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Roulette Winkel's G.U.T. - 1000 units challenge

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by System Gambler, Sep 24, 2016.

  1. redietz

    redietz Well-Known Member

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    Simple question: how can you test a system to demonstrate that it fails? If the system promoter has no answer to this, has no way of definitely saying, "If this happens, the system does not work," then it's not really a system. It's a belief, a religion.
     
  2. System Gambler

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    Simple play each and every crossing without thinking. Sure way to make the system lose.

    I totally understand your reasoning. I would not play GUT in B&M although it is doable with one or two friends in a team.

    My 10th session is online. A short and well going one.
     
  3. System Gambler

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    Session 11 is online.
     
  4. System Gambler

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    A really well going session no 12 in on YouTube now. My goal is within reach.
     
  5. Daniel

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    I would incorporate this one im my way but with no big risk. Jusht a little push in hope for good luck. Lines must must cross!
     
  6. System Gambler

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    Session 13 is ready to watch.

    Final session, mission accomplished!!
    :D
     
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  7. RouletteGhost

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    Rather then tell you that it cant or wont work, i will say good job on winning

    For YOU it worked

    Certain people are OBSESSED with bashing gut. So congrats
     

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  9. System Gambler

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    Thanks for your kind words.
    I'm a believer in trends. Not only in gambling. I don't link the atmosphere that prevails at the gambling forums either, but I think it will change like all trends do.

    But I also understand that GUT is not for everyone as it is not easy to play it in B&M casinos.
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    The fact that the system is even called the GUT is absurd. It's nothing more than binomial distribution.
    Observing it is like observing that numbers hit about once every 37 spins. Such an observation doesn't tell you which numbers are more likely to hit, and knowing the probability of the game doesn't enable you to side step it.

    Now here's something that you don't know about the "law of the third". The law of the third, which the GUT basically plagiarizes, has actually been around for quite a long time. It only became popular after 1982 because of two gamblers that were involved in an incident in North Hampton. Specifically the Rubicon Club Casino.

    The two men were playing visual ballistics and were busted using while using a hidden communication device. (The device enabled the vb observer to discretely say the predicted number into the player's ear so that he could then bet a 12 number section of the wheel.) (It was not a computer.) They had been winning quite a bit of money, all over Europe with their method. When interrogated by the police, the Polish member of the group, Paul Phillips, claimed to be a mathematical genius that had invented a method based on the "Phillip's Law of The Third." Of course, both the name of the man and the system were just a cover story for the visual ballistics.

    After being arrested and spending the night in jail, the police chose to let them out of jail and offered them a chance to prove that they weren't cheating by demonstrating their 12 number betting method. So they did, over five whole spins. LOL! When they hit three or four times, the casino and police were flabbergasted at their hit rate. (Keep in mind the police and gaming were basically as stupid and naive as they are now.) Consequently, reports of the law of the third's success spread like wild fire! Everyone wanted in on the system. Even to this day people naively believe that the law of the third can win. All because of a cover story.

    Of course, later on, people like Ron Shelly and George Melas came to realize what was really taking place. The men were visual ballistic/wheel watchers. They continued onward, making millions on their tour across Europe. As did some German teams. Their success led to the invention and production of the low profile wheel.

    So their you have it. The GUT is a farce. It's a built upon a cover story created by two clever visual ballistic players that made it popular back in 1982.
     
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  11. RouletteGhost

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    What about the people that win using it

    You say people naively believe it can win

    What about the people successfully using it

    I think winning using fallacy upsets you

    You believe you can't win unless you beat the wheel

    When people win using other ways it doesn't count?

    Define "can't work" because for some LOT works
     
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  12. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Ghost,

    Most of what you've witnessed is curve fitting and small samples.
    Overtime everyone that plays the GUT will end up losing. KonFuSed even demonstrated it over a gazillion spins and handily demonstrated that it lost, as expected, at the house edge.

    Also, did you notice that nobody on Steve's game could ever produce a significant win using such a system?
     
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  13. RouletteGhost

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    You put these people into a group of retards

    That's not the case

    Sorry to tell your this, people do win using systems

    Now these people can win for months or even years. What do you say? U say it doesn't matter because long term it can't

    So what you are doing is saying the math says it cannot win. Ok fine. But people are winning lol

    I've won more then I have lost losing systems


    Call it what you will but I'm up. So stop saying people think they can win using systems is a farce because I know they can

    It takes more than a system. A stop loss is important. Everyone knows you will have losing and winning sessions

    You gotta open your mind a bit. No one cares that much. You have other reasons behind what you do

    At least you have a bigger brain then homunculus mr j
     
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  14. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Yes, but you haven't been playing for very long. I doubt that the amount that you've won is statistically significant. You're experiencing luck, aka variance.

    It doesn't matter whether you play with or without a system. After enough spins both will be net losers. I have no reason to tell you that systems don't work. On the contrary, it's of no benefit to me and at times it can ruin a good contact.

    You sure seem to care.
     
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  15. RouletteGhost

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    You don't get to decide what's significant

    Winning is winning

    You say "don't work"

    Your definition of work is tied to the math

    Someone who plays 6 months and wins using a "system" has a different definition of "work" then you do because they have won

    People have won years on end using GUT. You do not get to speak for them

    Yes the house edge has not changed. Doesn't mean the wins aren't there

    Maybe you take this too serious
     
  16. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Ghost,

    Anyone that claims to be winning with the GUT after a few years or more:

    1. Hasn't played for very many spins, and is likely just playing a few spins here and there.
    2. Is likely not telling you the truth.

    Have you ever really just stopped to think about the obvious? What is there about the GUT that could even enable it to work if the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next? Magic?

    And yes, we definitely have different definitions with regards to "winning" and a "working system."
     
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