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Roulette Why is the average Interval 7.3 spins in relation to a single number becoming a Repeater ?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rheti, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. nevk

    nevk New Member

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    Mine is correct as I intended, after number 6 we have a win, so trigger is a *win* after virtual loss of more than 10 spins. I just want to eliminate 26 unique number sessions(I saw once)
     
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  2. nevk

    nevk New Member

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    To remove confusion, I reformatted a bit, hope the following play helps.

    A short example session is as follows(with given bank of 400 units):

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    Spin:1 number:23
    Spin:2 number:0
    Spin:3 number:27
    Spin:4 number:1
    Spin:5 number:22
    Spin:6 number:2
    Spin:7 number:29
    Spin:8 number:24
    Spin:9 number:21
    Spin:10 number:26
    Spin:11 number:36
    Spin:12 number:3
    Spin:13 number:8
    Spin:14 number:14
    Spin:15 number:6
    Spin:16 number:31
    Spin:17 number:6, virtual win, session qualified, ****VIRTUAL LOSS*****
    Spin:18 number:27
    {27=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:19 number:5
    LOSE, unit:1 number:5
    Balance is:399
    {27=1, 5=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:20 number:32
    LOSE, unit:1 number:32
    Balance is:397
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:21 number:1
    LOSE, unit:1 number:1
    Balance is:394
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:22 number:8
    LOSE, unit:1 number:8
    Balance is:390
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:23 number:29
    LOSE, unit:1 number:29
    Balance is:385
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:24 number:20
    LOSE, unit:1 number:20
    Balance is:379
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1, 20=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:25 number:10
    LOSE, unit:2 number:10
    Balance is:365
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1, 20=1, 10=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:26 number:19
    LOSE, unit:3 number:19
    Balance is:341
    {27=1, 5=1, 32=1, 1=1, 8=1, 29=1, 20=1, 10=1, 19=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:27 number:10
    WIN, unit:5 number:10
    Balance is:476
    §§§§§§§ NEW HIGH §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§: 476

    Now wait for another ****virtual loss*****
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:28 number:18
    Spin:29 number:2
    Spin:30 number:31
    Spin:31 number:20
    Spin:32 number:21
    Spin:33 number:2
    Spin:34 number:30
    {30=1}, virtual win
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:35 number:15
    Spin:36 number:12
    Spin:37 number:29
    Spin:38 number:34
    Spin:39 number:28
    Spin:40 number:13
    Spin:41 number:24
    Spin:42 number:2
    Spin:43 number:2
    Spin:44 number:4
    {4=1}, virtual win
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:45 number:8
    Spin:46 number:4
    Spin:47 number:28
    {28=1}, virtual win
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:48 number:36
    Spin:49 number:30
    Spin:50 number:5
    Spin:51 number:27
    Spin:52 number:6
    Spin:53 number:34
    Spin:54 number:12
    Spin:55 number:22
    Spin:56 number:16
    Spin:57 number:21
    Spin:58 number:12, virtual win, session qualified, ****VIRTUAL LOSS*****
    Spin:59 number:34
    {34=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:60 number:24
    LOSE, unit:1 number:24
    Balance is:475
    {34=1, 24=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:61 number:12
    LOSE, unit:1 number:12
    Balance is:473
    {34=1, 24=1, 12=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:62 number:1
    LOSE, unit:1 number:1
    Balance is:470
    {34=1, 24=1, 12=1, 1=1}
    ------------------------------------------
    Spin:63 number:1
    WIN, unit:1 number:1
    Balance is:502
    §§§§§§§ NEW HIGH §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§: 502
    -------------------------------
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2021
  3. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Great to see 60 spins. General or is it Dr Sir anyone. The KTF; spin 15 Priyanka's target made.
    upload_2021-8-22_15-24-42.png
     
  4. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    upload_2021-8-22_15-27-2.png

    If repeats average is 1-3-5-7&30 @ 60 spins. 1-3-5-7=16

    9-7-5-3 =24@40spins

    So, 40 spins show’s 28; +3.

    Why +3?

    If the distribution of repeats over spins 11-40; actual 30 spins is 3-5-7=15. Its fair to say 30 divided 15 =2. So, every other spin could be a repeat.

    The fair distribution for repeats would be 5-5-5 over the spins of 11-40.

    We can see spins 1-10 is 10/10, no repeat. Add 15 to the 10, 15+10=25. You expect to see 25 of the starting 37, to have hit by spin 40.

    If 25 non-hits had hit it would read 25+0. But 28 non-hits have hit, so 28 +3, because 15 non-hits and 15 repeats are expected, The 5-5-5.

