Roulette Scams WARNING: The owner of the Top Roulette Forums, Steven George Hourmouzis, is a Convicted Scammer

I stick by my answer. You are a scammer and your computer is a piece of shit. You know it and I know it. My guess is you don't have $80,000 to your name. The good news is your not alone, looks like there are others like you out there dreaming of finding just one sucker to pay them for their winning system. But great job working on all the answers for that sucker in advance. Keep dreaming, maybe he is out there.

 

Boz, thankyou, for your educated and intelligent response.

 

Admin, ok very well. Also check your pm.

 

On that we can agree! And Thank You for today's laugh. Hopefully this forum does not become a haven for scammers and crooks like yourself.

 

Boz you've made yourself look like an idiot. So has Angelo to whoever properly reads and researches everything I've said. I doubt you're laughing.

But yeah ok i'm a crook and scammer. You win.

 

Keep trying and dreaming, that sucker is out there! Never lose the dream that all the work you put into trying to make your scam look legit will pay off.

 

It's to my understanding the tests are limited and certain information is left out. I think there's some hoops one must go through in order to test. Some kind of deposit or something as well.

I'm asking that one of the many respected notable gamblin experts or whatever you want to call them do the testing. IE Someone like Anthony Curtis or Richard Munchkin etc etc. Someone who can actually test this on a roulette wheel in action. The numbers you're boasting about are substantial 20%+ advantages that advantage would show up very quickly and there would be very little dispute if it works.

I'm not even saying this can't or doesn't work. I just wonder why someone would sell this and not just use it themselves or pay someone to do it. Especially if it's legal in some places.

 

Axel, firstly thankyou for having a level head and reasonable approach.

If either of the two people wanted to do testing, I'd be happy to test with them. But it wouldn't matter WHO did testing to many people, because some people may claim I somehow paid them off. Many people just need to see for themselves. And the easiest way to do that is with the free trial computer. It's explained at www.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/ (there is no cost or special requirement). And anyone can request the addition of a new wheel to test on.

Also I have already conducted many public demonstrations. I've even conducted live webcam demonstrations. See one of the live in-person demos with many attendees below. It's a +120% edge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUqjvSvEnX8

I already explained I do use the computers myself. I manage teams of my own players AND sell some units (for a justified price). It's not like my best technology is $49.95. It's US$80,000.

Again it's all explained on my websites. It is easy to raise questions and doubts for someone who hasn't taken the time to review everything.

I've done public demos on any wheel, given my computers for testing, hired an independent physicist, have a free trial and provided even more proof. There is really nothing left for me to do to prove basic physics and well-designed equipment can achieve an edge. It's really not rocket science. Isn't a +120% edge in a public and recorded demo that anyone can attend, and a free trial anyone can test proof enough?

Anthony is a blackjack player, but he would understand basic edge. Richard isnt a roulette expert either. But anyway it really doesnt take an expert in anything to see the edge is real. And like I said, it wouldnt matter WHO witnessed it, because many people need to see and experience it for themselves. That's why I do the public demos, live webcam demos, and the free trial.

 

Can I ask about how many you have actually sold? How many people pay to see the demo but dont actually buy one? 80k seem like a stiff price(yes if it works it's could be a baran for the right people) but $500 seems like a reasonable price to see this in action. Perhaps someone without 80k comes just to look and see for themselves in hopes it works as promised so they can try to talk some investors into fronting the money. Me being a cynic would wonder if you try price them so high knowing people won't purchase one(but if they do you score), however you can make a fair amount of money just doing demonstrations.

Are the units programmed for each specific wheel or can they be used on just about any roulette wheel (yes i understand some wheels are harder to beat than others)

My skepticism. Assuming a 20% edge and If it were me, and I was willing to use one or have others play for me I would want as little attention to this as possible. It seems to me every jurisdiction would quickly do everything they could to change the laws regarding the use of something like this.

 

• There are 6 full Hybrid purchasers, and in each case I know the player well. There are a lot more Uber an Lite computer players. I usually have 1 Hybrid team per suitable jurisdiction (my "pay as you go" teams) explained at www.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/

• The $500 is just to cover my time and venue hire. If a player cancels the booking, then I lose my deposit with the venue. The $500 is refundable if I don't show you what I agreed to show you. ie clear edge on modern wheel in common conditions, in a matter required to profit. No I wouldn't make any money from $500 demonstrations. I would actually lose money because of venue hire, but most of all wasted time.

• About 1 in 10 who visit don't actually buy. But of these, most will buy at a later time.

• Yes a lot of people want to see and then later get investors. If I know this is the case, I ask that the investor see it for themselves, because they are making the decision. It is a requirement that any "full hybrid purchaser" visit me and see EVERYTHING. Why? Because it is no small purchase, and they need to know exactly what they're getting. Buyers of the other computers don't need to visit me personally.

• Each computer can be calibrated for any wheel, but it doesnt mean all computers can beat all wheels. For a comparison of all my roulette computers, see www.roulette-computers.com/comparison2.htm - the exception is the free trial computer which is calibrated only for the wheels in the uploaded videos, and the user cannot change calibration settings.

