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Baccarat To be a professional Baccarat gambler.

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Craps, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. CarloDarlo

    CarloDarlo Active Member

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    I have had bets rise above 11x the original starting unit. So I would recommend 100x whatever that value is in units. Safe bet would be 1000+ units and you'll probably never lose. If you handle the strings properly.

    The more the better because it allows your bet spread to increase which will allow you to easily handle drawdowns.

    The triggers don't matter that much its the handling of losses. I vary my bet selection there is nothing clear cut. If I see a trend of 7 players. I'll throw a bet to either follow or fade it depending on how I'm playing.

    You can do multiple trends while hunting the 7 streak. Look for PP , BB, PP ,(Bet for P) to break the streak. If you are not on a trend stopping selection you Follow from that point.

    Depending on the streaks you are seeking will depend on how long it takes to resolve all your drawdowns via the progressions outlined above.

    You can fade streaks going vertical and horizontal throughout the shoe for more or less betting situations. I like to stay around 10-20 bets a shoe personally.
     
  2. Ravinderchawla

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    But if u stick to around 15-20 bets,per shoe are all labby lines resolved,
    Secondly e.g PP BB PP bet P but if B occurs,then what next ?, Do u Marty or flat bet? & what will be the 2nd trigger, kindly quote one example with MM (neg prog)
    3) Streaks of Vertical/Horizontal do u fade or follow,after what number or is it subjective & which
     
  3. CarloDarlo

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    That was merely an example. I bet against a streak or with a streak only once. Then wait for another opportunity.

    Again my first post outlined the steps. Sit down at table. Flat bet 5 units. You gain a profit. Continue flat betting. You lose progress down to a marty/fibo or skip to labby.

    You bust the marty/fibo then proceed to labby.

    It depends on the shoe and how you attack your labby line if it will resolve in one shoe.

    All your profits are obtained in the early parts of the system in the flat bet stage. The rest of the progression is trying to absorb and recover losing streaks. So that you can return back to flat betting/ marty.

    I've made 20+ units in a shoe and have lost +20 units in a shoe. The Subjective part is the bet selection. I won't go into my own personal bet selection but you don't need my exact selection to make it work. You just need a decent bet selection that doesn't get clipped "OFTEN" for extreme losses in a row.

    You can look into fading streaks of 5 both vertically and horizontally.


    One thing to note I take precedence over Horizontal bets versus Vertical bets. So if you run into a contradiction such as.
    upload_2020-10-11_6-32-46.png

    I go ahead and take P in this case but only if doing opposites. Unless I'm doing FLD then you would bet "B" in that case.

    But again you want enough bets to resolve your lines within a reasonable time while on the other end not over betting and getting cleaned out on a terrible shoe you run into.

    Use multiple bet selection all at once if there are contradictions do what I just outlined above and give precedence over which one if they both collide.

    Example you can be using fading streaks of 5. Riding chops of 3 both Horizontally and Vertically. Definitely backtest but only to get comfortable with the labby and managing lines. The backtest for a bet selection is useless as everything revolves to 50/50 the only catch is not everything goes to 50/50 at the same pace.
     
  4. Ravinderchawla

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    Thanks, Carlos,Excellent way of explaining, but I didn't follow the P/B chart, & that highlighted yellow line. The outcomes are as they occur in a shoe are charted horizontally or Vertically? Kindly clarify
    I am sending u the results of a full shoe ( online, w/o ties,)Kindly play that shoe flat bet & then Labby if need be( No Marty / Fibo) , I know bet Selection is Subjective but by playing the shoe with flat bet & then Labby will clear doubts , & how much Stop loss/ Stop win goal should I aim for ?, appreciate ur cooperation
    # Shoe (Outcomes are placed horizontally)
    B P P B P B B B B P P P B P B P P B P P P P P P B B B P P P P B P P B P P B P P P B P B B P P B B P B P B P B P P P P P P P P ( 63 outcomes)
     
  5. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    were those 63 outcomes from a live dealer?


    Thanks.
     
  6. Ravinderchawla

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    Yes, from Evolution gaming
     
  7. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Thanks for your reply.



    ND
     

  8. soxfan

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    The evolution gaming cut their shoe deep so you don't get as many hand as in a mortar and bricks dealt game, hey hey.
     
