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Roulette Vaddis Holy Grail

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by BETJACK, Mar 31, 2020.

  1. rollit

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    I think at the end of my research I might make a video. Step by step showing you how I researched and got final results of all my tests. I won't share it per se but I will show you exactly how to 'research' it using excel. I will make sure you understand every little detail, I don't think I am advanced or complex as Sergio suggested, I just simply looked everywhere.

    Repeaters: I tested covering 1 number, all the way to 24 numbers covered.
    for Sleepers, the same: I tested all the bets covering 1 number all the way to 24 numbers.

    I then tested for if I play any of them martingale
    Then I tested for if I play any of them anti-martingale

    Then I changed cycle length and retested everything above again, i think that's dumb but I don't have a creative mind like Vaddi. Having done all the tests, I have a broader and better mathematical understanding of the whole basis of this concept of grouping roulette numbers as singles, repeaters and sleepers.
     
  2. Quos

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    Hi rollit, thanks for your explanation!!
    Imagine that for the analysis we choose to cover 10 repeaters numbers. We perform this analysis in column A. This means that I will have to compute the result of my bets but only when 10 repeaters are reached. It mean, we only bet when we have 10 repeatres. But that result could be expressed in a single cell (row 1 for example). What do the rest of the rows within column A mean then?
    I'm sorry for my English but it's not my native language.

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  3. rollit

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    Brilliant brilliant brilliant. Someone understands even my graphics. So the rest of the cells, I will make an example with your 10 repeaters; say we cover 10 numbers, I broke that down too into, cell at the top is the very first 'signal' for 10 and what follows is if it wins in a row, therefore cell below will represent the win after the first one. So on the table you can go down and see how far covering 10 numbers wins in a row. This helps to notice that the first few consecutive wins don't provide profits but those down the trend end up having profit.

    Bloody brilliant, Quos. And you're welcome buddy. keep digging in.
     
  4. rollit

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    Your English is better than mine btw. I understood perfectly, even half way through I could guess what you wanted to ask.
     
  5. rollit

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    Btw let me make an example of repeaters since I got reminded by Quo's brilliant question. Again even when playing repeats and testing for say to cover 10 numbers, you don't just always take the last 10 numbers to appear and bet them, don't do that when conducting tests;

    0 ,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,8 ,9 ,10 ,10 ,10 ,11 ,11 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,13 ,14 ,15 ,16 ,16 ,16 ,17 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,20 ,21

    That's a cycle for playing for repeaters, as you can see its opposite of the sleepers. At the very beginning of each cycle, while you wait for the first spin, there are no numbers, therefore 0. After that spin, you will always have 1 number to start with.

    so when testing for covering 10 numbers, you start as soon as you see 10 numbers available for covering and when it ends you stop.

    You see that you do not necessarily play every single 'previous 10 numbers' even when testing for repeats?
     
  6. Quos

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    Hi rollit!

    Then, Let's make several assumptions for repeaters test and coverage of 10 numbers.

    Example 1) 0 ,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,8 ,9 ,10(win) ,10(win) ,10(win) ,11 ,11 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,13 ,14 ,15 ,16 ,16 ,16 ,17 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,20 ,21

    Our Excel would look like this:

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    Example 2) 0 ,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,8 ,9 ,10(win) ,10(loss) ,10(win) ,11 ,11 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,13 ,14 ,15 ,16 ,16 ,16 ,17 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,20 ,21

    Our Excel would look like this:

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    Example 3) 0 ,1 ,2 ,3 ,4 ,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ,8 ,9 ,10(loss) ,10(loss) ,10(win) ,11 ,11 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,12 ,13 ,14 ,15 ,16 ,16 ,16 ,17 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,18 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,19 ,20 ,21

    Our Excel would look like this:

    upload_2024-6-11_21-13-12.png

    There are more examples, but I don't want to continue because I don't think I fully understood how to complete the excel. Maybe you have to wait (virtual game) as a signal for a first WIN and then start betting.

    Thanks again rollit!!
     