• Yeah you'd think casinos would be more paranoid, but the reality is they already know about roulette computers - especially from the Ritz players who won millions. I'm quite open about my less effective versions, but I dont release much important information about the Hybrid. Frankly many casino staff are ignorant and uneducated, and it suits me fine. It is partially because they have tested basic computers and think the wheels are unbeatable.

 

iam banned from cc becoz i ... attempt to sell systems ,it seemed that only steve had this right , and u know what makes me crazy with this guy? he always try to convice others that NO roulette system could works long term, but just .. his computers.. the only thing i have to point out here is that ANYONE here that he claims roulette CAN not be beaten ,is a big liar

i also have used video poker computer and i know how risky it is , and it was a long time ago , just imagine .. in 2016 , sometimes u ll risk your life !! no jokes , this thing it cant be legal everywhere in the world , if u re get caught u ll have serious problem , hidden ... or not...

all those things , these devices, can work only at the very first times , after taking them too much forget it , they draw all their attention ,and u have no hope , i ve done it and i know ,all these things can not last for long , thats for sure .

 

Petespin, You are allowed to sell systems on my forums, subject to these rules:

* Sell only in the Systems For Sale section. Thats why I created it.

* Dont try luring people to private chats to sell. Why? Because thats what scammers do, so experienced members arent able to advise and protect less experienced members. Im not saying you were scamming people. The rules exist to protect members. I wont allow my forums to be used for scams.

You would have broken one of these simple and fair rules.

Also I never said only computers can win. I have said you need to increase odds of winning, one way or another. Why? Because if you dont, then the payouts are still unfair for the odds. Read what I keep saying. How many times have I said it? I dont expect everyone likes the idea of physics or roulette computers, and I dont much care what anyones preference is.

I dont care if you sell anything. But to maintain a healthy and safe forum I need to enforce basic rules.

Yes winnings are limited by what you can win discretely. But easily we can take $5000 in a short time without drawing any undue attention. In some casinos, much more. Some teams can routinely do $30k per week as they switch between casinos and rotate team members.

 

Can you tell us appropriately how many casinos this is legal in. Not counting places where if you get caught you might not live.

Also in the places where it is supposedly not illegal if your caught with such device will the confiscate it?

Has anyone been caught with one, if so what happened?

Same question but in a jurisdiction where it's illegal?

Are there any laws regarding selling or advertising them in the USA?

What's to keep people from buying one and reproducing it and selling them for less?

 

How the heck does one schlepp( carry) all that computer equipment into a live casino along with an entourage of team p;layers. The casino cats will smell a rat.

 

Great way to end up in jail, but I'm sure this scammer has an answer for it. If he had a $1 for every answer he has, he wouldn't have to try and fuck suckers out of their money.

Anyone with a bit of common sense knows that the odds of finding a wheel that can be clocked are rare and any brain dead PB will be all over a wheel where someone is winning making sure the spins are random. Yes, it really is that simple.

He is selling the dream nothing more, but more power to him if someone falls for it. The 80K price tag is a great marketing tool, lucky for the sucker he can get in for less after careful screening, lol. Because he is "special".

 

Any sharp player can chose a special number and adds 4 consecutive ones on each side thus having formed a 9 number neighbor section .


For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk .

 

(The following is taken from another roulette customer Steven Hourmouzis scammed several years ago. This content was originally posted on http://www.zyworld.com/Bago/Stefano_Hourmouzis_Scam.htm. The author is European and English is not his first language.)




The Genuinewinner Scam

The goal of this website is to expose an expensive scam, to protect uninformed people and at the same occasion, saving them a lot of money.


NEWS:Absolutely certain that my website reflects the truth about the scammer Steven Georges Hourmouzis (Genuinewinner.com), I've challenged the crook for a play against an online casino on August 2010. Indeed, it is advertised that his system alone can earn 30K a week, and that he challenges anyone with a 100K reward if the challenger can prove his system is worthless.

That's what I've done, and since all this time, Mr Hourmouzis (Genuinewinner) is hiding in his hut without grass around (lol) pretexting he does not have time to play! (maybe working hardly in the garden, there is work!..)

Problem is it is a bad excuse because on August 16th 2010, he wrote to me with a screenshot showing a 4,466 units won with a fun account:

"Tony, you just really dont know, it's strange. 6x bankroll is not a problem.the wheel is easy to beat. I'm just waiting for snowman to respond about being able to login without a proxy.I dont need to cheat, you are just stupid. I cant wait"

LoL, you bet he can wait, 3 YEARS HAVE PASSED!. What a crying pussy, what a big shit scammer ( Genuinewinner) !!! In 1 week, he can certainly rise up his bankroll with PHOTOSHOP (like he has done with all his screenshots section "proof" on his website ( Genuinewinner.com) (lol), but certainly NOT with his system!!!

