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Roulette Want a HG? Here's One

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by jekhb1976, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. Jerome

    Jerome Active Member

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    Bago, they can't ALL be HGs, surely? But which one to pick?

     
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  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Bago , ,





    Thanks for your comprehensive Bank roll information. Very much appreciated in ref . to European and US roulette wheels .


    Nathan Detroit
     
  3. Benas

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    guys show you HG :) to me, if you will show all will be solved if not then I can show you a slight HG - around 0 but with using bias wheel principles...
     
  4. Bago

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    The blond lady.
     
  5. Sharptracker

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    Yeah fellows and try to find a way with streets to divide your 0.10cent minimum bet on straight into 0.03333 cent per straight to make a bigger martingale, and here it is... you're rich!
     
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  6. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Sharp Tracker


    One of the greatest suggestions for 2019.


    Right on !


    ND
     
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  7. TurboGenius

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    Back to this again ? lol.
    I don't mind explaining it again for the "new" people.
    The "free" website had advertisements that were on the pages - much like when you go
    to that other forum (.cc).
    I didn't want my visitors being annoyed with it.
    PayPal was set up to pay FreeWebs measly amount to remove ads - so the whole
    thing self-sustained itself. Never a penny went to my pocket - and you can see on some
    of those pages the view count/hits per page. Pretty impressive. Lots of people got lots of
    information and all I had to do was update the pages with results and explanations.
    But of course - it turned into a whole fiasco thanks to ignorant morons like yourself who
    claimed I was making $ off of donations, etc. I just let it go. FreeWebs changed their format
    and gone now ? - so at least everything is still in the archives of the internet :)
    Of course someone made sure to buy Turbogenius.com before I could purchase it -
    now they just keep updating a empty site so I can't purchase it.
    See ? Someone was smart and knew it would have value to they scooped it up.
    But you on the other hand contribute nothing, have nothing to show much less
    a site with lots of pages of info - just nothing but bashing on forums.
    The only page I see you mentioned is..... well, we know how that went. lol
     

  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    The gambler's fallacy crowd is alive and well. Fortunately many of them are still playing in the land of pretend with their endless up as you lose progressions, infinite bankroll resets, and bonus money just for signing on.
     
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    :) love the happy mad animals :)
     
  10. Bago

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    Turbo. Yes it makes sense to ask for donations when you are supposed to have the HolyGrail which allows you to make a killing each time you visit a Casino. As if Jeff Bezos put a donation button on Amazon asking his visitors to contribute to the server cost. Your explanations are not valid and contradictory, exactly like your understanding of the Roulette Game. The only thing I understand from you is you don't like me because I make a fool of yourself each time you write on this forum and a self-loving pervert/malignant narcissist person like you can't stand it.
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I love the clarity of the image and the color. It does a fine job of making a point too.
     
  12. Mako

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    I have to admit the picture is well done...:D

    TG and Eddy aren't using negative progressions in the methods they're espousing on the board though...positive progressions only.
     
  13. delectus

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    A Holy Grail question : If someone says they have the HG how many spins
    would be needed to prove it and of course show some profit to prove that
    it really works?

    Would you agree the difficulty is to counter a losing streak. If someone
    found a way around this problem they would be on their way to the
    HG?

    What other practical problems are there apart from the theoretical
    nonsense?
     
  14. Jerome

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    How many numbers are you betting per spin? if it varies, what's the average? I need this info for a more accurate calculation.

    If you could somehow reduce the losing streaks enough then you could win using a progression. Big "if" though.

    Not getting banned?
     
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  15. delectus

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    Thanks Jerome for feed back.

    It would always be four numbers.

    I was looking through some of my old work books and came across some
    sets, that I just cannot remember ever creating and an idea occurred to
    me, that I could combine those sets with the ones I already use at the
    casino's. This would give me a total of 90 sets. A mammoth amount
    not practical to use in a casino, but just the ideal number to use for
    thousands of continuous spins.

    Of course they would have to be entered into a program and the reason
    why it would work is that for example if 3 11 14 17 was the leading
    set at least 2 or 3 out of the 90 sets would not be far behind. One
    would take the lead and this would continue ad infinitum. There would
    never be a long gap between hits. There are other advantages as well,
    but that's for a future project.

    I don't play on line so being banned won't be a problem.

    I don't have much time at present but will look at this and do some
    work on it. I will use Dr A A 1000 spins, i'm sure he wont mind lol.
     
  16. Jerome

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    Flat bet or progression?
     
  17. delectus

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    The way it should work is the betting process will be in two parts.

    If one set is in the lead and the next set makes both sets equal
    then the 10c comes into play. This will be flat betting.

    When there is a clear leading set, then the $1 comes into play.
    Each number in the set will have a progression.

    The idea is instead of a possible long losing run with $ bets the
    10c bets will continue the spins until there is a leading set again.

    The numbers for the 10c bets will be the last $ set to have a hit.
    They should produce some wins as often a catch up takes place.

    When the $ bets are used it could look like 1 3 2 1 = $7 bet
    The progression is on the 2nd & 3rd number. As soon as a
    set equals this stops and a 10c continues flat betting.
     
  18. Jerome

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    So here is one way of coming up with answer to this question, and keep in mind this applies to flat bets, not progressions. First the logic behind it; it's based on the Law of Large Numbers which basically says that over time, outcomes will approach the "theoretical" probability, whatever that may be. So for example the theoretical probability of a 4 number bet winning is 4/37 = 0.1081 to 4 decimal places, and if in 37 spins you do actually get 4 wins it means that the house edge has manifested over those 37 spins (you've lost). Similarly if you got 12 wins over 111 spins (3 cycles) the probability would be the same : 12/111 = 4/37.

    If you had 5 wins in the 37 spins your probability would be 5/37 = 0.1351 (you profited), and of course the computed probability could be any of a range of values, and from that probability you could deduce whether you won or lost, and this would work for a session of any length. But (and this is what the LLN says) : the more spins you take the closer the probability will get to 4/37. So your question amounts to asking : "how many spins do we need to make sure that the probability (number of wins divided by number of spins) really does get very close indeed to 4/37 (the expectation)?

    There is a formula to calculate this and it gives the answer (betting 4 numbers) as around 40,000 bets. Associated with this is a "degree of certainty" because we're talking about probabilities here, so it's not GUARANTEED that after 40,000 spins the ratio will be exactly 4/37; there is always a margin of error. But I used a degree of certainty of around 99%, which is good enough. This means that if you are betting 4 numbers per spin flat betting, after 40,000 bets there is a 99% chance that you will be losing (because the probability is right on expectation or very close to it). On the other hand, if you're in profit it means that EITHER you happen to be in that 1% OR that you have been using a bet selection which gives you an edge, and since for a "one off" trial it's overwhelmingly likely that you're in the 99% category, you probably do have an edge.

    So that's the "theoretical nonsense" way of working it out, lol. A more precise way would be to just simulate the system completely, including the progression. Actually I might do a simulation anyway, using flat bets, just to see how close the answer is to the theory.
     
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  19. delectus

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    Thanks Jerome, I will start a new thread, don't want to hijack someones HG thread lol.
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

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    Nexus,

    With a new thread keeping in mind to attract a generation who wants it " NOW".




    ND
     

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