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 9|33| 2|28|17|26|34
22|27|32|28| 9|31|16
10| 7| 4|23|25|31|36
17|11|29| 1|34|19|26
22| 1|13| 9|33| 2|36
36|18|30| 5|32| 4|29
12|20|31|35|15|10|36
23|18|15|32|12| 5| 7
 4|26|23|19|35|19|18
33|12|14|32| 6| 7| 9
27|18| 1|24|15|10|14
 7|27|36| 8|25| 7|12
30| 9|30| 5|10|34|11
 8|28| 3|23|10| 8|
32| 4|32|30|16|12|
28|21| 8|18|14|34|
24|34|36|35|17|12|
22|30| 1|34|27|30|
11| 0|22| 3| 8|33|
 9|17| 9| 9| 9|30|
15| 3| 1| 6|18|20|
15|10|21|16|21|15|
15|14|13| 0|36|28|
32|29|16| 2|34|35|
25|10|27| 6|12| 4|
31|35|13|18| 4|35|
24| 6|14|31| 7|31|
31|23|13| 6| 7|16|
 5|13| 2|27|20|34|
28|24| 6| 2| 1| 4|
 6|36|12| 7|11|16|
26| 6| 6| 4|10|32|
31|34|14| 8| 7|35|
14|14|20|22| 0| 7|
13|24|20| 4| 8|25|

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Can you post your spins? Would be interesting to see how you playing across those spins.[/QUOTE]

Fossel these are the numbers. I just want to reiterate that im not saying that Turbos methods do/did not work as i believe the opposite and have gained a lot by what he has posted! Also its not as much that im frustrated that i didnt win over these numbers its more i want to eventually bet more aggressively sooner but at the monent dont. Ive still won more than i have lost with the way im playing and im trying to improve it always. I play with a mild progression and track numbers for longer before betting but id like to be more agressive with the progression and start betting sooner. So after id lost(time stopped me from carrying on) i decided to look at my numbers and try different methods on them. i have done this with other spins and it had always won big using some of what turbo has given.
This time it seemed what ever i tried was losing but was starting to improve by the end. I play it over 3 cycles and then start to remove bets/add new bets or decrease bet values depending on certain things and do this over single cycles there after.
Basically i just wanted to know if this kind of downswing can be expected when using a more agressive progression on the odd occasion and if it would have eventually recovered to profit or im i getting it totally wrong or im i on the right track etc?
How would you have played these numbers Fossel?


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After rereading my post when i say "look at my numbers and try different methods on them" its basically i try betting 2 to become 3 , 3 to become 4 etc with different progressions so not different methods.

 

Turbo probably does have a working progression that beats the math. I do too. It works so good and is so brainlessly rule based that it would be too dangerous to publish it. It would be just as dumb to suggest anything about it with hints or by dropping breadcrumbs through the dark forest to follow. The best thing I can do is to tell people to keep looking. It is because of this thread that I went back to my basics in randomness and applied something new. I never got the hints for this thread to work for me. I must have missed a clue.

I could start a thread. What if I told you... that you could buy a bridge from me in Brooklyn.

Oh, this is the last day for entrance into my school.

 

I posted this in the other forum so I'll post it here as well and then probably be done with the topic.
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I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.

We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once

8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.

But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !

So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.

So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.

Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.

 

Question for you TG......our history boards here hold 12 numbers. Lets say I do my 38 number session, I win/lose, time to start a fresh game. What is the HARM of using those 12 numbers off the board even though it was part of the previous session?

Ken

 

Turbo, are you insinuating a number that has previously hit is more likely to hit again? Or a number that has his twice is more likely to hit for a third time?

 

TG has posted a favourable example.


For argument sake how would this hold out when 17 unique numbers show in succession, before a repeat?


You would have bet a minimum of 136 units before seeing a number show twice, and with 20 spins remaining in the session you are down 100 units.

 

Here is an example of 37 spins. Each line represents 1 to 37 descending. Each number is the number of spins it took to hit. Each number is a concatenate number so that they will stake up neatly in a single text document.