CLEAR AS ROCK WATER



So, how can you know a computer predicts accurately or not? This is pretty simple, and it is not done by comparing the prediction with the final outcome. Why? Because to predict the final outcome accurately, the computer must know the average ball bounce which is unknown when Stefano makes his predictions. From the start to the end, the predictions he is getting concerns where the strike point (number below the striked diamond or the number directly hit on the rotor by the ball) will occur. The video is the demonstration of how good (but in this case bad) the algorythms calculating the deceleration of the wheel and the ball performs.

I've done the job for you. This graph shows the difference between Stefano's 7,500$ Roulette Computer Predictions and the Strike Point, which is what matters.


As you can realize from the chart above, the predictions are completely RANDOM, but Stefano does not have scruple, selling this shit for 7,500$. The only use you can obtain from his computer is an alarm bell, which would be useful to wake up early in the morning, because you will need to work in fact if you intended to earn a living with this random number generator.

First column is the predictions from Stefano's Computer. Second column is the number located below the strike point.

Watch the video and see my calculations are
100% correct.



Keep in mind Stefano's demonstration is made under very good conditions:

-Prediction announced lately at around 6 seconds before the ball drops. Therefore the ball clicks are accurate since the later in the spin, the slower the ball revolves.

-The wheel speed is very slow and consistant at around 6 seconds per revolution. This prevents wheel timing error.(Easier to see Zero passing reference diamond, and as the wheel spins slowly, accurate timings can be done).

Despite all those favourable conditions that are not possible to find in the real Casino environment, Stefano Hourmouzis' computer is unable to calculate accurately the fall off point of the ball.



First and foremost, Stefano made a complaint to my host to have the video of his ENTIRE QUALIFICATION DVD deleted (not Half like he is dishonestly saying).

He is complaining because he is very embarassed about it, showing clearly to anyone who knows Roulette Prediction Basics that he is a fat scammer. As my host refused, he is, not surprisingly, LYING like a FOOL, because it is the only way he gets to convince uninformed people to buy his ineffective and expensive computer.

Let's again expose his lies:

-Stefano is showing us, what he calls a HIGH POINT (Close to prediction) starting at jump count 33 to jump count 3. This is a 8 pockets sector that for him constitute the HIGH POINT.

-Stefano is showing us now what he calls a LOW POINT (not close to prediction), starting at jump count 14 to jump count 21. Again a 8 pockets sector that for him constitute the LOW POINT.

Let's count the number of times the ball hits at the HIGH POINT(close to prediction), in the 8 pockets sector: 14 TIMES.

Let's count the number of times to ball hits at the LOW POINT(far from prediction), in the 8 pockets sector: 14 TIMES.

I wonder if Stefano THINKS before posting such silliness, he must be so upset to be toasted and there is absolutely no doubt he is a scammer since he does not even know what he is talking about.



This is the new graph Stefano the fat scammer is displaying on his message board. Contrary to what the baldness fat pig is saying, there are actually 54 values on the graph. He does not know counting and dares to call me stupid (LOL). There are 21 values (Red) and 33 values (Green), for a total of 54 spins.

He calls me dishonest because i used a eight pockets sector! LOL He is the one who pointed arrows at jump count 33 to jump count 3, which has 14 hits, saying it is the High point in the graph.

He also pointed jump count 17 saying it was the low point, so to compare we had to use also a eight pockets sector from this point, and unfortunately for our fat scammer, it ALSO has 14 hits, but calls that the low point of the graph.

So, now for his defense, he is saying you have to bet on 19 numbers to have an edge! Again LOL, no VB experts in the World would do this, because it annihilate your edge. It is well known to have the greatest edge possible, you have to bet on around 3-7 pockets sector MAXIMUM, because if you wider your betting sector, you are ACTUALLY BETTING ON NEGATIVE EDGE POCKETS. To maximize and to have a REAL edge, the VB player needs to bet on the TOP OF THE PEAK.

Therefore, not only betting 19 pockets lower your edge to a point you can't know if the results are really genuine or random, it is also impossible to bet 19 numbers on the table when you are playing Visual Balistic, because you have only 6-8 seconds left before the ball lands.

Only Stefano the illuminati and scammer tells you to do that, he is completely RETARD and you can easily realize how manipulative and LIAR he becomes when he is toasted and proven to be a fat pig conman.

(33/54)*100= 61,1% (Stefano's computer playing 19 pockets) hit rate %.
(19/37)*100= 51,35% (Result of randomness).

So over an hundred spins, playing 19 numbers with Stefano's computer you get less than 10 extra hits, which is absolutely unsignificant and really close to randomness. With a second hand wheel, constant very slow rotor speed and late predictions, IT IS A SHAME!!!. It's like playing red colour for 100 spins and getting 10 extra hits. A little lucky grandmother sitting next to you would do better than you playing the same way and without using any 7,500$ product. It does not take a genius to realize you will achieve a 1/37 hit rate in the modern Casino conditions. If you are a newbie, I suggest you visit a Casino and you will see for yourself Stefano's DVD has nothing to do with it. You will have to deal with faster wheel speeds, resulting in clocking errors when Zero passes reference diamond, thus predictions will be far poorer, the ball scatter more dispersed, and the ball deceleration not brutal like in this DVD.

