1]Bet-selection, that will hit very much less than the 'Expectation", within the math,=48%, and...
    2]Staking or progression that horribly wrong or huge that soon depleted BR.
    =====================

    Since we cant see future, when we bet EC, we will encounter...

    1]withinin math expectation....a breeze.
    2]Ecart of medium..slightly difficult.
    3]harsh ecart 5%, where very difficult to win.
    ======================

    but there a bet selection where the 5%
    are MOST WELCOME! But that another topic for another day.

    ===============================


    I try to see your 1000spins from SERIES/SINGLE, and after some hand clicking, I see that the single/series produce...


    in...
    533BET TAKEN.

    SINGLE=298hit
    W-SERIES=235hit
    albeit green, if it is roulette.

    In %5 ecart,
    series/single will also produce better hit.

    But of course, series/single strategy will also met with their own variance of extreme.
     
  3. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Hi Albalaha,
    With respect,

    Since I,
    ILLITERATE in programming,
    may u please do some millions spins,
    and see how much variance ecart that possible,
    in the series/single strategy,
    in the increment of 100,200,500,1000spins?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  4. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    "But of course, series/single strategy will also met with their own variance of extreme."

    Exactly. Every bet has to face extremes and that is the core defence of casinos apart from the "house edge" giving u faulty payout that affects you at micro level. Remember, you may get positive variance too, of same degree. Their random arrival and random stretch upto the "virtual limit"
    can not be pre-guessed.
    If we only have a fixed house edge working against us without any variance against us, it is quite easy to win, each and every session.
    Just imagine if every 100 spins deliver you 47/48 wins of each EC and three 0s, many of us can win at least 1 unit by various systems.
     
  5. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    I think I have elaborated this here and in my blog. We can not say that it is impossible to go beyond the "virtual limit" that I state but chances are very remote for anything like that to happen. Maybe you never get to see any bet going beyond that but I warn you that the virtual limit is the expected limit based upon observation and probability. There is no absolute limit. It is truer for smaller bets.
    Further, Series vs Single is vague. Better forget that
     
  6. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    When I download the file, there are no numbers
    there. How do I get the numbers?
     
  7. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    It only has W/L of a dozen and no numbers.
     

  8. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    What good does that info do anybody? Post the numbers, I guarantee I can get more double dozens right than wrong. If they're real numbers from a real wheel, that is. Which I doubt, people like you never use real random results, you only the crap RNG's spit out.
     
  9. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dear Ekap,
    With respect.
    =================
    u say,

    "I guarantee I can get more double dozens right than wrong. If they're real numbers from a real wheel, that is."
    -------------------------------
    thus, please teach me how you do it.
    Simply choose any double dz.
    thanks.
    --------------------
    below,
    306spins,
    balanced dozen hamburg
    Below a Hamburg permanance with almost balanced DOZEN and column.

    for your convenience, they the dozens, are marked ABC.

