Baccarat what progression are you using?

You are right

 

Thinking about adding an override on any progression of either 7 losses out of the last 10 plays or 8 losses out of the last 10 plays in any order as this is a good sign that the shoe is turning into a dumpster fire. This ties back to table selection/ shoe selection.

 

How can there be 2 of many camps that are so convinced their way is the best?
1. Negative progression only.
2. Positive progression only.

For all testing to date I can never get positive progression only to work as well as a mix of positive/ negative or negative progression only.

Also, is anyone applying the flat approach someone here mentioned where you play an entire shoe at 1 unit and then increase some amount for the entire next shoe and then increase some amount for the entire next shoe and so on if required?

 

I can’t find ANY bet selection that holds up with a flat bet. Positive only works when you have a long winning streak. But when do you get those? Who knows. Negative works for me if the losses aren’t coming in bunches and I can recover them over time.

 

This one is like a modified flat where you are counting for some type of run to get back into the black if you are negative:

Flat approach someone here mentioned where you play an entire shoe at 1 unit and then increase some amount for the entire next shoe and then increase some amount for the entire next shoe and so on if required?

Example 1:
- Shoe 1: 1 unit.
- Shoe 2: 1.5 units.
- Shoe 3: 2 units.

Example 2:
- Shoe 1: 1 unit.
- Shoe 2: 2 units.
- Shoe 3: 3 units.

 

I have seen that. But I typically play that way for number of bets instead of an entire shoe. For instance, an odd number of bets such as 7 or 9 or 11 which will give you a definitive win or loss.

 

Latest view is that when deciding between different progressions, the first group has a decided advantage.

1. A progression where the next decision size is a set, easily determined amount. These progressions include flat and set sequences such as Fibonacci progressions. It should take a minimum amount of time to come up with the next size which leaves most of the time to focus on selection.

2. A progression where the next decision size is based on even a recording/ calculation or previous level of chips. These progressions include Labouchère, and ones that look back to recover a previous of win. These typically require writing down something and during fast play it can be a big distraction to selection.

 

Why do players that like positive progression only state that you are 'playing with casino money'? Who really owns the money when?

Just tested 1 2 4 8, 1 2 4 8 16, and 1 2 4 8 16 32. Some spectacular streaks, but a lot of 1 2 and 1 2 4 fails.

 

I don’t understand it either but to each their own. Looking to capture that once in a blue moon streak I suppose. You aren’t playing with the casino money because as soon as you lose, you are losing 1 unit of your own money. Yes you won 1 unit on the first bet but when bet 2 units the next bet, you play with 1 unit of the casino’s money and 1 of your own. So, yes that doesn’t make any sense. If you just bet 1 unit the next bet, then yes it’s technically the casino’s money, because it’s more than you had, but in reality, it’s now YOUR money because you won it. Never understood that reasoning.

And are you saying that still trying to make a 2-unit parlay when you’re already down 40 units?

I can see that when you are given a bonus that has no cash value other than you being able to play it at no risk to your own cash and get to keep the winnings. Now THAT is playing with the casino’s money!!

 

Just citing Paroli Progression and variations.

For example 1 2 4 8 where any loss resets to 1 until a win is achieved:
10 20 -40 10 -20 -10 -10 10 20 40 80 10 -20 -10 -10 -10 10 20 -40...

Over at the redduht there are a lot of proponents of positive good/ negative bad.

 

As I said, to each their own. I prefer a negative progression that doesn’t scale out of control, and I see the pros of using a positive progression but I can never pinpoint the winning streak to use it to benefit me.

 

To clarify, I am testing progressions on a range of shoes and not adjusting them based on the how they are doing over the test.

1 2 and 1 2 4 fails means +1 +2 then -4 and +1 +2 +4 then -8.

What I am seeing so far on 1 2 4 8 is that 20 - 30 unit setbacks from top to bottom are expected. My best set up to date has a setback of less than 15 units in the same test.

All the different positive progressions I am currently looking at are in the the 'next decision size is a set with an easily determined amount' category. It should take a minimum amount of time to come up with the next size which leaves most of the time to focus on selection. Someone who has practiced it should not have to write anything down to come up with the next position size.

Recovery approaches require some looking back to a level in the past which is much much easier/ maybe only realistic with writing.

 

There’s also STAR progression that utilizes a parlay as well. I find that to be a fun hybrid between positive and negative. But it makes me nervous!

 

in bacc - playing for free, on Wov free bacc game - doing very well so far

using a REVERSE Oscar's Grind - bet up one unit when you just lost - bet the same after a win

except you will never bet more than you need to get ahead by one unit or a % of one unit - since I'm betting Bank and paying commission in the progression I will sometimes have a win that is less than one unit but still a win

so, for example the smallest bet in the free game is $5 - if you just made a bet of $25 and won and you are now only down $15 you wouldn't bet the same amount as the Grind calls for - you would only bet $20 - just enough to go ahead by one unit or a % of one unit

when that happens I will start over with the smallest bet

obviously, the down side is if Player has a long winning streak you can go way down

so, I never bet more than 8 units - if I would have to bet more than 8 units to keep the grind going I don't do it

I go back to betting the smallest unit

not trying to claim it's a winning system - just that it's fun - especially when you're not playing with real money - you are likely to have many small wins before you take a loss

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I haven't tried Reverse OG. I will take a look soon on bigger tests. It appears to be more aggressive than what I'm using.

 

So far REVERSE Oscar's Grind can do well in certain times, but can get very volatile. Of course we want to rig and adjust these things.
- A max position size limit.
- Shield concept. A shield is a protection where you say 3 or 4 losses in a row then require 1 or 2 virtual wins to get back into the game. So far I like 4 losses and then 2 virtual wins. I also have looked at getting crushed by 7 or 8 out of the last 10 hands to leave the shoe no matter what.

 

I had to decide on a bet selection system to go with my reverse Oscar's Grind
I first tried it betting just on Bank but I was unsatisfied
so I devised this bet selection system -
of course, that still doesn't mean you can't lose - but anyway I like it - and so far it's doing well
not making any claim that together with a reverse Oscar it's a long run winner - just that it's fun -
so here is the bet selection system:
the idea of it is to be sure you will never get creamed by being on the wrong side of a very long streak
you always bet the decision will alternate unless either Player or Banker wins 2 in a row
then you get on the side of which one won 2 in a row
if it alternates again you go back to alternating
so, it's possible you will be on the right side of 3 different long streaks:
a Player streak, a Banker streak, or an alternating streak
and you can never get creamed by being on the wrong side of a Player, Banker or alternating streak
of course, a loss can still happen
if only I could guarantee that a loss won't happen - but I can't do that___________(-:/

 

so, I started using the above for about an hour with a reverse Oscar's Grind and I'm up $274
my one unit bet is the smallest you can make on the Wov free bacc game - $5
have never gone up anywhere near that high before - I took just one loss when making the max bet of $30 - lost it and started over
also, I cut the max bet down to 6 units - and then start over with one unit - 8 units is betting too much imo
I'm not gonna say that it's golden - but I am quite surprised - prolly just luck