    Okay, the non-hits are fast!! If the average at 60 spins is 50/50; 30 non-hits and 30 repeats, you only expect 2 more of the remaining non-hits to hit.

    With only 12 repeats by spin 40 and the average at 60 is 30 repeats; what’s going to happen?
     
  5. Rheti

    Rheti Active Member

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    Naughty,

    Here are certain spins from Wiesbaden

    explain in detail what you are doing..

    the repeaters yes

    21
    33
    12
    9
    8
    34
    21
    23
    4
    30
    4
    8
    3
    1
    33
    35
    10
    0
    9
    26
    7
    36
    15
    14
    22
    5
    23
    11
    5
    31
    5
    5
    33
    28
    14
    35
    21
    10
    11
    24
    19
    28
    21
    6
    3
    5
    31
    14
    14
    14
    1
    25
    27
    13
    14
    5
    20
    17
    21
    24
    30
    27
    32
    24
    31
    17
    22
    32
    32
    16
    16
    8
    9
    16
    30
    11
    25
    17
    1
    34
    12
    35
    23
    8
    29
    3
    6
    5
    15
    25
    3
    2
    16
    36
    29
    6
    19
    33
    20
    33
    27
    12
    28
    30
    4
    25
    9
    28
    24
    27
    23
    1
    23
    3
    2
    18
    26
    36
    28
    2
    14
    18
    36
    11
    15
    27
    34
    29
    24
    25
    6
    9
    19
    31
    32
    18
    12
    15
    20
    11
    34
    12
    11
    33
    31
    28
    32
    14
    12
    16
    1
    26
    16
    31
    35
    28
    26
    28
    28
    0
    7
    3
    2
    27
    25
    19
    0
    4
    4
    33
    19
    0
    8
    21
    6
    19
    15
    9
    32
    19
    25
    6
    30
    29
    36
    6
    19
    19
    34
    31
    32
    16
    28
    9
    31
    22
    4
    10
    34
    29
    30
    2
    9
    15
    34
    11
    30
    28
    14
    15
    12
    23
    21
    29
    21
    17
    3
    34
     
  6. Rheti

    Rheti Active Member

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    there are 2 certainties

    7,3 spins average for a repeater... theoretical and actual

    wide range of spins

    1 to 24
     
  7. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Here are the 60 spins from NevK's 64 numbers. Perhaps countback will help you see how the stream develops, from largest to a 50/50 and repeats.
    What a day football motorbikes, roulette on back burner.
    upload_2021-8-22_20-46-21.png

    Here is a question. #12 was 25th non-hit and countback shows it’s fast. What would you bet? The 26th non-hit has an average of 3 spins to hit, marked in red. Would you bet numbers that have hit once would repeat or bet all R1’s to repeat? You would not bet the R2; #2 to repeat, would you!!!

    The average to hit for the remaining non-hit’s is 4 spins, the 27th-upto the 30th; marked red. How’d you bet these 20 spins?
     

  8. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    30 repeats and 30 of the starting 37, 30/60
    upload_2021-8-22_20-48-44.png
    Simplest to show was what is happening in last 20 spins, the repeats? You see where the 30th could hit in red. When did the 29th hit? early to its red marker. If you have looked in the non-hit time tables you could see how many maximum spins for the 30th non-hit to show.
    11 spins to get to where the average to hit places the 30th. Remember on average 30 repeats for 60 spins. 5 possible bets.

    Some might need to borrow Dr Sir's crystal ball
     
  9. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Rheti
    A bit late for me now. always tomorrow for me to curve fit for GLOAT, Dr Sir.
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    where does one start with your spins?
    1st off, I started writing a stream of spins in blocks of 10 spins. Never thought about a 37 spin cycle.
    One day looking at the blocks of 10 spins, could see the 1st 10 usually had 1 repeat. What you need to know is where in the 10 spins is 1st repeat.
    Next in the 2nd 10, spins 11-20 again could see only a few repeats, often it was 3 repeats.
    So, had to collect streams of at least 60 spins minimum 60, to build a data base. Now that's not easy to me as I'm no computer whiz.

    But, there's some good people on forums. One was Priyanka. They gave a tester for 60 spins. Reason.

    I said you could make £50 just betting non-hits. But, after 10 spins, to reduce stake.

    So, after 10 spins, if no repeat you bet remainning non-hit with unit of 1.
    If lose, just use +1/-1.

    Now what do you name the method, Turbo mocked, it seems now methods are 3 symbols, Ha ha. So it got called KTF.
    Keep The Faith; as you need to0.

    Anyway enough of that.

