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TurboGenius Why we don't see it what just happened.

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by Ka2, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. Ka2

    Ka2 Active Member

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    Yesterday it just hit me why nobody has witnessed 1 to 37 sequentially in roulette. The fact is it already happend but we were not able to witness it. Why? I'll try to explain.

    Let's say we start over and start with 3 roulette tables the game has never bin played in history before.

    all 3 start and in total there are 20 spins, but not all tables have the same amount of spins just in real life.

    table 1 has 4 spins.

    table 2 has 3 spins.

    table 3 has 14 spins.


    Now let just make things a bit easier to understand and we say 1 to 6 has never happened and never will because nobody witnessed it.

    Is this true? Yes? But it did happened, But how???

    You see to combine results you have to do it in the proper way, let say for argument sake the odd for 1 to 6 to happen are 1:10 in average (it is not i know, but it is to make it easier to understand.)

    We say look 20 spins have already occurred in total (BUT not at the same time this is important) and it still hasn't show up. But this is a wrong way of combining the data, why? because each wheel is on its own stream, to combine the data. you have to put them one after another.

    So

    table 1 had 36 - 25 - 1

    table 2 had 2 - 3 - 4

    table 3 had 5 - 6 - 12 -37 - 34 etc etc.

    Do you see it now?

    Now most of you will say that is not right cause then there should be at least 2 wheel that has shown 1 to 18 at the end and another 19 to 0 on the second one. Right? No Wrong? Why?

    Cause time. To put all data in a FAIR stream. you have to add the numbers in the stream when they come in chronologically.

    So again 4 tables.

    table 1 start shows 1 at 1:00

    table 2 start shows 2 at 1:01

    table 3 start shows 3 at 1:02

    table 4 start shows 4 at 1:03

    table 1 shows 5 at 1:04

    table 2 shows 6 at 1:05

    table 3 shows 7 at 1:06

    table 4 shows 8 at 1:07

    etc etc etc

    Do you see it now? :)

    Different example say we had access to a super computer (because we need one to do the calculation my pc is unfortunately not fast enough otherwise i had show you the data :) )

    lets say the odds for 1 to 37 are 1 in 1 billion.

    I spin 1000 billion times (in one continues stream.)

    How many times has it shown up on average?

    A. a 1000 times?

    B. 0?

    Hope that this will understand things better for everyone.
     
  2. Ka2

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    Guys I was wrong, in the above calculation it doesnt matter if it is side by side or in one stream it is just as valid. My bad. I did a test in excel and the odds are the same. (put facepalm here)

    But however the example with the supercomputer is still valid ofcourse.

    Also the odds of all 37 numbers appearing chronologically are 1 in 2542620639232 (1 in 2.5 trillion) just like any other 37 combination. How many spins you think are played in total since the beginning of this game? I really havent got a clue?

    But here is a quick estimate.

    roughly 60 spins per hour. played 24 hours per day. 100.000 tables. it would take 48 years (ON AVERAGE) to show up. Just like one number can sleep for 400 spins (but on average it will show 1:37) a sequence of spins will of-course also sleep. So let's say it will also sleep for the same amount so 400/37 = 10.8. 48*10.8 = 522 years. So I guess we've got a few years coming :)
     
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    So the tree that fell in the forest didnt make any sound because we are all inside because of lockdown ?
     
  4. CarloDarlo

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    .............They have had this game and countless wheels spinning for about a century.....
    Like I said before.....
    The math states anything can happen all the time.... That isn't the case. They state 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 etc. can be rolled consecutively. Yet it never happens.
    Look at the wheel do you realize what the ball has to do within literally the next spin of itself for what 37 spins in a row........

    Random has limits.... There are some patterns there including in there calculation for 1 an 38. That those outcomes NEVER OCCUR. So you can literally omit those patterns....

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize o geezus there are 37/38 pockets you got a 1 in 38 chance...... Thanks....

    What is being said it that once the bitch spins the wheel i dont know a half a dozen times... I can tell you for a fact.. She WILL NOT....