    1. Dutzend 100
    2. Dutzend 100
    3. Dutzend 98
    1. COL 100
    2. COL 99
    3. COL 99



    Spielbank Hamburg
    Tisch 0001
    31.03.2001
    Gewinnzahlen:
    14B
    35C
    25C
    20B
    1A
    31C
    9A
    13B
    6A
    27C
    5A
    25C
    1A
    33C
    19B
    11A
    17B
    18B
    3A
    10A
    36C
    17B
    13B
    36C
    22B
    34C
    23B
    8A
    29 C
    10A
    29C
    9A
    7A
    00
    2A
    25C
    18B
    18B
    15B
    35C
    13B
    33C
    28C
    22B
    32C
    14B
    27C
    6A
    7A
    27C
    20B
    28C
    12A
    27C
    20B
    23B
    11A
    35C
    14B
    28C
    7A
    33C
    16B
    23B
    33C
    21B
    29C
    17B
    30C
    32C
    35C
    30C
    18B
    7A
    22B
    19B
    00
    33C
    27C
    15B
    1A
    5A
    11A
    11A
    30C
    27C
    36C
    6A
    5A
    24B
    4A
    16B
    22B
    9A
    18B
    29C
    35C
    8A
    21B
    9A
    28C
    8A
    16
    17B
    7A
    21B
    27C
    27C
    14B
    00
    24B
    7A
    21B
    9A
    25C
    13B
    16B
    10A
    20B
    18B
    32C
    00
    27C
    19B
    20B
    1A
    5A
    36C
    29C
    00
    11A
    22B
    30C
    4A
    18B
    2A
    30C
    32C
    33C
    33C
    31B
    12A
    16B
    17B
    2A
    6A
    4A
    9A
    11A
    13B
    15B
    3A
    29C
    8A
    24B
    19B
    28C
    9A
    15B
    19B
    10A
    7A
    18B
    11A
    11A
    22B
    35C
    25C
    6A
    26C
    25C
    1A
    28C
    30C
    7A
    20B
    3A
    16B
    5A
    8A
    32C
    29C
    11A
    17B
    14B
    6A
    23B
    15B
    10A
    22B
    20B
    28C
    13B
    16B
    4A
    13B
    20B
    34C
    9A
    18B
    16B
    23B
    18B
    11A
    33C
    30C
    20B
    17B
    1A
    8A
    13B
    18B
    14B
    4A
    25C
    18B
    30C
    28C
    9A
    9A
    3A
    10A
    19B
    14B
    7A
    33C
    29C
    27C
    00
    5A
    18B
    8A
    11A
    27C
    32C
    32C
    27C
    21B
    12A
    13B
    00
    30C
    35C
    7A
    2A
    9A
    10A
    36C
    34C
    11A
    3A
    17B
    2A
    2A
    19B
    19B
    26C
    1A
    11A
    29C
    9A
    30C
    15B
    35C
    11A
    29C
    16B
    28C
    1A
    7A
    20B
    19B
    16B
    14B
    35C
    31C
    17B
    31C
    22B
    34C
    9A
    19B
    5A
    28C
    6A
    16B
    1A
    31C
    6A
    18B
    17B
    3A
    31C
    25C
    3A
    30C
    11A
    6A
    36C
    26C
    35C
    23B
    30C
    31C
    1A
    00
     
  10. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    You're joking, right? A magician shows you a trick, do you then demand for them to teach you how it's done? A marksman hits the bullseye from 100 yards, do you demand for him to teach you how to do it? Learn the same way as everybody, nobody ever taught me one practical thing about roulette. Spend years practicing.
     
  11. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dear Ekap,
    With respect.

    I did not 'demand' you ,
    but with real humulity,
    ask u to "teach me",
    the how to ..

    Maybe u are older, or younger than me, but that not the criteria, to ask for education, or knowledge, from someone who we regard as a knowledgable teacher.

    If u not willing to part your knowledge, that is ok, since not everyone willing to
    teach.
    Nevertheless, let me show u how to bet double dozen, with the expectation to win, half the session, flatbet.
    And any reader with advance knowledge, will understand how to turn this strategy into near HG.


    306 balanced hamburg.
    bet double dozen.
    bet in matrix of three.
    bet after 1st and second have two different dz.
    no bet when zero appeared, or same dz in 1st and 2nd spins.

