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TurboGenius When does it lose ?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. precogm

    precogm Active Member

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    lol can I post my charts too?
     
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  2. Luckyfella

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    I know they look terrible.

    I post charts in full transparency without adjusting anything. That's how the sessions went.

    Note - this is not the strategy I play at b&m casino.
     
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  3. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you should post your precog charts here too. Remember, full transparency.

    SirAnyone, MJ, Benas, Nathan Detroit.
    Post your rsim charts here.
    Ofc they can't.
     
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  4. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Let the readers figure out how you create your nice chart. Or you tell them.

    For equivalent comparison, post your rsim charts in full transparency.

    TurboGenius and me have put in our effort. Your turn.
    What about the rest of the naysayers crew?
     
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  5. precogm

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    So if I, hypothetically was to get to first place on rsim with over 2 million units. Get to top 4 on rsim many multiple occasions when I want. If I get to first place on MPR with a winrate of 1.4 and 2nd with a winrate of 1.2

    If I post chart after chart that look amazing.

    In that hypothetical, what would it prove? lol
     
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  6. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Post 10 sessions like I did.

    Readers are not idiots.
    They are smart.
    Allow them make their own judgement.

    Are you afraid to post your 10 precog rsims sessions today?
     
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  7. TwoUp

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    I'm not wrong, use your favourite binomal function calculator. Excel will do..

    And be sure to compute the probabilty of 2 or more hits as that's more likely than exactly 2.

    I use both the cummulative and the probability mass to compute the probability of 2 or more. Math is fun.
     
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  8. precogm

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    no, I am ok. thanks for the offer. Enjoy your day.
     
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  9. Ordinary_people

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    I think the chart is overall great. Not terrible. And what i admire is just a short session.
     
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  10. Ordinary_people

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    Can i know what strategy you mean very popular ?

    Thanks
     
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  11. Luckyfella

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  12. gizmotron

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    Yes, I did that too, way back in the days of GG. You know this. It's too volatile most of the time. It digs holes real fast. Still you get streams of singles, and sleeping dozens that can go on for 30 spins or more. Those should be exploited. I created free to use Artificial Intelligence software to demonstrate detecting when it's playing your game. It's meant only for learning and practicing getting good at Reading Randomness. It's in the software section for download. There are a few bugs. No way to fix them.

    Reading Randomness is waiting for it to be playing your game. It always has been since 2006. It's published here in the Roulette section. It tells you how it works. The thread serves as a self taught instruction tutorial and allows you to prove to yourself that it works. It does this so that you won't have to spend any money on learning to gamble before becoming an expert at it.
     
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  13. Median Joe

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    You have to be careful about the meaning of cumulative distributions. I'll use the example of a 50:50 distribution which you wrote in another thread. In 100 flips of a fair coin the probability of AT LEAST 50 heads is P(X >= 50) = 0.5397946187, or 54% to 1 d.p. But this doesn't mean that there will be more heads than tails. How can it? and if correct it also means that there will be more tails than heads! (because the probability of H & T are equal). But that can't be right.

    If you think about what P(X >= 50) actually means you'll see why that interpretation is incorrect. The probability of EXACTLY 50 heads is 0.07958923739, the prob. of EXACTLY 51 heads is 0.07802866411, the prob. of EXACTLY 52 heads is 0.07352701041, and so on. The prob. of more heads decreases, which is what you should expect. The chance of 51 is less than the chance of 50, and the chance of 52 is less than the chance of 51, etc. In general, the prob. of the first outcome in the series is always the highest. And again, this makes sense; in a 50:50 scenario how can the probability of increasing imbalance be MORE likely than balance?

    P(X >= 50) means P(X = 50) or P(X = 51) or P(X = 52) or ... P(X = 100). But these individual probabilities are mutually exclusive, and only one applies, which is why you add them to get the cumulative result. Together they don't add to 0.5 but to 0.54. All the probabilities must sum to 1.0, and if you separate the sample space into 3 categories you see that they do : P(X < 50) + P(X = 50) + P(X > 50) = 0.07958923739 + 0.4602053813 + 0.46020538131 = 1.0. So the probability of getting 51 or more heads (or tails) -- which is what you'd need to make a profit if betting on one side -- is only 46%.
     
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  14. Ordinary_people

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  15. gizmotron

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    Math will never tell you when it will start playing your game, how long it will continue playing your game, and when it will stop playing your game.
     
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    No you're wrong.

    The probability distribution when you write out the truth table is exactly correct. DONE IT TO DEATH. I proved there are always 7 heads in 8 flips of a coin 7/8 of the time. AND there are also 7 tails in in 3 flips of a coin 7/8 of the time. These are not mutually exclusive probabilities.

    I will write out the truth tables AGAIN and prove it to yourself:

    HHH
    HHT
    HTH
    HTT
    THH
    THT
    TTH
    TTT

    The above is every possible combination of 3 flips of a coin. Clearly there is both 7/8 of those have at least 1 head, AND 7/8 of them have at least 1 tail.

    It's NOT mutatually exclusive as you claim.

    Your argument is debunked.
     
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    @TwoUp, I wasn't referring to that example, which has nothing to do with what I wrote. Actually, I remember now. Your example was 120 flips of a coin and you said the probability of getting at least 60 heads is about 54%, implying that you would have an advantage. Anyway, I suggest don't clutter up this thread any more with off-topic posts.
     
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  18. TwoUp

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    I suggest you don't clutter up this thread with disinformation and incorrect math.

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
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    Actually, I believe Bago has shown some great looking results on Rsim in the past, and on demand too.

    I would prefer to wait until Turbo has posted the rules, then we can all try to replicate the results. But if he keeps winning he may change his mind, lol.
     
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  20. TurboGenius

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    That was because of a cheat which the owner of the site and I worked to fix (emails of proof available)
    Once it was fixed he could no longer pull off those amazing results, but instead blamed me for being the one
    cheating.....even though I helped fix it.... strange indeed.

    lol
    Nah, I said I would post it so I will. I really want to keep adding spins though as well.
    No matter how many, I'll still get "not enough spins" but if I save the session and start a new one
    it won't make that one huge impressive chart - and I... love... charts. At least doing it this way
    I can't be accused of hand picking results that look good. There should be a point where the house
    edge weight block drags it down, even though I don't see how that's possible considering how I play -
    it's always possible.
     
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