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Baccarat Who likes to win?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Simplebetwins, Apr 20, 2022.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Disclaimer:
    I only play for entertainment and my methods are just for entertainment.

    I love the staking plan by TwoUp and would use the same set-up with a regression plan.
    I am considering using a gap methodology.

    This means there will be a gap between a series of five and higher.
    Where lower series will chop between them.

    You can use a series of two by themself.
    Or two singles by themself.
    I use both with my example.

    BP bet for the zig-zag to end, three attempts.
    PB bet for the zig-zag to end, three attempts.
    PP bet for the series of two to end, three attempts.
    BB bet for the series of two to end, three attempts.

    You bet on a rolling basis (fictive betting) creating a march with losses and winnings.
    You lose if you get a higher series and one fictive win followed by higher series again.
    Back to back.
    Where the likelihood is to get smaller series between.

    The fictive win is within brackets.
    And we start betting after the first fictive win.

    Results for around 1000 RNG

    first sample
    W W LW W W W W W LW W LW LW W LW

    second sample
    W LW W W W LLL LLW W LLL W W W

    third sample
    W W W LLW W LLW LW W LW LW LW W

    Here below is the march:

    284 RNG
    wwlll (w) wwllwlwlwlll (w) wlwwwlwwlwwlll (lw) lwwllwwwwlwwwwlwlll (w) wlwwwwlwwllwlll (w)
    wlwwwwlwwlwlll (lw) wlll (lw) wlll (w) wlwwlll (w) lwlwwlwwwwlll (w) wlll (w) lwwwllwlll (w)
    lwlwwlll (w) wwwllwwwwlwlwlwwlwlll (lw) lwwwlwlwwwlwlll

    280 RNG
    wwlll (w) wlwlwlwwwlwlwlwwlwwlll (w) lwlll (w) wwwlll (w) wwllwwwwlwllwwlwlll (w) wwlwwwlll (lw)
    lll (lw) llwwwlwwlwwwwwwwllwlwllwwwlwlll (llw) wwlwlwwlwwllwwlwllwlll (w) lll (lw) wwwllwlll (w)
    wllwlwwwwwlwwwwlll (w) wwwlwwlll

    313 RNG
    wwlwlwlwlll (w) wwlll (w) wlll (w) wllwlll (llw) llwllwwlll (w) wwwwlwwlwlll (w) llwwllwwwlwwlll (w)
    lwwlll (w) wllwlwlll (w) lwllwllwwlwllwllwwwllwwlwwwlll (llw) lwwlwwwlll (w) lwlwwwwwlll (lw)
    wlwwwwwlwwwlwlwwwwwwwlwwwwwlwwlwlwwwwwlwwwlll

    Cheers
     
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  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Bankroll required ?

    Projected Win goal ?


    Loss limit in % of BR.


    Happy Winnings .
     
  3. riverboat winner

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    you aren't kidding i learned that the hard way
     
  4. Joey Torres

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    Sorry to hear that. Martingale really sucks.

    Have you seen the discussion about the method that works at the Roulette Life forum.
     
  5. ehtelgaeb

    ehtelgaeb Active Member

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    Sputnik and I guess any others, what is you opinion on

    BPB bet for the zig-zag to end, three attempts.
    PBP bet for the zig-zag to end, three attempts.
    PPP bet for the series of three to end, three attempts.
    BBB bet for the series of three to end, three attempts

    Just opinion. Please do not work out a series or anything. Thank you.
     
  6. TwoUp

    TwoUp Well-Known Member

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    The method used my tiered betting progression, which requires 4 units to start.

    The bankroll requirement comes down to how many attempts you want to have at the progression vs the unit size you decide upon.

    Remember you only lose the progression when you lose 3 times in a row.

    If you say decided to have just 1 attempt and had $1k session bankroll then your unit size would be $1000/4 = $250.

    If you decided to have 5 attempts then your unit size would be $1000/(5×4) = $1000/20 = $50

    Here is the progression again:
    Screenshot_20220515-102403_Drive.jpg

    Decide when you want to take profit. You can take profit along the way and see how far you can push it.

    This method has been used to break the casino successfully, many times in fact, most notably by Thomas Garcia back in 1860 who accumulated over 1.75 million francs who managed to break the bank 5 times. In today's money each franc is equivalent to $50 USD, which means Garcia accumulated a $87.5 million dollar gain against the house. So history proves it can work very well.
     
  7. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Since the game is Baccarat the base should be $ 40 . Bankroll $ 5 , 000 .

    Thanks .
     

  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    P. S. Losses do occur in " Camelot".
     
  9. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Now that we are living in another century I have adjusted the progression to


    3 2 1 . thus avoiding any unpleasant surprise dyeing the progression series .
     
