Roulette Scams WARNING: The owner of the Top Roulette Forums, Steven George Hourmouzis, is a Convicted Scammer

Nothing like a debate between 2 guys arguing who is the more legitimate scammer, while still trying to stay in character in order to find more marks.

This is pure internet gold!

 

you can't debate someone like him

what goes on here is sad.....at times i cant believe what grown men do

 

I like your title Boz, how did you get that? Its not handed out lightly.

Ken

 

They do not give crayons to the special needs children anymore? sigh, this world is going to shit

 

WAITING for those posts/PMs from the RF site.

Ken

 

you are a special kind of stupid

 

Sure am....still WAITING.

Ken

 

I will leave you to whatever it is that you do

I just wanted to slap you around a little

 

Thats cool. You said "exposed"....could you post that info please? Thanks.

Ken

 

you have asked several times, so I guess. in its own sense of the word, you are a fraud. how so? you were close enough to steve to open up, when you were a mod. when you were called out and demoted thats when the shenanigans over here started.

you are sore, very sore.

i dont particularly care who gets upset that i posted this, you asked several times when i tried to let it go
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"Which part was "exposed"? Could you post it here for us, thanks buddy.

Ken
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No no no, please POST how I was exposed. The floor is yours sir!!
Ken
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WAITING for those posts/PMs from the RF site.

Ken"
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I first knew of Ken when I joined Gambler's Glen forum. In fact I think GG was the first forum I ever posted at, and that was only because some nut was telling lies about me (Mark Howe). In retrospect I shouldn't have wasted the time responding, considering one new lie was made after another. As usual, the people attacking me had no interest in facts or the truth. The intent was purely malicious.

Anyway, at GG I had no interest in Ken but he started attacking me without having any idea about anything. Mostly he just called me names like "scammer" while professing his own success at roulette. I sometimes responded to his nonsense but mostly he just followed me around the forum trolling and calling me names, while I was defending myself against malicious lies. It has always been that way - I have no desire to attack anyone. Why bother? I just refute nonsense and explain people's motives to defend myself. That tends to upset them, so they attack me more. But in knowing that, still generally I wont let people lie without any response.

Ken mostly argued with Caleb (general, herb, snowman etc) because Ken would brag about how great his systems were. And Caleb would explain why Ken's approaches lost. Later on, they stopped arguing mainly because Ken relaxed a little. Now Ken tends to "pamper" Caleb's ego. I think because Ken is just just glad Caleb stopped making him look foolish.

Anyhow, Ken followed me to other forums including mine, and tended to create a lot of trouble with other members. He has always been arguing with people - wherever he goes.

My opinion of Ken at this stage was he's a bit of a "dickhead". The internet is full of them. Other than that, I didn't think about him.

I was looking for a new forum moderator, and he said he could do a good job. Well after all his ranting and complaining about other moderators, I decided to give him a shot. I expected the worst that could happen is he doesn't do a good job and he's removed as moderator.

For some time he was a reasonable moderator. It must have been years. He removed obvious spam, which is not hard to do. And mostly he did what was needed. But some problems were:

* He was always in conflict with people, and pushing away productive members. Especially when a member like this is also a moderator, it makes the forum unappealing to many.

* He often didn't understand the fine line between when to moderate posts, and appropriate steps to take. Basically to allow free speech, without accepting crap. Turner understands this quite well and his in own words called it "pub rules". Ultimately Ken would over-moderate and bully people. And he acted as if being a moderator would give him immunity from honest criticism.

* He sometimes abused his powers to win arguments

I spoke privately with him about some of the issues, and tried to keep an eye on things. My opinion of him at stage was basically that he had become a friend. We spoke about personal issues and whatever. I came to understand he has a lot of personal baggage and issues. I didn't hold that against him though, and offered my support advice - as friends do.

I came to understand he is an emotional and unstable guy, with some strange views. There were lots of little signs. Like one time (at band camp), he told me if I wanted to upset a person who smoked that I should say they smoked "girl cigarettes". Why? Because he believed it would harm the ego of this person and play with their head. Yes, he really said this. And yes, he was serious. There's much more. He didn't seem to be "all there". But he usually meant well, unless you upset him - and then he'd be desperate to upset you in any way. He had problems behaving especially on other forums.

Although he mostly behaved on this forum, I received many complaints about him from forum members. About his behavior towards members, and biased moderation. I spoke to Ken when needed, and he attempted to fix problems.

But after some time, Ken's behavior became even more erratic and unstable. He was involved in more conflict than usual. He was losing it at the smallest things. He complained that people were attacking him, but he didn't understand he attacked others first, and they just responded.

