Baccarat Win little, lose big?

See my last post. I totally think I got it now. Please take into consideration how peculiar my gambling career was when judging me on my slow uptake. Sorry Spike. Twenty years of thinking a certain way has made it really hard for me to grok other's perspectives.

 

Yes, how could leaving change anything, the events are random and not connected to each other. It's a finite process that begins and ends with each spin. My goal to make one unit is efficient and is the only way to play that makes sense to me. It gives me the least amount of exposure and takes the least amount of time. I get no enjoyment out of playing so the quicker I can get it done the better.

 

Yep, I got it. And this analogy is perfect. No of course you would not work 24/7 just because you could. You'd leave when your shift was over and for you this simply takes the form of a win goal rather than a clock time. Your win goal is the same as my disco music.

I feel like a great weight as been lifted from my head. Peace.

 

Hay mark this day on your calendar as the day you totally got your point across to a math geek and won the exchange.

I've been losing a lot of these lately, I must have lost my edge...

 

I have a win goal based on something entirely different.
I hate the casino. While I may look forward to winning. I don't look forward to being there longer than I have to. Win goal five units. Try not to leave without it. Loss limit don't have one it never worked for me. I can and will play out of a hole my selection method is good enough. It's up to me to come out. If I have to stay there for hours I will.

Today walked in. Sat down. Board has a run end and 2 2 1. Will dbl run? Maybe, maybe not. Hit 5 in a row dbl. Stopped one more hit without me betting and the next one loss. 5 units minus a little commision. I'm good, I'm done, I'm going home to enjoy the rest of the day.

If, and thats If, I'm feeling it I will go for 10 units. If I get there and lose a couple I'll stay till I get back to 10 and go. I won't go for a commision unit. If I stop at 5 and am down 1 unit commision I'll stay for my commision unit. If it gets hard I'll take what ever I have and go home. Winning days seldom go past 1 shoe or a half shoe.

Yes I used to play multiple times and multiple casinos in a day. Frankly tired of it. Win or lose it becomes a job.....A stressful one at that...

As a side note: I get tired of How are you tracking it? Doe's it work? You know that won't help! etc., etc., Having to watch dealers deal and take commision. Yeah they sure make alot of mistakes don't they. Why would I want to be there?

 

thank Spike for giving me this teaching since I joined this forum. It changed my way of seeing the game!

 

The Reading both EC forums ,roulette and Baccarat, the casinos have nothing to worry about .

 

Seeing into the mind of a math person was kind of eye-opening for me. What was obvious to me was not obvious to you at all. I get constant flack from math people about having a goal when I play, they do not understand it and think it's stupid. Just play and play and play they say if you have the edge. As I pointed out in all the analogies I made, to me that advice is ridiculous. If I have the edge I should have a goal like I have a goal for everything else in life. Just playing and playing for the sake of playing makes no sense to me. But it makes sense to math at people, and I don't know why.

 

Good advice is hard to come by .

 

I know that we both talked a lot about fatigue and then beginning to make mistakes over the past decade. Never play until you are tired. Not only will you likely get lazy and play dumb but it will wreck the next day as well. Stay very sharp and focused and don't blow all the braincells. It's the main reason to get what you came for and leave. At the first point that you reach it., that's it.

If people want to be rich then do it the way that stock traders do it. Grow your assets over time. It's just like executing a good stock trade. You come back to the game and execute another at some other time. A whole lot of small trades end up becoming a huge pile. Use the casino's power against them. They count on you replaying your winnings and losing them. If your goal is to take out the casino on the first wave of upticks in the graph then you have the advantage over the casino that expects you to play your winnings and lose them.

 

"not obvious" is the understatement of the year. Honestly, it's a miracle I ever got it, and if not for that funny experience at the Hilton with the disco music I might not have ever understood you.

It's crazy to me just how differently people can think. We as a society have to be more mindful of this, and stop seeing all divergent opinions as a sign of malicious intent or inferiority.

Different can mean inferior. It can also just mean different.

We seem to forget this far too often, probably because our sense of self worth is often wrapped up into being right. I vetoed that a long time ago and instead derive my self worth from a willingness to be wrong and accept new ideas. It works out, I'm wrong a lot...LOL...

 

It is a huge part of how I play. I'm good for about 45 minutes and then I can feel myself start to fade, my attention starts to wander and after an hour I'm no good at all. I've read about it and that's typical, most people cannot pay attention for an hour before their work starts to suffer. It's the reason casinos give dealers a break generally every 30 to 40 minutes. After that their attention starts to fade and they start making mistakes with the money. One Casino I used to go to gave a dealer a break every 20 minutes. A 20-minute break every 20 minutes for the entire shift.

Playing online I never play longer than 30 minutes because I start not noticing things and my play gets very sloppy. An average player in the casino has nothing to pay attention to they can play for hours on end and drink while doing it. I have a ton of stuff I have to keep track of and I never drink in the casino. Even in Vegas where the drinks are free.

 

Can you explain the logic behind the math people's belief that you should just play and play and play if you have the edge. Because I still don't get it, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. Yet I've heard it again and again and again, they've even called me names because I have a goal when I play.

 

I still ain't understand why a cat with the 88% strikes rate seem so stuck in the chickens shits, scared, loser recreational players mindset, hey hey.

 

He might be satisfied with one $ 500 unit . No sweat .

 

You don't understand because I don't do 88%, that's just stupid. I don't understand what's chickenshit about playing for a goal when the goal can be any amount you want. Your advice is to just sit there like a ploppy and bet and bet and bet. After 30 to 45 minutes my ability to concentrate is gone. So once again you have no idea what you're talkin about.

 

In a brick-and-mortar casino that I don't go to very often I would be satisfied. Online it's totally different. There's a computer algorithm that analyzes every player, how would it look if you won $500 every time you played and you never lost. How long do you think you could get away with that before they banned you. A week? A month? It's not worth doing it just to find out.

 

This is why these discussions are so stupid for the Bac section.
First if you played BJ the way the counters do. It is no more than solitaire. Your decisions are by the book and adjusted by the count according to their false math. Period.
This is why they for the most part get their asses handed to them. The majority stating an edge don't have one and don't win.
Bac has no counting and if you played it like solitaire betting for instance one side by a set group of rules you again will have your ass handed to you.

Some have been successful using simple trending. Some more advanced trending. Others studying the patterns produced by the shoes.
Make no mistake if you bet by luck you could win. Hell you go on a board telling everyone how great you are. And then you can and usually will crash and burn because no matter what you use there is no edge to be had. There is dancing around the devil.

And when a math guy can tell me in BJ how counting affects the order the cards come out..... Heck I would listen to that....

 

Trendings??? patterns capturings???? What year is it, how long have I been sleeping for, hey hey????

 

Watching how bac players bet most of them use trending and patterns. Some bet for them some bet against them. Some of them are very good at it. There's a middle-aged guy from India at my local casino who is ahead by a couple hundred thousand dollars and they let him play cuz they want their money back. He never bets less than $1,000 which is the maximum bet. If he wins a few hands he leaves if he loses a few hands he leaves. If he keeps going back and forth he'll play for a while. In the times I've seen him play he wins far more often than he loses. Very good with trends and has an uncanny sense for when a trend will end.