Again take in mind, the testing video is made under very good conditions, Stefano still denies it, but anyone who visited a Casino in his life knows he lies because:

-He is getting his predictions very late (6 seconds before ball drops).

-He is consistantly and deliberatly spinning the wheel at 6 seconds per revolution, avoiding wheel speed error in clocking, despite that, his computer's predictions completely SUCKS.

-The ball scatter is not showing a crazy bouncing ball, quite the contrary, the ball
scatter is EASY predictable, but for Stefano's computer it is too much random!.


To expose this other lie from our crook, let's analyse the ball scatter in the video:



Stefano claims the results on his computer's prediction chart are good, pretexting the wheel and ball are hard to predict (difficult conditions). As you can realize, the ball used is FAR from being unpredictable, it is an easy ball, considering the small amount of spins we charted and the already WELL DEFINED peak emerging.

So for the beginners, this chart shows the distance in pockets, between where the ball hits (number below the striked diamond or number directly striked on the rotor) and where the ball lands.

If Stefano's computer was effective, the chart would be close to that. Meaning his computer can accurately predicts the deceleration of the wheel and ball to know at which point the ball will fall. EVEN with what he claims, his computer should obtain a BETTER SCATTER since he claims that his computer CAN, NOT ONLY PREDICTS WHICH DIAMOND THE BALL WILL HIT, BUT ALSO THE PART OF THE DIAMOND!!!(Top, Middle, Bottom).

I refer you to the first chart showing how bad Stefano's 7500$ computer predicts the fall off point of the ball, his computer cannot predict the striked diamond at all, so let him dream stand up that his computer can predict the part of the striked diamond!. What a fucking scammer really.



MORE ABOUT STEFANO HOURMOUZIS (Real name: Steven Georges Hourmouzis) Genuinewinner.com

1) He already has a criminal past. He scammed people with stock market, promoting Rentench stock, promising people who would invest in it, enormous profits. That was of course a LIE, and he shut his mouth facing the judge. When you read his website, it is another story, he claims he is innocent, that all the promotion and lies were accidentals. What a fucking liar, he wrote an email to his fraudulent partner: "This is illegal but I like it. Just don't mention anything to anyone about anything until we purchase the stock and always keep our true identity very concealed."




2) He claims his criminal past has nothing to do with his roulette research and products. You bet it is exactly the same fraudulent activity, he just changed his focus, from stock market to Roulette.

The big proof that Stefano never answers and is ashamed about is the website: www.roulettesystemreviews.com

It is well known that around 2 years ago, this website designed to review Roulette Systems was presented as absolutely impartial and honest in the reviews since the author of this website was presented as someone who purchased a lot of systems and reviewing and rating them with also people opinions. What made rang the Alarm Bell to people was the fact Both Stefano's system and computer were rated with FULL STARS, THE TOP, THE BEST!, whereas it was very well known that his system is a scam and was circulating for free since year 2004.

So, a lot of people investigated, and thanks to the WHOIS tool, they made complaint to the host of the website since the author of the website, who was still in the shadow, was in fact STEFANO HOURMOUZIS IN PERSON!. After that, poor exposed criminal Stefano had to delete the wonderful reviews he was giving to himself. Now you can read on this website that "This is the author product, not rated".

As you can see, when i expose this deep shit scammer for what he is, he calls me a manipulator for exposing poor scatter analysis of HIMSELF APPLYING HIS OWN PRODUCT. By the way, he has not understood that the scatter IS NOT ABOUT THE PREDICTION AND WHERE THE BALL LANDS, IT IS ABOUT HIS PREDICTIONS AND WHERE THE BALL STRIKES THE ROTOR. AND YES 54 SPINS IS LARGELY ENOUGH SINCE THERE IS NOTHING RANDOM WITH THIS SORT OF ANALYSIS, HE IS A NEWBIE SERIOUSLY.

In a nutshell, exposing smartly this conman with his videos and what his computer achieves is manipulative, only because the results are BAD. But when Stefano, for YEARS, was self-rating his own system and computer as the best there is on the internet, it is ok, no manipulation. LOL

3) Mark Anthony Howe, a roulette computer designer who shares, like many others, the same opinion about Stefano the scammer, had the clever idea to trap Stefano's wife on FaceBook to know the truth about Stefano's life style. How did Mark succeed in obtaining confidential informations?. He stole the identity of Cheryl, who is one good friend of Stefano's wife (Kylie). Read the following emails Mark (Cheryl) exchanged with Stefano's wife (Kylie), and you will be somewhat shocked, like many
others felt:

There are other parts of the emails exchange, but it is already very embarrasing for our so called Multi Millionnaire Stefano Hourmouzis, who is in fact an ordinary man, promoting his scams over the internet to earn a living...

Thanks to his wife, all his outrageous claims fall appart, from the effectiveness of his system and computer, to the world profit split teams. Indeed, if it was the case, he would not live in such a small house with poor furniture inside, garden not finished, hahaha.




Here i present you his multi-millionnaire living Room:



What a coincidence, on the left we can see the exact same white curtains from the outside. The flat screen is also similar to the one he uses on his videos. The carpet is also the same. It does not take a genius that it is in his home that Stefano is conducting his scam, he has no offices or labs like he claims.