    14B 35C 25C ...HIT!
    20B 1A 31C...LOSE! LOSS 1
    9A 13B 6A
    27C 5A 25C
    1A 33C 19B...LOSE!2 LOSS2
    11A 17B 18B
    3A 10A 36C ..No Bet1
    17B 13B 36C ..NB2
    22B 34C 23B
    8A 29 C 10A
    29C 9A 7A
    00 2A 25C ..NB3
    18B 18B15B. ..NB4 LOSS3
    35C 13B 33C
    28C 22B 32C
    14B 27C 6A...LOSE!3 LOSS 4
    7A 27C 20B...LOSE!4 LOSS 5
    28C 12A 27C
    20B 23B 11A.... NB5
    35C 14B 28C
    7A 33C 16B...LOSE!5
    23B 33C 21B
    29C 17B 30C
    32C 35C 30C...NB6
    18B 7A 22B 120
    19B 00 33C NB7
    27C 15B 1A...LOSE!6
    5A 11A 11A... ..NB8
    30C 27C 36C... ..NB9
    6A 5A24B.... ..NB10
    4A 16B 22B
    9A 18B.29C...LOSE!7
    35C 8A 21B...LOSE!8
    9A 28C 8A
    16B 17B 7A ..NB11
    21B 27C 27C
    14B 00 24B.... ..NB12
    7A 21B 9A
    25C13B 16B
    10A 20B 18B
    32C 00 27C.... ..NB13 002
    19B 20B 1A ..NB14
    5A 36C 29C
    00 11A 22B... ..NB15
    30C 4A 18B...LOSE!9
    2A 30C 32C
    33C 33C 31B ..NB16
    12A 16B 17B
    2A 6A 4A..... ..NB17
    9A 11A 13B..... ..NB18
    15B 3A 29C...LOSE!10
    8A 24B 19B 120
    28C 9A 15B...LOSE!11
    19B 10A 7A
    18B 11A 11A
    22B 35C 25C
    6A 26C 25C
    1A 28C 30C
    7A 20B 3A
    16B 5A 8A
    32C 29C 11A... ..NB19
    17B 14B 6A. ..NB20....
    23B 15B 10A. ..NB21.....
    22B 20B 28C. ..NB22....
    13B 16B 4A... ..NB23..
    13B 20B 34C.. ..NB24...
    9A 18B 16B
    23B 18B 11A... ..NB.25.
    33C 30C 20B.. ..NB26...
    17B 1A 8A
    13B 18B 14B. ..NB27....
    4A 25C 18B LOSS
    30C 28C 9A ..NB28
    9A 3A 10A.... ..NB29..
    19B 14B 7A... ..NB30...
    33C 29C 27C.... ..NB31.
    00 5A 18B...... ..NB32
    8A 11A 27C..... ..NB33
    32C 32C 27C.... ..NB34..
    21B 12A 13B
    00 30C 35C... ..NB35..
    7A 2A 9A..... ..NB36
    10A 36C 34C
    11A 3A 17B.... ..NB37.
    2A 2A 19B..... ..NB38..
    19B 26C 1A...LOSE!12
    11A 29C 9A
    30C 15B 35C
    11A 29C 16B........LOSE!13
    28C 1A 7A
    20B 19B 16B. ..NB39...
    14B 35C 31C
    17B 31C 22B
    34C 9A 19B...LOSE!14
    5A 28C 6A
    16B 1A 31C...LOSE!15
    6A 18B 17B 120
    3A 31C 25C 102
    3A 30C 11A 201
    6A 36C 26C 102
    35C 23B 30C 012
    31C 1A 00...LOSE!16

    102SPINS -39NB- 16LOSE=47 HIT
    LOSSES=-16 X2=-32
    PROFIT=+47-32=+15

    ====
    ==============
     
  12. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    Look again at my comment about the magician.
     
  13. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Gentlemen,
    Above is just a very simple strategy to bet double dozen.
    U may see, or not see where the FLAW is.

    Nevertheless , if u are knowledable,
    u may, after some hours of scrutinize the said method,
    u will see the FLAW, and with some progression, trigger, or simple strategy.
    turn the above method into near HG.
     
  14. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Dear Ekaps,
    with respect.

    I truly understand what u mean.
    If a teacher not willing to teach,
    we cant do anything.

    I do not intend to offend anyone here.
    I sincerely,
    just want to learn, and respect everyone,
    whether he is better or inferior , than me,
    in this roulette forum.

    U may contribute, some of your knowledge here,
    and I am more than eager to learn.
    Maybe one or two of your finer points,
    will bring me closer to the thing I seek to fine.
    Thanks.
     