Code:

022,
023,
014,


011,
012,

006,
010, 025,



003, 029,


024,
021,

005, 008,
001,
026, 008,
018, 009, 002,
004, 004, 007, 018,
017,

025, 005,
009, 011,
028,
019,
007,
002,


031, 005,

016, 

And here is after more than 300 spins:

Code:

022, 082, 030, 020, 016, 012, 015, 004, 129,
023, 048, 097, 044, 011, 004, 023, 010, 119,
014, 024, 025, 019, 024, 008, 008, 083,
041, 003, 001, 005, 023, 037, 028, 028, 053, 035, 010, 065, 039,
101, 046, 017, 058, 034, 001, 018, 036, 066,
011, 041, 013, 027, 004, 003, 016, 022, 030, 004, 142, 008, 006, 017, 030,
012, 113, 002, 009, 040, 044, 005, 041, 022, 018, 052,
175, 010, 013, 013, 020, 007, 097, 014, 022,
006, 052, 045, 013, 160, 010, 022, 043,
010, 025, 008, 012, 025, 063, 074, 013, 073, 023,
037, 025, 008, 037, 032, 093, 015, 053, 009, 048, 023,
040, 034, 035, 044, 007, 019, 011, 079, 004, 042, 003, 015, 004, 024, 003, 003,
046, 002, 047, 046, 047, 057, 035, 054, 038,
003, 029, 058, 083, 071, 092,
186, 028, 032, 025, 061, 020,
067, 018, 015, 031, 004, 028, 078, 017, 064,
024, 063, 046,
021, 026, 034, 049, 048, 065, 018, 004, 074, 002, 032,
042, 037, 063, 014, 006, 003, 024, 003, 001, 091, 012, 027, 052,
005, 008, 085, 010, 021, 021, 053, 033, 061, 020, 031, 021,
001, 059, 008, 023, 014, 021, 006, 076, 026, 033, 045, 028, 007, 015,
026, 008, 025, 018, 036, 044, 047, 014, 041, 045, 003, 003,
018, 009, 002, 024, 040, 028, 108, 048, 021, 027,
004, 004, 007, 018, 023, 005, 003, 011, 022, 051, 035, 072, 087, 003,
017, 061, 096, 025, 040, 042, 089,
123, 026, 003, 035, 029, 073, 010, 003, 052, 002, 010,
025, 005, 021, 015, 053, 026, 117, 010, 023, 006, 030, 015, 007,
009, 011, 049, 059, 100, 021, 002, 063, 049, 013,
028, 021, 023, 022, 052, 035, 045, 022, 035, 011,
019, 057, 010, 038, 016, 056, 014, 005, 037, 033, 020, 038,
007, 082, 113, 007, 004, 069,
002, 055, 026, 001, 004, 032, 049, 003, 005, 023, 078, 012, 003, 027,
039, 072, 083, 027, 016, 005, 021, 028, 001, 063, 004,
054, 130, 051, 005, 030, 049, 041,
031, 005, 082, 040, 033, 004, 012, 109, 022, 012,
117, 027, 011, 006, 063, 050, 013, 037, 041, 013,
016, 086, 010, 039, 008, 021, 026, 027, 020, 015, 011, 049, 

 

Thats something I've wondered time over. I can't see that making any difference.
To take it even further, what about it existing in a rolling 37/38. One new number on. One old off.

 

Thanks Admin for sorting things out a bit

 

In reply to you sequence post, try running TG's suggestion. Though on first glance of your numbers, they looked like one of those flats runs. I'll take a closer look soon.

 

Gizmo, Turbo, Fossel,etc...

Pick one among you to go on Skype and I will demonstrate the hit success rate of Turbo's method, via live via screen share, (You don’t need to have your camera or microphone on) on my simulators using real data from documented/dated live streams of roulette data.

 

Interesting idea. I have a better idea. Somebody start a reality TV show with all of us featured as Roulette experts probing the casinos for our gold rush. That would be a blast.

 

We could have RouletteGhost serving us drinks. Its all he's really good for.

Ken

 

Oh shit did I open up a can of worms.

 

Interesting... I've seen this somewhere else before.

 

Yeah, probably in a Bruce Lee movie by the looks of it.

 

Turbo. Are you winning with this?

If the answer is yes, then who cares what any one says

Who cares about the pictures.
Who cares if someone says it can't work.
Who cares if someone says it's stupid.
Who cares if someone says repeats have no affect on future spins.
Who cares if said person finds the number of spins statistically irrelevant
Who cares what anyone attempts to explain

If you win, then you are a winner and that's what matters.