Roulette What if I told you...

Do you see my point Turbo, how things have changed? Fuck'em.

It ALL started around 1.5 years ago (fill in the blanks). Let them figure it out for themselves, while I laugh.

Ken

 

I agree on the progressions. People read 'progression' and think martingale; this is a non-starter. Not so.
They presume it translates to chasing your losses and drop out early.

I think the 'anti' crowd feel the way they do because you've started a thread that doesn't spell out a method for them to play.
I believe some solid basics have been provided in other posts that people need to develop themselves.

I've by no means cracked it or had the time to develop the method I'd like to (yet). But what I have learned and used is promising.
I don't play every spin. I wait for what I want to see happening and act accordingly.

The price and supply of diamonds is controlled to maintain their value. If every man could dig a hole in they're garden and pocket a few crown jewels, diamonds would become worthless overnight.

If someone posted a step-by-step roulette method that was infallible, the game would either cease to exist, be rigged or have another 20 numbers added to the wheel.

 

In your first 2 charts it's apparent you are using chips much smaller than $100 to begin with.

 

Perhaps you are using a minimum chip unit while priming your bets, in which case you haven't really made many bets at all over the chart durations, in which case it's even more likely to fail in statistically relevant time.

I hope I'm wrong though.

 

Einsteins peers all had the same info but only he got it right.

You can hint and give clues and graphs all you like but people wont get the spark you did, (allegedly)

from where I am sat, its just a graph. Theres no proof, so why post it?

I do understand maths, but this isnt maths. Its a graph.

Show me the maths, and I will tell you if I understand it.

 

This is completely correct.
Even a wheel bias player/expert isn't going to come on a forum and explain step by step how they do what they do - they give the basics and people can choose to follow that path or not. It would be detrimental to their own ability to make money if they laid out the details in Step A, Step B form... and same as the "holy grail" of systems - the casino would simply change the payout or add numbers to rig it back into the favor. No one wants that.
Spelling things out is a silly concept - it would be like students going to class and the teacher giving them two books "This is the test" and "This is the answer sheet". It's not how it works. Anyone motivated enough to figure out the answers will do so - the others won't.

Exactly why I started the thread and how progressions can be used to achieve the goal. Starting small and working up to a higher bet defeats the game. (when done properly and when it is based on the player having an advantage)

35:1 on any given spin.
"Long term" or over a persons playing session - this doesn't mean the house will take everyone's money. As a matter of fact - people get up and leave as winners. If everything was based on that small house edge (and it was reliable, which it isn't aside from the massive numbers of people all playing and overall the casino wins) The casino would just take money from everyone - and no one would have the chance to get up and leave while ahead. Even with the edge - the house still needs things to happen in order for them to be confident that they will win. Sadly they do though because 95% of people have no idea how to play, no concept of math.. and play "Grandmom's favorite numbers and Billy's birthday because they are lucky numbers". As for Caleb - you can find countless times when I was torn a new asshole at GG and other forums. I respect the guy for what he does, I think someday at the same table with me doing what I do (system) and he doing what he does (AP) - we could put a hurt on some casino that wasn't expecting it. lol. (and we would be playing the same numbers, as I've said in previous posts)

It's only purpose (graph) is to show that something is possible and for the reader to keep trying towards their goal.
(Hopefully based on what I've said in previous posts and threads - where it is spelled out when combined)

 

Hence the reader boards (we know past spins aren't relevant), alcohol - lighting - lack of clocks - lack of windows - smells - sounds....waitresses in outfits... could go on for the entire page. Anyone in the industry knows this.
The casino has to use many tools (along with this small edge they have) in order to ensure that they have a greater chance of that money leaving your pocket and going into theirs. They even managed to fool people into thinking that they do these things for the benefit of the player. It's nonsense - but to people that don't know any better, it's great.
Have a drink, look at those past spins.... check that lady out.... what time is it ? "No more bets".... shit, lost again.
That's one position I've never been in.

 

Thanks for your replies to my posts. I appreciate you taking the time.

Ok, lets say I dont believe the above quote from a few graphs and clues and the fact you said so.