  15. beat-the-wheel

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    Gentlemen,
    previous sample of 306 hamburg,
    show almost balanced dz.
    ========================
    below two sample to bet.
    --------------------------------------

    below sample, a dozen hit much less then the other 2 dozens,

    WORST 3rdDOZEN/185SPINS

    14B5A2A hit1
    4A19B9A hit2
    23B29C2A [111]
    21B10A5A hit3
    36C19B22B hit4
    16B29C21B hit5
    6A 0 33C nb
    10A8A2A nb
    11A21B 0 lose1
    29C20B10A [111]
    17B 1A 0 lose2
    30C18B30C hit6
    27C30C6A nb
    25C19B28C hit7
    34C 0 20B nb
    2A36C26C hit8
    17B23B5A nb
    23B25C16B hit9
    15B23B16B nb
    2A4A35C nb
    36C15B33C hit10
    19B31C 0 lose3
    17B5A29C [111]
    24B20B1A nb
    5A14B23B hit11
    12A35C32C hit12
    0 4A7A nb
    15B28C1A [111]
    12A30C32C hit13
    32C25C5A nb
    13B36C36C hit14
    24b8A21B hit15
    36C19B12A [111]
    2A24B20B hit16
    13B 0 32C nb
    31C6A10A hit17
    6A3A3A nb
    5A33C17B [111]
    27C27C3A nb
    15B2A34C [111]
    27C15B6A [111]
    22B21B7A nb
    21B5A31C [111]
    14B26C33C hit18
    12A3A14B nb
    27C12A13B [111]
    29C32C16B nb
    14B12A19B hit19
    30C6A17B [111]
    11A 0 20B nb
    17B24B30C nb
    26C11A22B [111]
    26C22B17B hit20
    1A6A13B nb
    34C20B31C hit21
    31C32C7A nb
    34C10A9A hit22
    10A19B18B hit23
    11A32C3A hit24
    12A22B19B hit25
    17B12A30C [111]
    2C26C nb


    [111]uhit=13
    hit=25




    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    WORST 2ndDOZEN in 185spins


    27C11A31C
    1A5A13B nb
    34C19B12A [111]1
    14B34C 0 lose1
    0 12A12A nb
    24B4A30C [111]2
    3A36C7A
    8A13B21B
    30C12A4A
    34C28C30C nb
    17B16B21B nb
    24B7A25C [111]3
    8A12A11A nb
    2A8A7A nb
    3A20B7A
    0 16B16B nb
    13B16B10A nb
    12A 0 4A nb
    26C26C14B nb
    1A12A30C nb
    1A19B33C [111]4
    2A11A23B nb
    29C 0 12A nb
    21B7A31C [111]5
    9A24B2A
    34C11A18B [111]6
    31C2A28C
    0 16B19B nb
    33C17B11A [111]7
    33C30C33C nb
    14B5A4A
    5A21B35C [111]8
    6A20B20B
    11A32C26C
    18B6A29C [111]9
    15B16B16B nb
    20B13B1A nb
    5A6A 0 nb
    7A20B7A
    2A34C26C
    10A28C5A
    36C24B 0 lose2
    6A33C26C
    29C28C10A nb
    5A12A25C nb
    33C16B30C
    1A23B21B
    22B26C15B
    17B2A35C [111]10
    22B4A27B
    25C27C19B nb
    0 36C25C nb
    5A 0 14B nb
    18B22B32C nb
    7A8A22B nb
    29C13B33C
    27C16B20B
    35C30C5A nb
    32C29C2A nb
    22B36C34C
    27C13B2A [111]11
    21B3A

    [111]unhit=11
    hit=21.
    lose=2
     
  16. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Gentlemen,
    The said strategy,
    is no HG,
    It will suffer the normal,
    long streaks of losses, too.
    but with some tweaking,
    where the losses, could be avoided,
    will turn this strategy into near HG.
     
  17. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    That's true for every strategy. Where the losses
    could be avoided, you have a winner.
     

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