Then the reason became clear when he posted this in the moderator section:



We supported Ken and gave advice. It's not a nice thing to go through. And when members continued to complain about him, I supported Ken. I was sometimes accused of being biased towards protecting Ken. I tried not to be though. I listened to people's complaints and spoke to Ken, and he agreed to more carefully watch his behavior.

Ken posted this at another forum:



So we were on good terms with each other. But his behavior towards others was a continuing problem.

Here's a post from a mod at another forum. There are many other examples, but his already serious problems became even worse. He clearly had personal problems and was attacking many people. Go to any forum Ken is at (that's he's still allowed at) and he'll still be in some kind of conflict.



At this time, he continued to be moderator here, despite still causing problems and wasting my time to defend him.

Then one day I noticed he removed a massive amount of posts from the forum. Maybe he wasn't aware I can see deleted material, but I found he removed posts that made him look "foolish". Basically he was abusing his powers to win arguments. He removed parts that especially contradicted things he said, and could have been used against him.

I immediately removed Ken as moderator and spoke to him privately about it. He may have personal problems, but it's no excuse. He then went to another forum and posted this:



I didn't care he was lying. It didn't really matter. Ken creates problems in his own life, then complains about them while making it even worse. And I'm not just talking about his girlfriend. I still felt sorry for him.

So at this stage, Ken became a regular member here. He wasn't moderator anymore, so his conflict got even worse with people. He was not contributing anything valuable to the forum. Almost every post of his involved negativity and conflict. He complained to me about members attacking him. And I explained that he was his own problem. I also explained that:

* He needed to report any breach of rules (attacks) by using the "report post" function. He should have known that's the best way to notify moderators because we don't read every single post.

* He needed to understand that his snide comments towards others is an attack. He was attacking people, then complaining that he was being attacked back.

Honestly it was like separating fighting kids. I asked involved people to back up and calm down. It was a big waste of everyone's time. But I very carefully monitored the situation to see exactly who was stepping over the line.

In the end, I saw that even when others had calmed down, Ken was the primary agitator. And he was not listening to reason. In any normal case, I would have just banned him. But I understood his personal problems. Still I was in a difficult position because he was causing lots of trouble, while complaining that people attacked him. He failed to see he caused the conflict in the first place. And that if it were to stop, he'd need to behave himself too. The key factor here is even when others behaved, he continued. As per his post I published, he was even aware he was bringing his baggage to the forum.

Anyway, in trying to make the right decision, I dont have time to read every post, so I dont know everything going on. Specifically I dont always know for sure who the troublemakers are. From what I saw, RG and Ken were in some ways as bad as each other. But I felt when RG stopped, Ken seemed to usually be the one who kept going. It wasn't always the case, but mostly Ken was the problem.

So to get a better understanding of the situation, I asked members to let me know if they thought anyone here should be banned. Basically I wanted member feedback. In the end, not one member thought anyone should be banned. But Ken immediately assumed he would inevitably be banned. So he then started backstabbing me on other forums, calling me names and sending abusive PMs etc. It was a real slap in the face especially after everything I had done for Ken including allow him to prove himself as a mod, and constantly supporting him when other members hated him, and even being a friend to him. I didn't want to ban him, so i asked him as a matter of respect, that he stopped posting at my forum. I just didn't want anything to do with him anymore. He refused to leave, and continued to cause trouble here, while attacking me on other forums. So my only option left was to ban him.

He was constantly attacking members here and disrupting the forum. And he was constantly attacking me on other forums. He left me no choice.

The result of all this is he is spamming hateful and blatant lies about me on other forums. For years he defended me from these same lies, telling people I was honest. And now he's spamming the blatant lies.

He knows the information he's posting is nonsense. He does not care. His intentions are purely malicious.

Based on what he said and images he posted, he believes I "betrayed" him. In fact, he did it all to himself but finds it easier to blame others for his mistakes.

For as long as I can remember, Ken has lurked on forums and they've been a big part of his life. And now to be banned from the main forum for his favorite game, I guess he feels I'm responsible for taking that part of his life away. Really it's silly. It's just a forum. But he has taken it hard, despite him doing it all to himself. I suppose his fall from a moderator position is humiliating for him. And he feels like I'm responsible. No Ken, you did it all.

As it is now, Ken can barely go a day without mentioning me on other forums. He re-posts blatant lies about me from other people like Mark Howe. He is particularly desperate to harm me in any way with no known limit. He even resorted to posting private addresses and attacks on my family.

Ken's inquiry to buy a roulette computer

Ken likes to consider himself an honest person. He's honest about some things. But when it comes to matters of pride and ego, honesty isn't a consideration. Neither is any form of integrity. I could give many examples, but here's one.