  10. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Stevans note the details below.

    My recommendation creating a march using the following triggers:

    PB
    PB
    BB
    PP

    Not ...

    PBP
    BPB

    as you wrote with your example.

    The reason is that getting five swings is the same as getting five straight.
    Let's talk singles and the selections BP and PB.

    When you bet three attempts against BP or PB you will get five swings, five resulting or changes.
    BPBPB so no matter what the sixth outcome is you have five swings to avoid with three attempts.
    That is 50% chance & 50% chance & 50% chance - same as five in a row BBBBB

    This march is important because you make all this fictive betting until three loses.
    And then when a fictive wins (after three losses) you bet for the real next opportunity.
    Trying to avoid back-to-back.

    Cheers
     
  11. bacproof

    bacproof New Member

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    S,
    after the fictive win (w) how many times you bet on the same trigger? 3 or just one decision (win or lose wait for the next trigger)
    just to clarify
    thanks
     
  12. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    bacproof I was going to email Jimske about my new discovery.

    The post above aims to win once after a fictive win using the progression TwoUp suggest (up as you win).
    But this selection and march work like an algorithm.
    Strict mechanical rules.

    I use this method with a 15-step delayed Fibonacci sequence and make +30 to +40 units for every 300 placed bets samples.
    I have a lay method for the Over & Under 2.5 goals market (sports betting).
    That can be used on exchanges or clones.

    Where I aim for two wins after a fictive win.
    Where I start betting directly after I see BB or PP or PB or BP then bet until three loses.
    Then wait for a fictive win and start betting again and here I restart from the beginning after two wins with the Fibonacci sequence.
    I have done around 1000 placed bets and reached the third level once.
    You just use the first three bets up and down until three loses and then the second level up and down until two wins and restart.

    This march can also apply to betting exchanges where they operate with bitcoins.
    There are no limits.
    I reckon to get this method coded for Roulette Extreme and have only tested it with no zero

    Fibo progression.png .
     
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  13. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Illustration Shoe 1 from Wizard Of Odds (remove ties)
    Here can you see the chunks of winnings.
    Keep in mind that we bet on four horses, not just two.

    Code:
    B
    P
    B L
    B W
    B L
    B L
    B L
    B
    P
    B
    B W
    P W
    B
    B W
    B L
    P W
    B
    P L
    B L
    B W
    B L
    B W
    B L
    P W
    B
    B W
    B L
    B L
    P W
    P
    P L
    P L
    B W
    P
    B L
    P L
    P W
    P L
    B W
    B
    B L
    P W
    P
    B W
    B
    B L
    P W
    B
    B W
    P W
    B
    B W
    B L
    P W
    P
    B W
    P
    B L
    P L
    P W
    P L
    B W
    B
    P W
    B
    P L
    P W
    P L
    P L
    B W
    B
    P W
    B
    P L
    P W
    B W
    
     
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  14. ehtelgaeb

    ehtelgaeb Active Member

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    Sputnik, I follow your logic for the most part above but I can't figure out your skipped (non played) hands. For the most part you only skip one hand but on the initial sequence you have 2 L iar and then you skip 3 hands

     

  15. ehtelgaeb

    ehtelgaeb Active Member

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    And...........................

    It would seem that the nemesis of this methodology would be long chops and long runs, but again, I'm not fully up on what you are doing.
     
  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You can skip this simple method and move to the next one.
    Is a simple and effective method, no more or less.

    I have a horse method with a positive ROI flat betting - lay the favourite - with 1750 placed trades.
    I run through the selections with my method and end up with 256 selections.
    The worse string was LLL - LLL - WW which happen three times during 256 placed trades.
    That was a -6 unit drawdown that easily vanished among the winning strikes.

    Just saying ...
     
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  17. Simplebetwins

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    Hello all the winner's!
    Specifically Nathan and Spike! Just came here to drop good wishes, hope everyone will make a huge Run, good luck at tables, and play what works for you the best!

    Especially Olivia, hope you took out profit and i hope you still crashing it. Keep them units stacking
    More details - if you like to know my play at point when i open a table is, i just start to bet if time is still rolling or i just wait for next opportunity, i dont mind what came out until i didnt bet, everything matters just then when i put my money on a table!

    I apologize that my response is so late Olivia. I forgot about this forum lol

    Really grate ideas people are sharing here. I will take something for my self too, thank you for your kind hearts boys! :stig:
     
  18. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Skip the method above - is too risky to use a 15-step fibo in cycles of three.
    I don't recommend the method to anyone.

    Cheers
     
  19. riverboat winner

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    i haven't seen that , do you have a link for that?
     
  20. 5pinn

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    come on tell me your progress for baccarat
     

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