After that big exposure, he said that it is not where he lives, he is supposed to rent this house. Yes, like me, you are wondering how he is renting a house where his wife, roulette wheel, cat, dog and baby are living...




Yes, you are right Kylie, baby Riley has more hair than his baldness father Stefano the pig. Also you can see on the sofa one of the cat rolling on Stefano's 15 years old John Huxley wheel.





The lies do not stop there. In addition to lying about his life style, he is blatantly lying on his website. One example is the fact he claims that the demonstrations on his conference are done by affiliates, partners (Yes, he want you to believe that he has a big profit split team all over the World). This is another lie, Stefano is alone with his scam, no one wants to partner with such a fraudster, who will eventually ends up AGAIN to JAIL.

Someone has saved (fortunately) the content of Stefano's interesting page where he claimed a partner
was demonstrating:




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You can realize easily this is the same person demonstrating his device. You will tell me it is hard to say
who it is when the face is in the fog, but let genius Bago shows you the undisputable proof it is STEFANO IN PERSON AGAIN! LOL




Pay close attention to the Green T-Shirt with the white dragon. Yes you don't dream, Stefano is using the same T-shirt for sleeping with his wife in bed and for doing his roulette demonstration to large audience, LOL.

Our multi-millionnaire cannot afford several T-Shirts, cannot afford to have his garden finished, as you have been able to see on the Street View, and like Kylie wrote, his garden is virgin, there is no grass at all. But Kylie, don't blame too much the little SUCKING PIG, he cannot work in the garden and at the same time trying to make an effective device!. LOL



This is again Stefano's house picture taken by one of his neighbour i contacted, who confirmed that Stefano and his family live there (He saw them leave from this house to have a walk with the baby and dog). Don't question me about the ironing table front of Stefano's house, it must be Stefano's angry wife who threw it out because he does not help her at all for the cleaning tasks. But to know for sure, you should ask Stefano himself, but i am not sure he will reply to you now you know for sure he lives in this small house, proving he is not wealthy at all and consequently, all his products are fraudulent and scams.



Have a look how this scammer proceeds to con people all over the Internet. Yes, our multi-millionnaire has nothing else to do than creating fake names and giving himself positive reviews(it was already known with www.roulettesystemreviews.com). Wow, again, what an honest promotor!. Read carefully those fake paragraphs, they have exactly the same wording as Stefano, it's so funny, he could have made it less obvious...

http://www.cashloopholes.co.uk/roulette-chat/7922-genuinewinner-com-roulette-system-real.html

Also, he lies concerning the real number of his players. He uses this trick to give people the illusion that only few exposes him and a LOT are kissing his fat ass.

Truth is he does not have so many players. Proof is he constantly changes the number on his promoting/fraudulent websites and this shows he is inventing.

The real figure is around 60 players combined for his system and computer. If we count the number of players who complained publicly and those who simply ran away without showing themselves, then we are close to this number.














1) Is it true your inaccurate predictions are due to a skipping Pc dvd player?

No, This is a pathetic excuse from a scammer. I can direct you to someone using a roulette computer against a video running with a Pc Player. Does it show inaccurate predictions?. Quite the contrary, accurate predictions are achieved simply because the device is effective, contrary to Stefano's.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=2538514418375160851&ei=jt0SSvo1xYr5BpPe5N4N&q=roulette+FF&hl=fr


2) Stefano (Genuinewinner.com) claims he didn't share the secrets of his roulette system with you because he did not trust a "moron" like you.

"Do you have experienced people that would assist you with hybrid application? It is too difficult for one person to use - it needs at least 2 operators. I'm considering a few people for profit split but I still must speak with my solicitors."

This is Stefano's own words, he wanted me to use his hybrid computer valued 25,000$-100,000$, if he didn't trust me he would have never offered it. CONTACT ME if you want the original email.


3) Stefano (Genuinewinner.com) claims his system is more than what is contained in the freely ebook that circulates over the internet. What can you say about it?.

What do you expect a scammer replying to you when his whole system has been released for free and proven to be a scam? If you have his ebook, you can clearly realize he is praying God that you keep the system for yourself , that you do not give any informations about the system. He also states in the ebook that his system beats Online Casinos. Paragraph: Beating Difficults wheels and Online Casinos. He also claims the Visual Ballistic System he teaches which is based on ball and wheel speeds approximations is OK for Level Wheels. This shows you how dishonest and manipulative Stefano Hourmouzis is regarding his system. The day a Visual Ballistic system based on ball and wheel speeds approximations beat modern level wheels, all casinos in the world will close the door.

Again he claims his system beats Online Casinos in his ebook while at the same time saying on public message boards that his ebook is the basics of the basics (Because it is now revealed to the public). Get in mind that he is censoring 90% of the content of this ebook on his website, it is strange since it is supposed to be the basics of basics , he could offer "this introduction" for Free. He does not do that because it is what his players receive for 2,500$. Who on earth would protect with a specific username and an Eleven digits number password a document which is supposed to be the basics of the basics? LoL

Also if you have some time, i suggest you download all his videos on his website, and make a chart comparing the last winning number on the wheel layout and the next prediction. You will see it is the same pockets distance , showing clearly dealer signature application.