    Here are 3 checkpoints from Priyanka's tester wih your supplied numbers and a brief.
    upload_2021-8-23_15-26-12.png
     
  11. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Here you can see the tester and checkpoints. Stop spin 25 +58
    upload_2021-8-23_15-28-33.png

    Now data says repeats over 40 spins 1-3-5-7=16
    If you don't start with the larger group and go for repeats. You know there's a good achance of a repeat in 1st 10 spins.
    Like Winkel says its your decision whether to bet.
    Now if you watch the stream build, look above at countback it shows where the expected 15 non-hits/repeats could show in spins 11-40.
    You can watch the larger group. If by spin 15, spins 11-15 no repeat KTF has won and stop. But you could now think about repeats.
    The average in 11-20 is 3 repeats. See you have a window of 5 spins to make your decision
    spins 21-30 avaerage says 5 repeats in those 10 spins, So it's 50/50 for non-hit and repeats.

    There's more but you can do some research
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    upload_2021-8-23_15-50-27.png
    Rheti, this is 20th group of 185 spins given By Dr Sir anyone on roulette forum.
    You can see row 1 is non-hit.
    The 1st 10 spins had 5 repeats. The 6th non-hit, spin 11, hit in 1 spin. 7th 2 spins 8th 1 spin, the 9th non-hit took 3 spins.
    upload_2021-8-23_15-56-46.png
    18 of the 56 groups of 185 spins, 10/10; no repeat.
    Would your prog of 1-1-1-1-1-1-2-3-5-10 win?

    There's an average to hit as well as a maximum to hit.
     
  14. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Rheti; the chief of the riddlers; TURBO, says take 3000 to win 3000.
    So, an expert like him show's you need a big bank.
    Repeats average of 1-3-5-7=16 is plastered over forums.
    upload_2021-8-23_16-17-5.png
    These 35 spins are playing fair to that average. 12 repeats.
    upload_2021-8-23_16-18-22.png
    a profit. More could be betting for red/black by zigzagging on 2 columns. And less drawdown.
     

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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    upload_2021-8-23_16-34-43.png upload_2021-8-23_16-35-18.png
    It's all about 16 repeats. 4 mins ago perfect. 35 mins ago had to work for it.
    How can you bet for 16 repeats?
     
  16. daveylibra

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    Hi Rheti
    Let's not overcomplicate things.
    I do think we need to check the probabilities.
    Suppose we bet after 9, then 10 uniques.
    We need to know the probability of a repeat within 11 spins, not the probability of a repeat in up to 11 spins. This will be higher.
    See what I mean?
     
  17. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Davey
    This has been around nearly 7 years
    This is a test I did in November. I tested over 1 million single zero RNG spins and got this:

    2 3210
    3 6251
    4 9017
    5 10906
    6 12398
    7 12852
    8 12454
    9 11478
    10 10007
    11 8619
    12 6845
    13 5243
    14 3857
    15 2730
    16 1816
    17 1128
    18 687
    19 355
    20 246
    21 96
    22 61
    23 29
    24 16
    25 5
    26 3
    27 0
    28 0
    29 0
    30 0
    31 0
    32 0
    33 0
    34 0
    35 0
    36 0

    The most unique numbers in a row was 25 (The 26 means it hit on the 26th spin, so 25 unique numbers in a row) and this happened only 3 times.

    Rheti has 7.3.

    Most of the forum experts would say why wait.
    Why does Vaddi get to 7 and you hope it wins, 8 break even. Then all the riddles like the chief of the riddlers old Turbo. Vaddi wants someone to reveal something. Do pairs work?

    The one thing I know is in 40 spins usually 16 repeats happen. But you need a big bank like Turb's says to bet for repeats.

    Above Priyanka's tester shows larger group, 50/50 then repeats.
    GUT, the further into the stream/trot the repeats are showing
     
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    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Okay. At 10 mins wifey bought a snack. So 2 mins start again.
    10 games, Vaddi would luv it. One game takes 13 spins.
    I'm playing for a repeat and will take 1st profit Gigi.
    upload_2021-8-23_19-18-1.png

    upload_2021-8-23_19-23-12.png

    You could make 9 units betting for red/black, zigzagging on 2 columns and less draw down.
     
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    What size bank-roll can you use when using a Marty?
    If you reply; do you know how to zigzag? be worned a sequence on 2 columns can lose for 12 spins.
    If your bank would allow 8 spins would you wait 4 spins?
     
  20. Naughty but nice

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    1st profit playing for 16 repeats
    upload_2021-8-23_19-53-2.png
    Distracted, spin 23 should be 5 unit made the game longer

    upload_2021-8-23_19-56-9.png

    Off now to see if the Irons can smash Leicester
     

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