Thats my bad, and you can see where that leaves me.

Where does it leave people who do believe the graphs and the fact you said so?

How are they better off because they believe it?

By believing it or not, no one gets it do they? No one but you knows how the graph is produced.

There are people like me who dont believe without proof, and people who are wowed and somehow feel they now have an insight into roulette they didnt have previously.

But they dont have a winning system do they?....from your seminars and graphs and claims.

Just your "you too can have a body like mine" Charles Atlas marketing

Thats the rub.

Whats your marketing for?

to promote TG (branding exercise) or get more people winning and beating the Casino (Goal driven)

How many are now beating the Casino because of you?

Or, are you exalted from your branding exercise?

 

Sounds like a bit of a "conspiracy theory" to me.
I assure you, it's not that complicated. There is no "behind the scenes".
Just what I post - for no reason other than the fact that I share info and results.... promote thinking and ideas.
To show what is possible can make others strive to achieve the same - if they choose to.

I'm sure some will get it, yes.

 

Thanks. I will follow the thread closely

 

LOL I won't. Entertainment value only, just like most of the current roulette threads on here.

 

Ive just got to say i toatally owe where im now with my betting to reading Turbo and Mrj which by reading some of my past posts isnt very far! The one system ive been spending a lot of time developing and playing mostly online for now just keeps on winning. I keep waiting for it to fail. There are points where you can be fairly down but it always recovers and so much more! I hate tracking but once you start betting it soon picks up.
When i write the numbers down that i have or i am betting on it will end up looking something like this pattern below,it always does?

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a progression is a must!

Earlier i was 150 odd units down and ended up winning near on 800 units in about 140 spins!!
Thankyou Turbo and MrJ!

 

Of course you will. But no one will hold it against you.

 

Congrats - keep winning !
And always modify when you can to make it even better.

 

You cant beat a math game with maths, because maths doesn't change the odds. There are many ways to change the odds, with the most obvious being physics (cause and effect). Math is just calculations that represent physical reality. It has no influence on the winning number.

Say you used a progression like below and had these losses:

Spin 1: Bet 1 unit, lose 1 unit
Spin 2: Bet 2 units, lose 2 units
Spin 3: Bet 4 units, lose 4 units
Spin 4: Bet 8 units, lose 8 units

You may think you are doubling up to cover losses. But all you're doing is making four completely independent bets, each with the same odds. There is no connection between each spin. It's like having four different players on four different spins, each just betting a different amount. The odds haven't changed. These are fundamental facts the casinos base everything on.

The only time progression could be used to assist a player is if they have a positive edge to begin. So if you have a +5% edge, the expectation for return (in terms of units) is exactly the same on each spin. The only thing you vary with progression is the rate at which you lose or win.

I have nothing against people wanting to play for fun. But telling people they can easily win roulette with any form of progression is nonsense. I thought you would know better Turbo, especially with the amount of time you spend on roulette.

 

Regarding the draw downs, every method will have draw downs. The table limits and your bankroll mostly determine draw downs. You can have a mild progression, or aggressive progression. A positive or negative progression. But no matter how you package your system, if you want a legitimate edge for long term winnings, progression wont change anything. Two players can have the same progression system and have completely different results. Why? Luck.

Every method that works relies on increasing accuracy of predictions (improving the odds).

 

I completely agree with everything you said Steve.
Well, other than this part :

 

This is a baloney festival -- right? Every once in a while a deliberate carrot on a string is brought out just for the fun of suckering uninformed people into the flytrap, right?

I presented the most promising concept in progression theory that I've ever tried, disclosed the full progression, and it was whisked off this thread. I just wanted to show how easy it was to just show it. Hey TG, just show it. Let's see how smart you really are. The only way a progression can work is by picking the conditions that the progression is used in. So show us the mathematical conditions that makes this one work. I might have been right about you. In all these years you are still stuck on believing you will find a working mechanical system. That's a phase you are supposed to grow past. This is just a Halloween Trick.

 

If you have some sort of guarantee due to math, then a progression would work. Yes indeed

 

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