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TurboGenius When does it lose ?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    But that's still random right ? If 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 appears you argue that it's random.
    So a destroyed roulette wheel wobbles around and lands on 21,21,21,21,21,21 you don't dare say it's not random right ?
    Why keep going in circles ? Can random be measured ? Yes. Is there "random" and "non random" ? Yes.
    Does a bias wheel produce random results ? No. How so ? According to you any results can still be random, no
    matter how absurd they may be. You seem to believe "random" means "anything can happen". You don't seem
    to understand that "random" has limits. Non random has no limits.
    I play roulette - on wheels that produce random outcomes - nice to meet you. Let's start over.

    Are you seriously going to say that he doesn't have people recording spins in casinos ? Right this moment ???
    You're kidding me, right ? Or has the Saint moved beyond this silly practice and now just takes a quick
    glance at a wheel and know that it is bias, sits down and destroys the casino......
    Who's dealing with reality here and who isn't ? If he comes on here and lies about the spins he NEEDS
    to confirm the bias of a wheel then I might have to block him. At least be honest with people you
    supposedly are here to "save".
     
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  2. Benas

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    So I asked you maybe five times show few sequences and point which is random and which is not ! You never done that, so hard ?
    What is diference absurd results or not ? Absurd is not unit of measurement !
    If wheel is biased it generate not random results so sequence 18-3-32 will be random or not ? Can wheel one time generate random results but another - not random ? Wheel how decide when generate one when another ???
    So say from where you know that they are random ??? What is that feature when for you sequence is random ?
    What is difference they are or not ? That is his play and I not understand what is bad to have or not to have peoples who help in play ?
    Turbo, it is his play and he not need to gave you report, what he NEEDS what not ! he knows himself what he needs and he not ask your help for that...
     
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    So what is the math boys are saying a supermodel flying in her private jet, somehow her jet breaks open and she ends up crashing through the roof of my villa, landing on my morning wood causing me to impregnate her and our child, because of our outragious good looks becomes the best looking person on the planet is possible. It's random so it can happen??? Is that what 100 straight 1's in a row is equivilant to? That's what math boys want us to beleive? My wife won' t like that one bit.
     
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  4. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Answering a question with a question ? Is that the normal thing to do ?
    Is there "random" and "non random" ? Are there ways to test for this ? I say yes - do you agree ?

    Ha. No, they aren't people playing - they are recording spins that they then report back to him.
    But outcomes don't matter right ? Why don't they just record 1 spin and give him that info ?
    What if they send him 1,000 spins and he plugs them into his software and it shows where the bias is......
    Are you going to deny this is how it works ? Or would you rather believe something else ?
    What if the wheel visually looks bias - the spins say it's bias - but NO ! It's just random being silly because
    you say anything can happen with random.

    Oh to the contrary - but you wouldn't know about that would you.
    I'd be more than happy *when available* to record spins on a wheel and report back with them -
    strange though because I would be playing hot numbers and would clean up on a wheel like that without
    a care in the world if it's bias or not. He'll of course deny that he's playing hot numbers or sectors due
    to the bias and the wheel NOT producing random results.... funny though.
    All this talk in circles - just stop for a moment.

    Is there a way to test a wheel's "fitness" (coughs) that shows if the results are "random" or "bias" ?
    Yes ? Of course.. no need to answer. If you say YES ! then you also agree that "random" has limits.
    Are you not able to answer because the spinning will stop ?
     
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  5. Luckyfella

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    Benas,

    Systems players dont have to report to you too. System players didn't ask you for help.
    What else are you bs... ting? Lol
     
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  6. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You can't forget - the mystical and magical top secret Advantage Play club never talks about
    what they do. No one is allowed to ask them for proof or verification or advice - certainly not
    the lowly peasant system players...
    If you come on a forum with a system or idea - they will jump on and bash you with nonsense,
    but if you ask them to prove their own secret ways then they get offended. They shouldn't have
    to prove anything to the math ignorant system people lol.
    We should be happy to be so graced by their presence !! How dare we ask for proof.
    Reminds me of religion.
    I said before, I watched a documentary on whales and high rollers and how they operate.
    Not once was there a mention of the secret bias wheel players - so secretive is their art that
    they are never mentioned. Like roulette ninjas !!!!!! It's as simple as wearing a mask and running
    out of the casino with bags of cash and they never know what happened !

