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TurboGenius When does it lose ?

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. DutchCrown

    DutchCrown Active Member

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    I kno
     
  2. Nimo

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    What I am saying is that with all the Pigeon Hole concept and the Birthday paradox talk going on , the number 9 has quite a significance that all the abacus users seem to skip over in trying to prove something, rather than reality observance. The odds do not change. I and others win within the odds.
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Then why bother with it?
     
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  4. SPIKE

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    You can only really win consistently if you change the odds in your favor, like card counters do. Casinos hate it when you do that, when you make it your game instead of their game.
     
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  5. Ka2

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    Well I had some free time so I programmed it further.

    Yes with 7 numbers you get a match 52% of the time. But it is not like betting 7 units to get 29. No because you can have a hit on the second third fourth etc etc. It cost you more units.

    If you wait until there are 7 numbers and bet for a repeat the statistics are as follows:

    No hit 80.6% of the time
    A Hit 19.4% of the time

    Will result in a loss.
     
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  6. Median Joe

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    Thanks Ka2, that confirms my earlier post.

    And your result of 19.4% betting on 7 numbers is pretty close to the theoretical probability of 7/37 = 18.92%
     
  7. 6th-sense

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    Already said this,,,no matter how many unique numbers you wait to come out then bet for a repeat it'll ultimately fail,,,
     

  8. thereddiamanthe

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    Hmmm .. @Ka2 just out of curiosity; what about double-leveling on that >50% chance; as in 1 number to once in 26 spins >50%. So, in case of no-hit in the first seven spins -- continue the betting on the first seven numbers, each for its 26-spin interval; dropping them out on a hit & restarting as soon as in overall positive (or very nearby ±0). How that fares?
     
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  9. Shank

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    Thanks, Ka2. I was too busy to post about this concept and explain why that 52% probability of a match doesn't help in an experience like Roulette, at least with a straightforward application. I wished someone explains the issue here. Kudos.
     
  10. thereddiamanthe

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    @Ka2
    At that point the game is nearby 38th spin; if still unresolved (=nominal positive) .. another 'shift' to playing (&or including) the unhits at their 1st appearance.
     
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  11. Rustyshackleford

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    every casino game offers a chance, opportunity, a path to turn a 40$ buy in to 11 grand.
    question is how likely is it going to happen? can you quit your job and bank on it?
    all you need is luck to do it once and skill to maintain it keep it going
     
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  12. SPIKE

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    Good luck with that. Pun intended..
     
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  13. Rinad

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    I am one who would for sure advice anyone to do just that ,smart call and still leaving the player with much "upper" potential.
     
  14. Rinad

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    because you dont want to play the last of anything ,
    play a Single not more then 26 spins (unless you are edging)
    play a Dozen like a Ec
    play 5 numbers like a DS,
    play a split like a Street
    that is "super safety"

    R.
     

  15. Rinad

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    play 9 numbers like it is a dozen . 9 numbers = 3 streets . leaving out the last one , the sleeping beauty.
    R.
     
  16. Herby

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    Hi Nimo,
    there are lots of Pigeon Hole concepts and I tested many of them per programming. My experience: in the long run they may run into a expensive deadlock similar VdW.
    How do you avoid this deadlock ?
    H.
     
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  17. 6th-sense

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    nice to see you here Herby
     
  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Simple, find a strategy that actually works.
     
  19. Herby

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    Hey Mr. Dr.,
    thank you for your outstanding advice. :)
    Short, pregnant and helpful for almost anybody.

    If you want to tell me more about differential equations, just feel free to do so.

    Which field did you make your Dr. diplom ?

    CU
     
  20. Herby

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    Hi 6th,
    nice to see you too, how is the going?
     

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