4) Stefano (Genuinewinner.com) claims his computer is the best there is on the market because it can predict not only which diamond the ball will hit but also the part of the diamond.

Yes and soon you will see him claim his computer can predict also when the ball will bounce backward when it comes in interaction with the rotor!.It is of course another lie very easily exposed. You just have to watch the video displayed at the very top of the website and realize that his computer cannot predict which diamond the ball will hit. (check the scatter showing the immense dispersion: very bad algorythms).


5) How do you know that his custom variants really do not exist?

I have been a member of his private message board reserved only to people who purchased either his 2,500$ system or the computer. I was there on both sections. I have talked to literally everyone and they all told me the same thing: "We never received a custom variant working with special patterns other than the primordial patterns" despite numerous spins sent to Stefano.
The most shocking of all his players was one from Australia posting as "ESQ" who acknowledged to me via Skype that he submitted a total of around 20,000 spins from different real wheels in his casinos and he did not receive one custom variant from Stefano!!!.

You can believe me, the only people who still believe in Stefano's lies are manipulated.
I remember one who had "HAWK" in his nickname and he was convinced Stefano taught him a good VB method. He told me I had to look at the crossover number when the 3rd ball revolution occured from the start! . I insisted telling him he was wrong stating this, Visual Ballistic is not based on the first ball revolutions AT ALL.
After that, Stefano prefered to ban me because his players were realizing they had been scammed.
Now this private message board does not exist anymore for good reason. His purchasers complained to each others that they can not win with Stefano's system so he prefered to close exchange of informations. It is strange when you read on his website that the system is supposed to win 30K a week!.

I said many times that Stefano is a liar and manipulator. His procedure is simple: If you are complaining because you cannot win, he will tell you that you are not trustable and he will not give you his ultimate secrets. But if you are not complaining, you receive nothing either, Stefano wants to have blind sheep who do not think on their own , and he is pretty good at it by telling stories.



ON A FINAL NOTE, I INVITE YOU WATCH HIS ONE HOUR DEMO AT HIS SECTION "PROOF" AND TO SEE THE CHART COMPARING WHERE THE BALL LAST LANDED AND WHERE STEFANO PREDICTS JUST AFTER. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CUSTOM VARIANT, BULLSHIT, IT IS THE SAME JOKE THAT HE EXPLAINS IN HIS EBOOK:


The black line is the median of all the values contained in the graph. It shows clearly that Stefano is betting massively minus 11 pockets (11 pockets anticlockwise) from the last winning number on the wheel layout. He does not do it everytime, he does not want people to realize that he is using in fact the same system explained in his ebook.
So now, you know that custom variant does not exist and has been used by Stefano as a COVER to manipulate people, and to hide the truth, which is his system is nothing more than an obsolete dealer signature approach.


6)Why do you call him a scammer whereas he seems to teach methods like Visual Ballistic, Bias Analysis, that you acknowledge as effective?.

Visual ballistic and Bias Analysis had never been part of Stefano's system. It is only recent he added ballistic methods and bias analysis techniques. And he did it for good reason, it is because his players could not win anything with his "WHEEL DYNAMIC SYSTEM" which is the real name of his system, which is explained in his ebook. (where the ball last landed, where the ball lands next).

On another note, Stefano is not knowledgeable at all, he acknowledged that he added in his ebook everything taught by competitors including Basieux, Laurance scott, Bob Gordon, Caleb Johnson for the Bias part.

Just because he has nothing to win, he steals systems developped by experts, put it all together in his ebook, and then claim he is not a scammer because they are effective. Of course, while those experts do not ask a lot of money to teach you their system, Stefano has no scrupple and sell informations he stole for 2,500$. I hope you realize once again what a crook Stefano Hourmouzis is.


7)What average hit rate were you supposed to get with Stefano's Genuinewinner.com computer?

On his website, it was advertised a 1 in 16 Hit Rate on modern level wheels, and a 1 in 10 Hit Rate on tilted wheels. This was of course a lie,misleading informations for which i attacked Stefano. Today, he acknowledged having scammed me, since he is saying at the time i had his computer, it didn't deal well with human errors, and that if you tried to clock the same spin on a DVD player, you could have until 12 pockets error in the prediction. How could a computer obtain a 1 in 16 Hit Rate on level wheels and offering so much errors while clocking a spin?. I personally obtained greater errors in predictions which are demonstrated here:






8) Is it true that Stefano Hourmouzis (Genuinewinner.com) went again to court?

After losing a first time against Forester, that Stefano claims being silly, liar, sick etc..., he lost a second time. The first time, he accused Forester for letting his players (Stefano's players) talking and complaining at Forester's message board, because myself and others published photos of him and released his home address. The second time, he tried to convince judge he was in death danger, but the judge stopped him immediately because she was angry to listen to this clown contradicting himself. Indeed, the judge knew that Stefano the clown took a picture with Forester shaking hands at the end of the first audience. Stefano almost cried and had the red face because he is accustomed to lie on the internet, making monologue, but he is not accustomed to lie front of people that are not stupids.