  7. rollit

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    My excel is currently running an extraction code in the background, I am testing but let me check with you after it is done but what I remember is that for 'repeaters' if the number 10 repeats for instance, it means its a win. Remember if a number hits within that 10 numbers, you will still have 10 unique numbers to play so I don't understand on your example how you get a loss when you still have 10 numbers to cover. As soon as you lose, 10 is gone and now you have 11 unique numbers in the cycle; because the 11th number would be arriving from sleepers. And no, you won't have to wait. Or do this, show me stats for win or loss and the corresponding '# of numbers' to cover.


    But give me a few minutes so I am able to use my excel. Thanks to you man, thanks for the positive engagement and something tells me that you have a waaay better understanding.
     

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    You can device a 'virtual game' after analyzing because the result will tell you where the trend starts being profitable and where it ends.
    On my table you can see the first few consecutive wins dont carry a profit, so you can wait for instance 4 wins in a row before begin betting. But like I said there is always a sweet spot where you just play every single spin, just flat betting and no need for waiting or using progressions
     
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    Not every spin. every 'signal', which could sometimes be every spin, cuz remember I have a third way of managing drawdowns. But even if its every spin but u will hit unwanted drawdowns
     
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    Okay so that's a 37 spin cycle...

    On the very top is the win/loss. 'nl' means null, we were waiting for first spin. '0' means it hit a number from sleepers therefore lost. if its more than 0, it just shows how many times it had appeared BEFORE then in the cycle, so 1 means it already appeared once before so its hitting for the second time on the current spin in the same cycle, thus a win.

    Below is the number of 'repeaters to cover'.

    I need you to focus on 17 numbers covered, see from the first time it appears, it wins and then continue winning for further 4 in a row and then loses in the 6th 'signal'. See, how after it loses, the total 'uniques' in the cycle turns to 18, meaning so far 18 unique numbers had fallen, 19 are sleeping. Therefore you have 18 numbers to cover next to play repeaters. If you're testing 17, you stop right there.

    So your consecutive trends will mostly look like

    Numbers to Cover Win/Loss

    10 W
    10 W
    10 W
    10 L

    There should never ever be losses in between that. The loss comes at very end of the trend.

    Hope this doesn't confuse you further.
     
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    Numbers Covered | Win/Loss

    10 | W
    10 | W
    10 | W
    10 | L
    11 | whatever outcome comes

    So if you play for covering 10 and it looks like that, it should be 3 wins in a row, a loss on the 4th. Then you stop playing 10.
     
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    Hey man Quos, you're from Spain right? Know about the Pelayo Family who broke casinos?

    What is the word in Spain, in the roulette world. They never used bias, did they?
    Why would they have needed a super complex computer software at home to take advantage of bias?
    Why would they consult the software whilst playing? Don't you just analyze bias and then go play with the information?
    What's the rumor?
     
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    Hi rollit, I will raise doubts little by little.
    According to the example of 10 covered numbers, what would be the correct entry in Excel?

    This:
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    Or This:

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    Thanks again!!!
     
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    Hi rollit!!!!
    They played mainly in the Gran Madrid casino, near the capital of Spain. They spent days writing down numbers to detect imperfections in the roulette wheel. If they detected any deviation towards any number or numbers, they took advantage of it to bet. That is the official legend or at least they want it to be known. But who knows.......
     

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    The first one, that's how my table does it.
     
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    No underground rumors at all? b/c i truly believe it to be a story. Maybe they struck a deal with the casino? I am guessing. And they did it fairly recently, the casinos already knew of bias, or not?
     
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    It's way past bed time in my time zone. I don't know how to send direct messages. Please send me an inbox Quos and I will guide you through the whole thing tomorrow. Then we can compare our findings.

    Cheers:)
     
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    Hey Thanks.

    How do you target big casinos only for bias in the mid to late 90s? Some guy wrote a book about exploiting it in the 80s, not?
    & I do get you have to detect deviation, I like to believe that you can easily detect it, especially when you have already studied the biased wheel at home. Why would they need to keep plugging in to raise bets, well. Guess I may be a tat slow.
     
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    Hey Quos, I don't know if I had said this but when you test 'Sleepers', it isn't as straight forward as Repeaters. You have to be creative, there's a way to play Sleepers in a manner that it also includes some 'Singles'. It isn't advanced or complex, and as you to think about balancing or making the Sleeper and Repeater tests compatible. Or maybe I should use the word comparable. How do you test sleepers in a way that matches the way you test for repeats. It will come to you.
     

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