    But remember - if you have an idea, you better bring proof and step by step instructions...
    receipts from payouts and tax forms showing your gambling results... then they will still bash you.
    Ask them to do the same and it's another ball game.... Talk about charlatans - sneaking in the dark
    between casino heists and posting memes on forums while talking down to people they are no better
    than. I don't know if it's funny or sad.
     
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  7. Luckyfella

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    Tbh I have yet to figure out the motivation of AP players insecurities. They show this "if you're right then I'm wrong mentality."

    I won't question the validity of their methods. Why make it my business when I have no interest?
     
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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I said, "Also, I don't need any spins to find a biased wheel. Tracking spins in order to find a unicorn would be terribly inefficient."
    Of course I'll pre-track some wheels before playing, but sometimes I won't.
    I know right? What can I say...I'm gooood! :)


    I do not line up trackers on forums. However, I will sometimes ask people if certain wheels are still located in certain areas.
    Yes, minions are useful. Just ask Dr. Evil, Lex Luther, and even Darth Vader.
     
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  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Twoup,

    I have an idea. Why don't you create a bias sample for us and show us how using your binomial calculator is useful. Be careful, though. Wear goggles and a snorkel so you don't suffocate and drown in that BS.
     
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    Why to deny, that works something this kind and what ? For me all that looks natural .
    Way is, but what you understand as
    If even it have limits , then it is too far that to use it in play !
     
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    I remember was propositions to you to play the same wheel from DSAA, the same was proposition from me to play on my video , mine results can be easy calculated I can say how... but you never that acepted... so looks that you your play hide much more :)....
     
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    Here you got them .. intensify.
     
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    The binomal test is an exact test and the chi squared test is an approximation. Shame I have to school you on the approach that requires much fewer samples than the chi squared test.

    Even though you will refute it here, you will go and ask some wov buddies who will confirm it and then you'll go and use it.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_test

    Why are you still posting here? You're supposed to be proving your chosen100 outcomes is easy to witness before the end of the universe.
     
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    You realise there is only one distribution based on the 1/37 probability of the ball landing in 1 of 37 pockets?

    The outcome is either in the pocket or not with 1/37 probability. This is why we use the binomal calculation as it's an either/or test.

    How many probability distributions do you think the wheel has? I really have to shake my head as your grasp of the fundamentals.

    Again I'll refer you and SirNoOne to the Wikipedia on the binomial test and how to measure basis on an either/or outcome which is what the roulette wheel produces. Each pocket has the same probability I hear you all say, funny that you forgot that.

    Please take special note of the fewer samples required to test because it is an exact test and not an approximation like the chi squared test.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_test
     

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    Twoup,

    There's just so much you don't know, especially when it comes to the purpose of the chi square and measuring the fitness of the gaming device. Do you really not grasp why the chi square test is more useful?
     
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    I struggle to underestimate your capability, but I know exactly how I would compute bias estimation efficiently and with precision.

    I'm glad you are stuck with your methods as it hurts your returns and see no reason to assist you in your criminal enterprise.
     
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    Another white collar criminal ?" LOL.
     
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    Well SirNoOne runs a criminal enterprise and one day the hand will come down on his shoulder and he will be led away to live in a state funded facility.
     
  19. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Two,

    Here are the hits for each number from a live biased double zero wheel in Turbo's backyard. Show me why you feel your way is better. And by the way, here in the US the mind is not considered an illegal cheating device. However, to the novice untrained eye, it may look like something illegal or magic. ;)

    (Below the number 37 is double zero...and the numbers are as they are placed on the wheel.)


    37 416
    27 456
    10 445
    25 453
    29 444
    12 471
    8 481
    19 438
    31 458
    18 437
    6 444
    21 413
    33 470
    16 448
    4 467
    23 496
    35 462
    14 442
    2 441
    0 457
    28 439
    9 478
    26 433
    30 442
    11 451
    7 565
    20 464
    32 478
    17 446
    5 517
    22 483
    34 504
    15 468
    3 412
    24 388
    36 444
    13 622
    1 507
     
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  20. Nathan Detroit

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    Excellent best selection method . Recogniaed it immediately .
     

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