Craps Where's the proof?

Frank Scoblete - I have asked this before and you did not reply, but since you brought it up again - I will ask again to let you explain your side of the story .... the word from the craps pits in Tunica is that you were banned from teaching craps lessons in Mississippi because you did not have the proper business license as required by their state law -- that your banning had nothing to do with your shooting skills as you imply here and elsewhere ?

 

Hmmm!!!! The plot most certainly is beginning to get thick. Just sayin.

 

Hi Harley:

Here is the order of events. In the early days of Golden Touch (2002?) we (stupidly) attempted to hold our courses in casinos because we were invited. This did not work out as the Mississippi gaming commission and a member of the attorney general's office set up security at all the Tunica casinos to prevent us from teaching. Their position was that no one could teach people in Mississippi how to play. (Now that was amazing.)

We took the case to the Mississippi supreme court (free speech) and won. This allowed all the dice control instructors (at our expense) to come into the state (no thank you from any of them by the way). I was not even in the state when this happened.

During this time and before this time my wife the Beautiful AP and I had been playing both blackjack and craps in the state for many years --- great games at the time by the way. Our play had nothing to do with Golden Touch since most of it was played before Golden Touch existed. I always gave my card in because I felt those casinos were happy I was writing about how great they were. The executives thought this too. That does not mean I shilled for them. I always taught and wrote what I considered to be the best ways to play, either with an advantage or without by using the lowest house-edge bets.

Then came Harrah's entrance into the area directly effecting me at a few casinos and setting the stage for my banning from the state (I couldn't even book hotel rooms!). Ultimately for me, it signaled the end of my play in the state as casino after casino stopped me from playing. Sad but true. The casinos in the venue caused me to lose a job at a radio show that I had been doing for over a decade. Not my show but one that had a wealth (literally) of casino advertising. They would not advertise if I were on the show. I was fired.

Golden Touch some years later was told we would all be arrested if we taught our course in the state based on an 1800's law against (of all things) faro and the concept of gambling tables. Our attorney counseled us that we would easily win this case but that Mississippi would just keep doing this because they didn't care about the cost. We did. So Golden Touch moved to Memphis where I think they are still doing their classes. (I have nothing to do with Golden Touch any more as my book I Am a Dice Controller: Inside the World of Advantage-Play Craps will --- sadly --- explain.)

Now I have explained this numerous times but obviously some readers don't read what I have written. There is one post now really being nasty about me on one other section of this site. It has no truth but it is violently expressive.

So there you have it. The "casino pit" might say whatever it might say but the facts remain --- the above are the facts. I have never cheated; I have never been obnoxious to casino personnel. My banning as a player has to do with my playing. My banning as a member of Golden Touch has to do with (supposedly) state laws against teaching. Two totally separate things.

Now do me a favor. When this comes up (again and again) copy this and let them know these are the facts.

 

Frank S - thanks for your reply and the rest of the story!!!!

... I actually know another Craps player that was surprised to learn that his Craps Table player profile at 1 casino in Mississippi stated that he was a GTC instructor when in fact he never has been

 

Hi guys. Most of the folks posting here all know each other and I think they all have tremendous respect for one another as well.

But let me share my position. One thing that I try to avoid is pushing off a position onto someone else, but this is my position, and it's intended to be heard by everyone reading this forum.

First, and maybe not everyone understands this about my position, you must admit that the possibility that this could be done exists and you must also admit there can be no proof that it is impossible. That's just a given in my book and I don't think anyone argues that.

But considering the case where it does exist, most people who put effort into this activity is something along the lines of poverty-stricken uneducated children put time into playing street basketball.

Sure it could work out for you. But even the player who went pro can't prove that he did it without the assistance of good luck. IE: all the hard work in the world does not guarantee success. Not in basketball, and not in craps.

My position on dice control is that it simply is NOT realistic for an average guy to be able to perform it. AT ALL. Even with hundreds of casino visits per year and all the dedication in the world or even an UNLIMITED BANKROLL, it's not realistic to achieve an advantage game on average when at the tables.

That's about it, really. Couple that in with my belief that there are lucky people who think that they are good, and it's a case of "case solved!"

When the house is holding $5,000 per day on AVERAGE for a craps table, you wouldn't have to cut too far into that pie to get noticed. And I just never hear the news reporting on DI's hitting casinos. It always seems to be the DI reporting, and the claims seem dubious at best.

 

Ahigh - your basketball analogy may be spot on .... there are approximately 439 NBA players playing street basketball at the highest level

someone once said that there are approximately 200 DIs that can effectively influence the dice .... the rest are wannabe's or still practicing and learning for the highest level

the reason why you don't hear about DIs winning well enough - except in a few exaggerated Stories without proof being told somewhere by someone with an agenda usually to sell something, is that the craps business, unlike the NBA, is an under the radar non publicity type endeavor