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Baccarat What constitutes a trend?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Craps, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    Determining a hand is tough enough. Determining a phase? Easier said than done. First of all how many hands is a phase? Win 3 iar row is hot phase? Loss 3 iar is Sar Chi? It takes a Saint to be that alert during course of play. Even you have decided you are in a certain phase, what notable changes is good enough to move you to another? In this thread we are not accessing trends. We are sharing what constitutes a trend in each of our book. Don't tell me you bet on impulse and not your own version of trends.
     
  2. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    It's a trade off.
    More Probability More Bite
    No Probability No Bite
    Odds Don't Change
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Let us take the Lung Yeh 2-1-2-2-3-3-4-4 HPB series. No matter whee the progression ends it cannot nit one hard .





    Play at your own risk.
     
  4. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Does it? Perhaps it only takes someone that has trained for decades using the same column charts, year after year using visual dexterity.

    Below is a picture of my practice software put on automatic to bet only on red, $90 per bet for each spin. These are on the Double Zero wheel so the odds are clearly in the casino's favor. You can clearly see the bigger picture of a declining losing streak followed by a very strong recovery. You can see the hot streak and the cold streak. When I play I search 6 independent sets of streak data in real time as it occurs searching for win streaks and losing streaks. For me it is easier than when I first learned the Times Tables in arithmetic.

    RBgraph.png
     
  5. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    I like your work but you are wasting your time providing so much completed homework for some of these readers. Most of the interverse connections to these readers seems to be via satellite Uranus, forget about Mars. Imho most of them are all talk no action, preferring to make reasons WHY they can’t do something ,forget that they actually learned how to walk at some stage of their life. That’s quite an astonishing thought weather they are capable of walking in assisted lol.

    Ive not posted to dross of late, as there is only so much breakfast cereal wisdom I can handle in a lifetime.

    Your thoughts on streak program is good, I did it long hand ( I have no program abilities) years ago and found that it’s worthwhile TO ME in adding to my skills.

    Up to others to make up their own minds

    Cheers
     
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  6. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Recommend reading another topic on the Baccarat forum :


    the opening chapter " How to spot a bad system".
     
  7. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I do it only with a 3 x 5 lined index card and an ink pen when I'm at a B & M casino.
     
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  8. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes simple, is best , but I was referring to the beautiful graph posted . I could only wish back in the day.
    But I’m a skippy CAN as opposed to a skippy cannot, so I found a way to achieve a result even if it was laborious. cheers.
     
  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That was just a graph of the win / loss results for all bets placed on Red.

    I visualize that graph like this in my index cards:

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    You can see empty space as losses.

    But it's done looking down a column:

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  10. Punkcity

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    Nice visual dexterity
    Cheers
     
  11. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    ....................................then WHAT ?
     
  12. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    What?

    Can't you see the three phases almost instantly in my vertical chart of win / losses?
     
  13. Nathan Detroit

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    What can be done with it ? What`s the purpose?
     
  14. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Is this rhetorical, or do you not really know?
     

  15. Rinad

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    I see what you are saying Giz, wish I was as good as programing as some here. I too always have used 3x5 cards whenever I play just so I can know what is happening visually. the one side filled with reds or blacks seems the most counter-intuitive great play and easy to pick. I cant tell you how often I missed making huge profits on thinking "no way it will continue" and yes it does go on and on stay on that side. i learned that much, but getting out I think is the tricky part. let me ask you this; do you parlay those types of situations or do you just flat bet and wait til you lose x amount....then stop ?
    Cheers, R.
     
  16. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Rinad, I only have one parlay. I try to get one win off of mini streaks. But sometimes you get larger swarms of trends that are just obvious. So at times like that I use a 3, 2, 1 progression that gives you something each step of the way. The first step - (3 times the base value) gives you all your risk back plus 1 net win and 2 times for the next step of the parlay. If that step wins you have 4 net wins stashed safely and 1 unit value left to double on a third win. Actually 3, 2 is enough. you get a lot from just two steps.

    It makes no sense to try to get a lot from three wins in a row where you only get something if all three wins occur.

    I use one fast and hard rule about how trends break down. They end fast and they end a little slower. But they always end. I just get off of them with the big bet on the first break. I check to see if the strong trend comes right back. But that is rare. There's plenty to be had from trends and patterns if you just don't get greedy.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  17. Nathan Detroit

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    Baccarat is a game of L U C K not of strategy. Experience over 25 years .
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Only the Bet Selection with an edge matters.




    Play at your own risk.
     
  19. Rinad

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    okay, you dont push it. as I anderstand it you are going only for one bite off the mini streaks or make a 3 or 2 units bet if called for. want to get out with some profit for sure . makes sens to invest 3 units if all the sign posts are there thx. R
     
  20. Sputnik

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    The question, how many attempts would you say is optimal to catch a trend (jump abord)
    If I remember correctly, John Patrick would say two or three bets and at most four bets.

    Cheers
     
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