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Roulette Turbo's Missing Link?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by trellw24, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. trellw24

    trellw24 Member

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    I've been reading and rereading your(TG) material til I'm blue in the face and there's a couple things that you must be wrong about or I'm either too dumb to see or figure out that I'm missing. You say any number that doesn't show is a potential sleeper...and you lose nothing by not betting on it... I AGREE! 1000℅ TRUE!!! But then we have a new problem don't we? We do unfortunately, Let's say I sit down and start a cycle of 38 spins(American) and #18 shows first, well by your logic from what I think I understand, I already have a statistical advantage. WHY? Because I KNOW 12 NUMBERS WILL NOT SHOW and by not betting a single chip on them I LOSE NOT ONE PENNY ON THEM and as a added bonus I know for a fact that THERE WILL BE 12 REPEATERS and #18 is now in the POTENTIAL repeaters column at least for this cycle. But this is where the problem comes. I call it the Turbo Sleeper lol let me give you an example
    from an actual cycle..

    18<------- Potential Repeater/Not a Sleeper
    26<------- Potential Repeater/Not a Sleeper
    22
    23
    27
    28
    8
    10
    6
    14
    24
    5
    36
    26<-------(Dammit should of bet that one)
    31
    16
    26<-------(Double Dammit)
    22
    14
    25
    33
    15
    12
    10
    32
    35
    27
    0
    28
    22
    17
    30
    27
    10
    24
    7
    4
    22

    #18 loses -37 units(Turbo Sleeper)

    Turbo Sleeper: a number that shows in a cycle but fails to show above average after its appeared once.
    But what made #26 so special over #18 in the beginning?
    The point I'm trying to make is that by avoiding betting on numbers that don't show up at all we also avoid losing any units on them by not betting on it in the first place but by betting on a "potential repeater" it can lose in the same fashion but a different style by what I call a "Turbo Sleeper" (btw this is not a knock to you TG I just thought the name stuck lol.)
    So unless we can identify specifically what "potential repeaters" are MORE SPECIAL than others then I don't see how there can be a way to predict at a better rate than the unfair 35:1 payout that we all face.

    For example let's say
    18,26,22,23 come out on cycle #2 and me and Turbo are playing at the same table and I look at him and say "18,26,22,23 are potential repeaters we should bet them right? "

    I would expect him to say "well that is true.. they are but only 26, and 22 is worth betting on because XY reasons"..
    What are these reasons???

    Another one is the concept of the numbers at certain milestones..

    This the wisdom of a number can't show 3 times without showing twice

    Can't show twice without showing once etc

    Here is the problem though, let's say I'm betting that a # will get to 4 shows and there's only 2 candidates that make sense to bet on, for simplicity sake let's say those numbers are 0 and 00 they are both at 3 shows. From what I understand, TG says that my odds have improved to only 2 potential winners but I still have the 35:1 payout which would be a humongous advantage but again we have a problem don't we... I can bet on 0 and 00 to get to 4 shows and it does make sense because they are closest to the finish line but wouldn't that finish line be irrelevant because let's say #36 has not shown up yet and the next spin it shows.. wait a minute I thought I only had two potential winners? So if numbers that are at no shows turn into 1 shows or 2 shows turn into 3 shows then we lose or bet which basically just means 37 to 1, or in our case 17 to 1 since were both 0 and 00 to get to 4 shows.

    Now again, if me and Turbo were both at the table and 0 and 00 get to 3 shows and I say "we should bet for them to get to 4 right? "

    He might say true, but only 00 because XY reasons...


    What are these reasons? I HAVE NO CLUE, and if you are reading you probably have no clue either unless you're TG of course and until we fill in this missing blank I think we are no better betting our birthdays every spin. And I don't think we'll get this answer from Turbo because giving us that answer could possibly mean explaining what could give everything away in a public forum which is a conflict of interest. I get it TG. I'm not asking for a step by step explanation or a tutorial video on how to play the Turbo system, just a nudge in the right direction to know why a location has a PROBABLE chance of going hot besides its shown at least once which doesn't seem to hold up. But if you think about it what he's doing it's really simple. Just bet the numbers that will show above expected and you will win. Will you win flat betting, by betting those numbers? Yes. Will you win using a negative progression on those numbers? Yes. Probably more. Will you win using a positive progression on those numbers? Yes. Probably a LOT more. So just like in TG's example of the 14 players that came out ahead by betting on numbers that were above std deviation we know there's smart numbers to play in a session(+std deviation) and bad numbers to play in a session(below std AND at average/house edge)

    In Turbos example, it comes down to what made numbers 22/23/4/25/20/33/10/36/7/12/21/17/34/11 so special? Sure we know AFTER the fact that they were the smart numbers to play but what tells you that ahead of time? There has to be some sort of sequence, pattern or way the repeats are forming specifically that tells TG these "potential repeaters" are trash and these have TRUE potential or something of that nature. Until we have real reasons that are based in math that we can use to know certain numbers are better than others in a particular session then we are going in circles. So either TG is the world's most successful troll or he really is a genius and I'm just too much of a simpleton to see what's right in front of me. Hope you go through this Turbo, I'm not giving up at all just saying what I think a lot of us are thinking. I just had to and up and say it;)
     
  2. TurboGenius

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    My bets on those numbers ended up being #22 and #26
    $25.00 unit size made a profit of $475.00 for your short session.