    Roll 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc in a row.

    Shit ain't doesn't happen. Only time you'll see it is when you bootup Roulette Extreme and punch the numbers in yourself.

    Unlike Turbo I don't have the fortitude to explain to people anymore. I don't care. I get paid.
     
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    Previous post was rushed...

    In the simplest terms possible. You spin a roulette wheel 1 million times and the numbers will all land within around 1/38 an 1/37 give or take.
    But those same spins won't consist of patterns such as
    1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1

    1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18

    etc etc etc.....

    But the MATH says... At ALL TIMES! the combinations are always possible.

    The Kicker..... They never happen.... EVER.

    What turbo has been suggesting is there are exploitable bits... I call them more like phases of random. That can be exploited given the above.

    If those things never occur....... What also doesn't ever occur???

    Even better! What occurs frequently!!!! This is what the whole Law of Third dabbles on about.

    We know 24 numbers land yadadadada.

    I'm not hand holding just thought I would clarify the above a bit more.
     
  6. Ka2

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    But the thing is they do occur given the right time frequency! Now ok so you say, well I have a system and it wins all the time because 1 2 3 4 5 6 will never show up (same thing just shorter ok?)

    Now my honest question to you is, because it will never ever happen (according to you) with that knowledge you will always win. But if it shows up (theoretically) , do you lose it all back? (and some more due to house edge)

    Or do you lose 50% or 25%. See if it only loses 50% agreed then you still have a winning system. If it loses 100% when it will show up you are screwed.

    Now with the information above.

    we have a 6 number roulette wheel the chance for 1 2 3 4 5 6 are 1 in 46656 (Just like any other combination.)

    I programmed this in excel. I played 4665600 games of 6 throws according to your knowledge it would not show up. It did show up, how many times? 101 times!!! 4665600 / 101 = 46194.06 just like the odds say they would.

    Also I made an error with odds of 37 in 37 happening. The odds are not 1 in 2.5 trillion but

    1 in 285273917723724000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

    So it would not take 48 years but a whopping

    5427585953647710000000000000000000000000000000 years (on average ofcourse :) no wondering it hasnt been witnessed yet but it will show up eventually not NEVER I hope it all makes sense now. :)
     
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  7. CarloDarlo

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    What interesting from Excel / Wizard of Odds/ Random.org.

    It's not real life. It's computer programmed random. When you play in a Casino you have real Physics at work from Air pressure to throwing speed and even Dealer Signature to contend with..

    If you look at the Roulette Wheel and start drawing lines from Each number of what needs to occur for 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 etc. to actually occur. It's wild and its the reason why it doesn't in occur in a real life setting.


    But back to the wagering end of things. Even if the unthinkable of events that has never happen yet all of suddenly occurred. Two things would have to happen.

    1. I would have to actually be there for it to have any impact on my play. (This is really CRUCIAL)
    Your odds are already astronomical the event occurs in the first place. Let alone I have to be at the same casino or online dealer at the EXACT time it occurs.


    2. I Don't use a Grand Martingale. So it's never all or nothing situation for me. So even if it did occur. I wouldn't get cleaned. (Also crucial you need MM at the end of the day to beat these games.)



    Without diving too much into my betting methodology. I bet against the frequency of things that rarely if ever occur.

    example if your walking by and happen to see on the marquee. Spins #1,1,1. I would jump in and wager on 2 and 3rd dozen.

    Because I don't like the chance of #1 landing 4 spins in a row. Nothing is stopping a Green from landing or any other First Dozen from landing.

    It's just and example of wagering against Unlikely events. I'm not arguing with the math. I Bet if you run enough simulation's into the next millennium you might find every combination hit.

    That doesn't matter much because you likely won't be alive. Even if you are alive there is astronomical odds of you actually being there when it occurs to boot. Combined with MM and small trip goals. $$$$$
     
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  8. Ka2

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    For your sake I hope you are going to win for a long time. Good luck to you!!!
     
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