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Roulette Understand Luck NOT Randomness

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by precogm, Dec 7, 2024.

  1. precogm

    precogm Active Member

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    Attempting to understand randomness will not help you win. Studying luck is the only way to be lucky (winning). It may seem obvious but the distinction needs to be made. I have been reading these forums for years and looked back over the history of roulette, I can't find anyone who has made this clear distinction except for me.

    Many system players use some supposedly new discovery of how randomness works as proof of why their system is the holy grail.

    The following are crude ways to say it but you must understand these to move on.
    • Repeaters do not exist
    • hot and cold numbers do not exist,
    • randomness does not exist.
    Do not mistake the shadow for the object. Do not mistake probability for reality. By focusing on luck and what increases or decreases luck you can find how to win.
     
  2. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    This is why some of the old timers feel that it is important to gamble each and every day. You might be walking around lucky all day and not even know it! Ha.
     
  3. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    So, we just stare into what and see the number.
    Look at Dr Sir anyones avatar, cobbler/s
     
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  4. precogm

    precogm Active Member

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    I just told you it is about the study of luck.

    You may observe patterns in the numbers but this is just apophenia.

    The question is:
    • Imagine if two people came to a roulette table and were asked to pick the next number with a chance of winning $10 million.
    • Person A bets 14 and Person B bets 32.
    • The result of the spin then happens to be 32.
    How is this possible?

    In this scenario no amount of system player theories would help solve this. Yet similar if not more amazing phenomena happen all the time.
     
  5. Winner

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    Luck is about physiological
     
  6. SERGIO

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    There is no such thing as luck, my friend!
    There are a number of events that are created by randomness and with those events you can find exploitable patterns to know where and when you should bet.
    I think Turbo made it really clear, there is no room for discussion, my friend.
    And I can confirm that this is really true.
     
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  7. precogm

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    Nothing can be created by something that does not exist. To say "events that are created by randomness" is incoherent. Randomness is just the absence of perceived order. The absence of order can not act on or create anything.

    To think randomness can create exploitable patterns is the height of delusional and illogical thinking.

    Once you accept randomness does not exist all of your delusions will disappear and you can begin to see the light.
     

  8. Ricardo

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    Looking at your example, if it comes out 16, no one was lucky. I understand.
    Now enlighten us on the magical paths of luck.
    You really changed my mood today.
     
  9. Ricardo

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    You say that repeaters do not exist.
    Suppose I want to know how my life goes, I can measure it in seconds, minutes, hours, months, years.....Century if I'm lucky.
    If I measure my life in years, I could say that I measure the life of roulette numbers that appear.
    If the roulette wheel has 37 or 38 numbers, just as each year has 12 months, you should think that the months are not repeated in 12 and the numbers are not repeated in 37/38 spins.
    His words, Repeaters do not exist.
     
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  10. precogm

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    You are being philosophically naive in your thought process.

    If you believe randomness exists it can not have repeaters. Since your example uses repeaters as a measure (as in a measure of age). But only patterns can be measured and randomness is the absence of patterns.

    The whole idea of randomness is from an ontological perspective in question. Randomness is based fundamentally on human ignorance and should not be reified into anything that has any agency in reality.

    Luck/fortune/fate is amongst the oldest ideas in the world.
     
  11. 6th-sense

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    yet it does...cycles also....statistics also....but even so your point of view is interesting...could you explain properly the above quote..

    how you arrived at this contradictory statement...wherein it happens yet you say it doesn,t...i,m pretty interested in your thought process of it...
     
  12. HAL

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    There is nothing to solve in this scenario, it just happens. Person B is there just at the right time. Nothing more nothing less.
     
  13. precogm

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    Repeaters are a classic example of the clustering illusion. A roulette number appearing x number of times in x number of spins has no significance or meaning in a purely random set of events. If you look long and hard enough at clouds you will see faces everywhere. This is just how our minds work. We seek patterns and meaning in things. Just because you can put a name to something does not mean it exists in reality.

    This shows that if randomness existed and was truly random, the concept of repeaters would be meaningless.
    The idea of repeats depends on the sample size. Repeats can only exist on a sample size greater than 1. This shows it is an abstract idea with no basis in reality. Do not mistake the map for the Territory.

    More fundamental than repeaters is the whole concept of randomness itself. If randomness was truly random it would imply that there is no cause. But without a cause there is no reason for one outcome to occur over another making randomness philosophically and logically useless as an idea. In roulette this is made even more obvious because we know that there are physical laws affecting the ball.

    How I see randomness:

    Imagine a tree in a field casting a long shadow on a summer evening. What we perceive as randomness is the shadow and Luck/fate is the relationship between the tree and the sun. The shadow may appear to move through out the day but it would not be wise to say "the shadow has moved". The length and position of the shadow is just the interplay between the tree and the sun.
     
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    According to Ramsey’s theory it’s not delusional or illogical.
     

  15. precogm

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    Yes it is. In pure randomness Ramsey's Theory would be meaningless.
     
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    There is no “pure” randomness, The central theme of the theory is that in large systems, patterns will always emerge. “Its central lesson is that “you cannot create a completely chaotic system,” said Benny Sudakov, a mathematician at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich.”
     
  17. precogm

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    This will never give you exploitable patterns. Knowing "patterns will always emerge" does not mean you know where those patterns will be.
    It would be great if you could play roulette with hindsight but you can't.

    And I agree that there is no "pure" randomness. In fact randomness does not exist at all, only ignorance.
     
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    Randomness = no pattern of events can exist
    Luck = no pattern of luck can exist either

    So you can t take any advantage on both.
     
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    Best way to beat random, is with random.
     
  20. precogm

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    Improving luck does not require patterns. This is what I mean when I say you need to study luck.
     
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