Since Ken started attacking me and my roulette computers, I reminded everyone he once inquired about buying a computer. This implied that he wasn't doing well at roulette, and that he knew he was lying about me and my computers being a scam. A member reminded Ken of this, and Ken lost the plot.

In response, Ken said it was a lie and that he never inquired about buying a roulette computer. And he said he'd create a lie about the member who said this. And he did. The lie was that the member secretly once claimed they were charged for molesting a child. It was so vile that even the admin of an uncensored forum had to remove it. As I understand, this is the second time Ken made this claim against someone on a forum. There's absolutely no truth to it. And it goes to show Ken's state of mind.

There's much more I could explain about Ken's character, and many old posts he might not like me to bring up. But I don't have the time. Unless he really wants me to.

Here are the conversations with Ken about computers. They show his original posts and my responses. I originally agreed to keep it private, but considering the malicious attacks against the member and myself, publishing these is justified:

Ken's messages are in the quotes below my response (red box). And keep in mind Ken flat denied ever inquiring about buying a computer. He said it was all a lie. And he calls me and the member a liar.



Then a few months later he asks again:



There's more to the conversation but these are the main parts (there are also some other conversations of interest, if he wants)

Spreading blatant lies about a forum admin that rightfully banned you, and even attacking his family is bad enough. But spreading malicious lies about someone being a convicted child molester is as bad as it gets. It just goes to show the member really hit the spot because it exposed Ken as a lying fraud. It showed he knows he's lying about me. It also showed that he was lying about being successful with his "methods".

I also have old messages from Ken admitting he was losing at roulette. Among other things he said he was getting his "ass kicked" by roulette. It's not important but does show that while Ken tells everyone he wins consistently and calls everyone else a "rookie", Ken is just talk.


Ken:

* Be more careful about who you attack.

* Take responsibility for your own actions. Stop blaming others. In words you can understand: BE A MAN

* Your attacks against me are childish rants. I'm fully aware publishing this information will aggravate you. But fortunately I'm used to far worse attacks and don't care enough.

* When you began attacking me, I explained I'm not interested. I tried to calm you down but you only responded with name calling and more attacks against me.

For your own sake, you need to understand how pathetic you are being. Attacking a forum admin, who was among your only friends, when you gave him no choice. Now you resort to cutting and pasting blatant lies and twisted nonsense, and why? To try and upset me for revenge. You need to look at yourself. You are your problem and if you're not man enough to see and fix it, you'll sink deeper.

The great thing is you can change any second. You can wake up to yourself. Be honest with yourself. My money is on you sinking even deeper into the abyss. That's what I've known you to do to yourself for years.

You will continue to delude yourself about how everyone else is the problem.

You will continue to twist reality in your own head about what happened.

You will maintain this intense hatred and blame others for your failure. And even when you forget about me, you will find someone else to target, perhaps never understanding you are your problem.

You know what you are doing is malicious and dishonest. You don't care. You are unaware of how you make your own reality hell. I dont hate you Ken. I just want nothing to do with you.

At the end of it all when you realize who you've hurt most with wasted time and self-destructive emotion, ask yourself if it was worth it. The last person to dedicate their life to harming me ended up accusing me of ruining their life. And I did nothing but refute lies and explain their motives. They imploded their own lives, and blamed me for it. For as long as I've known you, you've been blaming the world - never looking at yourself.

My sincere advice to you is:

* Recognize you are your own problem. You probably already know this to some extent, but find it easier to blame others.

* Understand we all make mistakes. But we can all change at any second. It's actually really easy to just let go and be glad to change, and make yourself better. You are in full control.

* This intense hatred you have towards many people is a serious problem. It creates even more hatred like a loop, and you'll keep getting worse. Stop taking everything so seriously. Actually try understanding and love, as gay as it might sound. Just for one day, try letting go of the ego and learn to appreciate you already have everything you need. And the capacity to change anything you want is always there.

* Get regular exercise and eat healthier. You'll feel far better. Your serotonin would be low.

* Set some goals and get a sense of achievement.

* Stop wasting time and focusing on other people. Focus on your own life.

* Ditch your cheating girlfriend. Don't go on that cruise with her. You can never repair a relationship like that. It will just slowly destroy you.

* Having a jihad on me or anyone is not something to be proud of. You are wasting your life. Are you really proud of being a liar? I'll never get into a full scale war with you because I don't care enough. But do you really want to tempt me to post more?

Now sure, have your rant about what a scammer I am. Make up new lies. Try new things to get at me. There's no stopping that. And if you get frustrated that I dont seem to give a crap, go over the top and see where it gets you. If on the other hand you actually stop and apologize to me, then kudos to you. It's much harder to admit mistakes because it might feel humiliating. But in the long run you'll get much more respect for having the balls.