  9. Nathan Detroit

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    sox fan , I am playing within sessions between Win goal and loss limit and knowing when to get up. Then time for another alternate game of my choice .


    I am not married to one casino game .




    ND
     
  10. soxfan

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    Other than cards counting at the 21, the baccarats is the onlytable game that offer the moneys making opportunity, hey hey.
     
  11. Nathan Detroit

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    John Patrick said forget 21 and go to Baccarat or Pai Gow Poker. .
     
  12. soxfan

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    Cards counting still viable but need a large bankroll, avoid gettin clipped and lots of concenttration required to grind about one units per shoe, but have a defined edge. At baccarats bankers gonna win 50.8 percents of decision, hey hey.
     
  13. Nathan Detroit

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    Banker is my bet selection since the first time I played that game in 1996.
     
  14. CarloDarlo

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    Sorry I don't have the time to walk through a labby step by step for an entire shoe. But I applied a bet selection and got a quick W/L Registry on your shoe above.

    Judging by that shoe the first 5 hands are profitable with my bet selection choice. Flat betting. But the next 5 hands you'll lose flat betting and will have to kick into labby from the next column.

    upload_2020-10-12_18-21-17.png

    judging by the W/L Registry that is a profitable shoe flat bet into labby.


    Also please note it is NOT Advised to use the above bet selection far too many bets you'll get washed on a bad shoe but you'll do great on a good shoe obviously.
     

  15. CarloDarlo

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    My daily goal is 35~ units. Minimum bet in Vegas at some properties is $5-$10 depending on off strip/on strip. After you factor in banker tax I usually walk with $100-$150. Which is plenty for me personally.

    Also the Highlighted yellow line was to demonstrate you don't have to have a singular bet selection in mind. There are other streaks forming if your streak hunting. Again that bet selection is only an example. I personally would be very careful fading/following streaks. Your probably better off using a different selection all together such as chops BP,BP,BP or BBB,PPP whatever suits your fancy.

    I'm going to keep stressing it. The Bet Selection DOES NOT MATTER. How you manage the Losses is what will determine if you get rinsed or not.

    I quick example for the labby. If you make a labby 7x5 1's. You get washed and your at 7x3 lines of 2's. You would sum up the value and chip up to whatever levels comfortable for you x2,x3 the Original bet size.

    Say you start 7x5 1's = 35 units. You get washed and your at 7x3 lines of 2's = 42 double your unit size from say $5 to $10 and take the 42/2 = 21. So your labby will now have 21 units of $10. Rinse and repeat until your lines are cleared.

    If it is easier to understand using the 6 point divisor is usually a decent option for those who don't want to freestyle there own labby betting system.
     
  16. Ravinderchawla

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    Thanks, Carlo just do me a favor, kindly guide me 2/3 strategies, in which we can resolve free style labby or 6 point divisor, I know it won't be one size fit all but will be a benchmark for starting a shoe with the above mentioned MM
     
  17. fathead

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    I very much enjoy reading your commentary. If I could suggest, a man/woman of your skills should be making more than $100 per day. Think a little bigger. Even $300 per day would be $9000 per month if you play daily. That would give you a more comfortable lifestyle. Just a suggestion. If it is only a question of bankroll hopefully you can grow your bets as your bankroll grows. Keep up the good work! Good Luck always.
     
  18. fathead

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    Oh, about comps. Living in Vegas as you do and mostly likely playing daily, you should never have to pay for meals. That saves you a ton (no grocery bills). A good read is Bob Dancer's "Million Dollar Video Poker". It is interesting but in your case pay special attention to how he works the comps. Take Care!
     
  19. Nathan Detroit

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    Not every casino visit is a winner. Let us nor get carried away. It is a forum in the internet.


    Ever read a post like " Man did I get whacked" at the casino ?
     
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  20. fathead

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    Of course, you are right, we always focus on our current winning streak and forget about the giant losing streak we had 6 months ago which almost wiped out our bankroll. lol.

    I will make you a promise Nathan. The next losing week I have I will post a new thread about it and dedicate it to you. It will give me an incentive to bet smart and not to lose. Also others may learn from my mistakes. I cannot play every week, but if you don't see that new thread you know I am still winning.

    Take Care.
     
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