Stefano is funny, praising himself for his so called Honesty and Intelligence, but each time he is sent to court, he loses the bairgain. This so called honest and clever guy has been 3 times to court in his life. First time he was sent to jail, second time he lost, third time he lost! What a GenuineLoser!


9) Stefano (Genuinewinner.com) stated you made a collossal mistake to claim that a correlation chart you posted on a message board has something to do with BIAS.

Yes. This is because Stefano, stupid like he is, thought that i was using his genuinewinner system in this correlation chart, which compares where the ball last landed and where the ball lands next. His system is all about dealer signature, and that's not what i was trying to detect AT ALL in my correlation chart. This is actually a bias analysis, but Stefano, the proclaimed best expert in the World does not know about, assumed that i was melting his dealer signature bullshit with bias analysis. Basically what i did was entering all spins from a wheel for one specific direction the ball was spun, i.e all winning numbers resulting from the ball spun clockwise on a specific wheel. This way you can detect possible biased numbers for a specific direction. You are looking at all standard deviations values of single numbers on the wheel layout.

Now what i did was completely different, it has nothing to do with Stefano's dealer signature bullshit since i compared pocket distances between two consecutive numbers resulting from one specific direction, and as in Europe wheel and speed direction alternates, it has nothing to do with ball release point.

It is a potential bias that occurs on some wheels due to specific defects. On the wheel i analysed, the nature of this bias affects only one direction the ball is spun, not the other.

Stefano is only a promotor and scammer, his roulette knowledge is very poor, proof is he didn't know a correlation chart can be used to detect the bias i explained.

If you want confirmation it is a real bias analysis, you can contact one of the smartest bias analyser and wheel manufacturer expert called Caleb Johnson, he posts as:SNOWMAN at www.rouletteplace.com


10) Who is "Kelly" who posts at various message boards?

His name is Keld Markussen from Danemark. Claims to be an advantage roulette player, an advantage trader, but is in reality a Tiler for a living. He spends most of his time on message boards posting exerts of roulette books about visual ballistic. At the same time he is supposed to travel a lot to play Roulette, but it is hardly believable after he openly stated on message boards that some 15 years old scalloped grey metal spoon pockets wheels are common in Spain, France, Danemark, well, everywhere for him. He also has the tendency to judge people from the Internet, as if it was all his life. I'm sure his sexual life sums up with a porn site and his right hand. Just avoid this clown.


11) Are you the only one who complained about his computer (Genuinewinner.com) ?

Of course not. His computer has even been for sale on ebay by one of his purchaser called Adam Corder, who bought Stefano's computer and accessories for a total of US$8000. After having realised the piece of shit it is, he tried to get some money back (Stefano refused to refund his money, again what an honest guy who honors his guarantee...) selling the phone for 999$ on Ebay.
I've known 10 players, who has been scammed with Stefano's products, at Forester's message board (www.rouletteplace.com). Nowadays, i am not receiving any messages, meaning Stefano's scam business is really over.

As you realize, i am not the only one who could not achieve anything good with Stefano's product.

Stefano, after that big exposure, claimed that Adam Corder sold his computer because he found it was illegal to apply it in the USA. Ok, then how come Adam Corder didn't decide to travel and apply the computer worldwilde in countries where the application is legal, if the computer was so effective?. Yes, it does not make sense, and our fat scamming clown is sinking under the water once again.


12) Is it true you won 4,000€ with Stefano's system Genuinewinner?

You have to understand that now this imbecile scammer is completely CORNERED, he relies on any lie possible. You should know the answer yourself, you probably read his system. I know, you know, PEOPLE know, it is a crock of shit. The only time I get money is when he refunded my purchase. Sadly, I have been the only one, I consider myself VERY LUCKY.


13) Do you consider techniques like DS, VB or BIAS effective ?

Yes, but what matters is the content of the techniques taught. For Dealer Signature, if the "teacher" tells you to chart 300 spins trying to find the average pockets distance from a specific dealer between where the ball last landed and where the ball lands next, then it is rubbish.

For Visual Ballistic, if the "teacher" tells you that his prefered method is based on spotting an early ball revolution and only estimate wheel speed, then it's for sure a bad teacher.

For Bias, if the "teacher" tells you to detect a single number bias after charting only 1500 spins, then he does not know what he is talking about.

And if for all that, the teacher asks for THOUSANDS of dollars, then I don't call that a teacher but a SCAMMER.

In a nutshell, it is not because someone tells you that he teaches known effective techniques that he will teach you them effectively!!!.


14) I saw the webcam demonstration. Mr Hourmouzis claims you are embarrassed about it?

Embarrassed for him yes. When you claim during the demonstration that your product is getting consistantly predictions within a three pockets arc, and when applied you are getting predictions in a TWELVE pockets arc with the SAME DIAMOND, then you can feel sorry.I tried not to laugh but when I saw his rubbish predictions, I could not resist and said to myself that finally Justice has been done. Stefano is now furious about it, he showed his rubbish product in front of everybody, so he asked me to repeat the demonstration once again trying to show this time an effective product. But it is too late, my point has been proven, he is a scammer, it's clear like rock water, and I do not want to spend one more second with this conman.