 

Which part is EXPOSED? (lol) I am actually a woman? I have never been to a casino? I own three roulette computer devices? Can you break it down to a few mind blowing sentences.....me being "exposed" or at the very least, look up what the word MEANS or change your thoughts.

Ken

 

?? Nobody will be upset. Upset from what?

Ken

 

I knew that my days at RF.cc were numbered. I kept my best winning and less losing methods to myself and that`s the way it shall always be.

I shall leave the teaching to Scoblete, Tamburin . Patrick, Bethell , Snyder , Morton , etc.

The above mentioned authors are given only as an example and not as an endorsement.

 

Good move Nate. Everything over there combined is not worth a squirt of your best piss.

Ken

 

(rofl)......from Proofreader >> Mr. J (people know the backstory on him). Thats the second (and you RG) VAGUE VAGUE VAGUE statement (exposed was first). Too funny. I am still looking for specifics RG.

Dont copy/paste, tell it like it is.

"Ken said he liked pizza but in last weeks post, he said he hates pizza". GOT HIM!!!!

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG (lol).

I find it funny thats all, no biggie. At least I can make a list as to why goofs like RouletteGhost, Scammer Steve, Turncoat Turner, Proofreader etc. are fuckin loons. I can spell it out without being VAGUE about it. I guess my standards are a bit high.

Ken

 

Regarding Steve I'm Kavouras, can I prove it? Hell no!
I already start feeling like double-splitted personality!:-D HaHaHa

 

its been long time to post here , and i really dont unserstand why so much publicity for that guy

 

I apologize for disrupting the forum. I'm simply responding to false allegations on the multiple threads permitted by the admin.

The manipulative nonsense about me on this website is from people with ulterior motives. Don't expect them to be honest. I have already responded to the irrelevant and inaccurate claims on my website. You could waste days reading it all, and still not know the truth about what matters most.

Easier ways to verify facts FOR YOURSELF about the relevant matters are below:


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For the ROULETTE SYSTEM (advantage play methods)
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• Read my free course. It better explains "advantage play" and includes various free systems you can test: (link forbidden by admin)

• Test my software for yourself (full version for 7-days). Validation can't be more direct: (link forbidden by admin)

• Google "advantage play" and "roulette wheel physics". Also research "casino game protection". What casinos do to protect themselves gives clues about what worries them, and what really works.

• Call or visit me personally, even if only to better understand me.

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For the ROULETTE COMPUTERS
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• Test my free roulette computer on any wheel you want. You can test from home on your PC. It's completely free: (link forbidden by admin)

• See an in-person or live webcam demo on any wheel you want. Do whatever testing you want in a full day: (link forbidden by admin)

• Attend a free public group demo. I openly address and refute false allegations. Everyone sees for themselves. Register interest to attend: (link forbidden by admin)

• See independent test results of my computers: I sent a free computer to an independent and unbiased tester chosen by the public. They validated my claims. See their report: (link forbidden by admin)

• See a recording of a previous public group demo where over +120% edge was demonstrated: (link forbidden by admin)

• Aim a webcam at any wheel via Skype (including live online casinos), and I'll predict the spins with my computers. We can do this for a whole day on any wheel you want. Request a demo: (link forbidden by admin)

• Watch numerous secretly recorded videos of real casino sessions from players (with player permission). You even see the roulette computer's software track the wheel location with computer vision technology, and automatically track the ball and green zero, then predict the spins. See details: (link forbidden by admin)

• Watch LIVE video of a real casino session with our players (requires the player's permission first). See details: (link forbidden by admin)

• Join my private teams and pay me $0.00 up-front. Pay only based on the performance of the computers: (link forbidden by admin)

Take these simple options, then the false allegations against me count for nothing.



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• There's much more information at a website I created specifically to address all nonsense about me and my technology. The admin here wont allow the links or videos mentioned above, so email me via my website for the links.

• Negative material about me is extremely manipulative. Serious players do proper research like the above - it makes knowing the important facts simple. But if you prefer wasting time with irrelevant trash, understand some of it is blatantly false. And some is an elaborate distortion of the truth. I have already responded to it all in detail. I dont have time to waste re-typing it. Find my responses via Google (my links are censored here). I may not read or respond to further posts here, so please don't ask me questions here.

• The original member here who attacked me (IHeartRoulette) appeared to be the owner of gamblingforums, discrediting me to promote his competing forum. The admin removed evidence from the threads (censorship). Then he labelled me a "compulsive liar", which is itself a lie. I could post more, but it would only be censored again and I don't have time.