    The best numbers to have bet on would have been :
    #22 (4 shows) I was on it.
    #10, #26, #27 (3 shows) I was on #26 only
    #24, #28 (2 shows) I didn't cover them.

    So in order of best to worst possible numbers to have been playing -
    22 was playing it
    10
    26 was playing it
    27
    24
    28

    I'm not perfect, but it was more than enough to profit.
     
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  3. trellw24

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    I get that perfection is not required and sold separately lol but the real question is why avoid some numbers like #18, which failed miserably and also #24 and #28 which repeated? This what I'm getting at, what makes some numbers worth not attempting and others worth pursuing this is what's frustrating for most of us not knowing why.. A very successful poker player here in Vegas once told me.. you should have a LIST of valid reasons to even make a bet at the pot or at the very least one Very good reason to bet.. I see roulette or any other game the same way. If I put my money on #22 as it first appeared I very much expect at least in the long run that I will make a return by that bet but its the reasons that I will know to make the bet in the first place. Otherwise I will say to myself I'll just bet #18 it showed it has a chance to repeat betting one number is less risk... final result lost our ass lol. Reasons come first answers come second
     
  4. Sharptracker

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    Turbo, it is really better to talk about chips instead to give a value of that chip. Do you remember last time on Parx when i saw that you were losing 30K and i said nobody could stand to lose 30K and stay with a normal behave at that time, you told me it was 100$ chips and you answered me that if you were playing 1 euro chips, then it would make only a loss of 300$.

    Here if you're playing 25$ chips, it would have been a loss of 7500$, i don't think one of this guys could stand it either... Also a profit of 475$ is only 19 chips (19 € is less sexy, 1.90€ even less) and to be realist i don't think 1° they got the bankroll to play with 25$ chips 2) they couldn't stand any 7500$ swing down either. It is a very dangerous way. That is why it is better to talk about chip only and not give them a value...

    If you knew all those people i heard say "see? i won 100 units, i was playing at 1€ but imagine if i was playing 20€ chips..." They only consider this option when they're winning not when they're losing.
     
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  5. Benas

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    I do not know why all that when is one simple way - real wheel and play against VB player, few times win and talk will be at all in another level...
     
  6. Bago

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    Hello, just wondering if you are a boy or a girl because in your profile it is stated: "female". Thanks.
     
  7. Benas

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    As you see I nothing more can change that I am done maybe 10 times...
    But why you are so interested? What does that change?
     
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  8. stringbeanpc

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    Things I note

    1) #26 and #22 are the first and second numbers respectively to repeat
    2) #26 and #22 are both in the 3rd table quad (19-27)
    3) #26 and #22 are both in the 4th quarter on a single 0 wheel (22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26)
    4) maybe turbo only plays to the 3rd win in the first cycle, playing this way I see a total profit of 425 as shown in the attachment (not 475).

    12618..PNG
     
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  9. stringbeanpc

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    my bad, trellw24 says it was an american wheel, please ignore my comment about a single 0 wheel in the previous post
     
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  10. Bago

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    Nothing, it just that Caleb said you are a better VB player than Sachse Kesselgucker so I visited your profile and saw "Female" I was quite shocked so I asked for confirmation and you tell me it is a mistake. FINE.
     
  11. delectus

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    It's the lack of information that is the problem. If I was at the casino
    and I saw :

    18
    26 <-------
    22
    23
    27
    28
    8 <-------
    10 <-------

    75% of my set 8: 10 : 24 : 26

    Within a few spins 24 completes the set.

    I have great respect for TurboGenius and he has past comments on
    my sleeper project lol, so my comment here is not that there is any
    problem with his method, but there are easier ways to identify
    repeating numbers. I would find it a struggle to try and work out
    which numbers to bet on.
     
  12. Jerome

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    delectus, how do you know in advance that a number will complete the set? Where is the empirical evidence that particular numbers having appeared will make it more likely that other numbers will appear "soon"?
     
  13. Jerome

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    You're starting to realize that you won't get straight answers to straight questions, just evasion and obfuscation. Turbo is guessing and curve-fitting with his time machine, just like everyone else who tries to beat roulette with a system. The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll get off the highway to nowhere.

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  14. delectus

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    Of course nothing in roulette is certain, but I have used sets successfully for a long time
    and when I see the example above, I consider it a favourable bet. In the thread
    I started recently 'Using 90 sets to create an HG' I mentioned about the 90 sets and
    I have memorised 45 sets (my over taxed brain can't handle anymore lol).

    The number 24 above for example are in 10 of the sets. I don't know how the above
    continued, but the continuation of the set can be short, or very long.

    In the 90 sets thread there is a set as follows: 11:19:26:36. It appears that the numbers
    have nothing in common, just random numbers you would say. Why not 1,2,3 4?

    I would rather bet on the following:

    36.11,11,19,26,11,26,26,26,19,11,26,11,19,11,19,36,19,36,36,11,36,19,36,36,26,36
    19,11,19,26,36,36,11,11,19,36,19,19,36,26,26,11,11,11,26,36,19,26,19,11,11,26,19

    You would say past numbers have no bearing on future numbers, then the explain long
    sequence.

    I have had many comments at the Table "how do you know those four numbers are
    going to repeat", they get annoyed, because they cover the layout with chips and
    wonder why they lose.

    By all means continue with your theory, but the reality cannot be refuted.
     

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