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Recently, Stefano demonstrated like an idiot via webcam, the unability of his computer to deal properly with human errors while clicking, showing predictions dispersed in a 17 pockets sector which is catastrophic for any ballistic prediction system. Thanks to this live demonstration, Stefano has once again, proven to be fraudulent and liar, since he advertised that his computer, when applied on different diamonds, obtained the predictions within a 3 pockets arc (Legitimately, what i expected while watching his demonstration, as i said in the beginning "maybe now it is 3 pockets arc"). This had been conforted by "Ronjo", a so called very trusted, knowledgeable and well respected forum member, that Stefano chose for an independant test of his computer. So now, it appears clearly that both are one and same person, and again this independant test was just another trickery from Stefano to prove that his computer works. Stefano has been caught posting with the nickname "Ronjo" on his message board. This idiot forgot to log off his fake account to answer a poster about a system challenge. He has been trapped in his own trap. Truth is always known eventually.







What does this demonstration prove?. That Stefano's computer does not deal properly with human errors in timings, and that his computer's algorythms are unable to correct them.

PROOF is with a very small change of ball speed, his computer announces predictions that are different of 12 pockets. And EVEN with the same reference diamond used, he gets those poor results that are CLEARLY uncompatible with a device getting a 1 in 15 hit rate on modern level wheels.

Look at the results he is getting using the same reference diamond for the wheel and the ball:



What is funny is his computer had the risk feature activated. Proof is Risk was called not only with the 3 o'clock diamond, but also with 9 o'clock diamond.

As you can realize, he is getting prediction number 6, meaning that his computer assumed that it was a good prediction, whereas it was a rubbish prediction. If his computer dealt well with human errors in timing, the computer would have rejected this prediction, but it actually gave it. I suggest to Stefano to stop lying on message boards to claim that his results are very good, and to work on all those problems instead, that make his computer ineffective.




Stefano is such a good guy, he gives me elements that prove my point. This picture shows ONCE AGAIN (like in the webcam demo), that his claim "predictions are within 3 pockets arc" is FRAUDULENT AND PURE GARBAGE since he is getting predictions in an ELEVEN pockets sector (previously TWELVE but we are closer 12 than 3), and again take in mind the predictions ARE OBTAINED FROM THE SAME REFERENCE DIAMOND FOR THE WHEEL AND BALL, MEANING THE BALL REVOLUTION AND WHEEL REVOLUTION TIMINGS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME FOR THE REPEATED SPIN. In the Casino, when you will predict the next spin, the wheel speed will be different and you won't be able to clock the same ball revolution all the time, so the predictions accuracy will DECREASE even more!.

But why do you think he wants people believing his computer predicts in a 3 pockets arc whatever the moment the prediction is given? Because, then, his other frivolous claim that his computer can predict which diamond the ball will strike could be true.

Now thanks to this test repeated two times and shows that his computer predicts in a 12 pockets sector (no coincidence), it proves that his computer cannot predict which diamond the ball will strike. Indeed, vertical diamonds are separated by 90° (roughly 9 pockets), therefore, a device or VB system giving more than 9 pockets difference for the prediction, means that on one occasion it will predict let's say 12 o'clock vertical diamond, and then you repeat the spin and predict 3 o'clock vertical diamond.

So, again, how a computer be advertised as getting a 1 in 15 hit rate on modern level wheels if it can't predict which vertical diamond the ball will strike? We are not talking about spins where the ball will hit an horizontal diamond or no diamond at all. We are talking only about the basics, and his computer cannot get them right.

Will Stefano Hourmouzis apologize for having lied about his 3 pockets yardage distance on a repeated spin? No.

Will he apologize for having used a fake name to prove that "someone else"(Ronjo) got this same result? No.

Will he apologize for having sold me a piece of shit poorer than what he demonstrated? Of course not.

Instead, now everybody is convinced that his computer is random against current Casino conditions, he is abusing me in emails saying I am a moron, that I am sick, stupid, an adolescent and so on... It seems he does not bear having made a fool of himself front of everybody.

Now, you can read on his blog that his technicians are overwhelmed, they have to make 40 computers quickly because his computers are ordered as Michael Jackson CDs. Same bullshit with his paper system, you have to buy it quickly because in a few days, he will remove the possibility to pay the rest with the winnings, yet the advertisement is here since more than 1 month.

It clearly shows how much this stupid clown is desperate for money, despite the fact he claims being multi-millionnaire LoL


Here are the long term results for the predictions he gets using the same reference point for the wheel and the ball:



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Sorry, you are as big a sucker as him. Not sure why you are so obsessed with this jackass. Either you fell for it and are an absolute moron or you are a scammer like him. Not better than 2 broke losing gamblers trying to push "winning" systems.

 

@Admin >> Going after a persons family is a bit over the top. Can YOU do anything morally correct with these latest attacks?

"Anything goes" at GF....but this is a bit much.

Ken