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Roulette Winning at European Roulette

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by JohnB, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    Haahaa, I thought it was
    “Don’t pay the ferryman till he gets you to the other side “
    Some song in my memory from way back before now, name and band not remembered ,obviously lacking substance as it’s regressed to vague ish oblivion
    Cheers
     
  2. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    That is a good comment but it is a really difficult thing to achieve. There has been a number of threads this forum that you could research and follow through on , they have been identified as a “workable “ strategy by the original poster . As commented per various posters on a number threads the difficulty rests with the fact that the student for lack of a better word in trying to adapt or understand the said strategy will never really truly get it the same as the original poster has posted . In trying to explain the rules etc the student will always impose his / her own interpretation at some point and the strategy will not work for them. Then they say it cannot be done, etc.

    I would suggest you read gizmotron thread re random, Sputnik thread re March / final solution and you will see what I mean when you try to fit that to how you would approach playing to what they ACTUALLY say you should do.

    There are a number of cross dialogues on various threads that echoed the above statement on how hard it is to actually train someone both in time and effort, regardless if money has been charged for the service or not. The Consensus seems to be don’t bother. This leaves the door open for system selling and book hawking for a cost to the buyer, I don’t recommend buying system/books but I do actually see why they sell and in many ways I say good luck to both parties in the transaction.
    So you can see the answer to your question is in this forum but many find it’s not the answer to the real question they want to REALLY ask.

    If I was to apply gizmo or Sputnik theory in a working approach I would break it down in base bullet points and revision revision revision, then after a period of quite a bit of time , spent on thinking it through , I would apply it to a actual game , I wouldn’t run a sim as that is not learning, because you are learning , understanding their approach. Then I would see where I went right and where I failed, then I would revise again the bullet points and see what I have not understood. Then I would play a real game again, ( RNG included as I am a fan of the RNG stadium setup and so far imho have not seen a bias, imho ) then repeat the whole process until I’m satisfied I am doing it correctly.
    If I cannot reproduce their results then I have to look for WHAT I have introduced of MY influences into THEIR approach, and that will be the trigger failure there.
    Good luck with that.
    Disregard this as substance less as it is.
    Cheers
     
  3. Bago

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    There have been high rollers who have won much more in one night, are they professional? No, they just play corresponding to their bank account size, they can't repeat this. It's like the WSOP, for you, the one who wins is necessarily a professional because he won 10 millions, a one shot performance is not a proof of being a "professional".
    My definition would be someone able to win even small amounts but in the LONG RUN, like a daily job, and sorry for those who believe they will be able to earn X $/day by playing Roulette applying a "system" in their local Casino or online, it will never happen. As I wrote in a thread, those who pretend to be able to do it preferred to SELL those special systems instead of using them.
     
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  4. SERGIO

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    If that is your definition of a professional gamer, then I am one of them!
    I have been winning for over 1 and a half years consistently on software, live and air ball online roulette.
    I can show that there are strategies to constantly win the game.
    I do not care if you believe it or not, it is what it is!
     
  5. Punkcity

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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    This is a good post and an in total agreement with most of the post, although I would say you are 90 to 95% correct in reference to the sell part of the posted quote. There are a very few players that are professional, YET don’t sell the method they use and prefer to make a nice living for themselves.

    As I read threads here and I read your posts Bago in context to the threads posts as opposed to people who just read results from sims that they run ( not so subtle dig there hopefully it went noticed) and I’m aware of your stance on the subject of -ev games and I happen to concur in the most part.

    I equally detest system selling snake oil salesman and sim running junkies to boot , but hey it’s a forum so alls fair if they choose to post, in saying that I would also like to point out that there are a very few people on this one planet that do indeed make a daily job style living from table games and I’m not referring to black jack here, nor Ap plays. If you would ask me to give you conclusive proof of my just mentioned statements I would have to say no I cannot or rather I will not, thus rendering this post as moot and my statements as null and void.

    As untrustworthy as the interverse is and we have all experienced that to various degrees it should be a measure of a margin of error that sometimes someone does in fact tell the truth in regards to the claims of a workable method to sustain a professional approach to wagering. But you have to sift a lot charf before you get to the grain. So in that respect you are correct in your assumptions.
    So many words and so little substance. Gotta love English as translated from skippy talk talk. Cheers
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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    Punkcity,


    There is a formula with which one can drastically reduce the house edge .


    ND
     
  7. Bago

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    This statement is utopian, the equivalent of having seen an alien in your garden or Santa Claus next to your chimney, Roulette is unbeatable because it is a negative expectancy game, like Slot Machines, you put 100 coins in it, on average you get back 85 coins, and you will probably tell me you know also professional slot machines players who make a living by pulling the handle all day long with a magical system. Grow up or get your brain fixed promptly if you are an adult.
     

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    Bago why is Roulette unbeatable?
     
  9. Punkcity

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    Can I take a letter for $5000 please?
    Do I need to use that in a sentence or can I pass?
    IMHO and it’s ONLY an opinion , slot player are the purest example of degenerate gambling AND no I know personally NO ONE that is a successful slot player. But I have meet and know people that win $10 000 plus jackpots on a regular basis. Luck imho.
    But full time , slot player, successful in one and the same sentence , that’s a no.

    I am amazed at how many people that take a stance similar to what you have expressed will play a slot machine or play a table game that they profess is such a loser of a activity YET it’s ok for them to play BECAUSE they know it’s a losing Past time, and they are only playing for FUN , hypocrisy lmao lol

    Then they post on forums how righteous they are etc or someone should grow up or some other rot . My all time favourite is that mod ( the pommy one)on the other site that always berates people then in the next post regales his black jack or baccarat plays because he can because HES having FUN losing money, fun losing money, now that someone in need of a brain. You know the fire is hot , you tell everyone the fire is HOT yet you put your hand in the fire , it’s STILL hot but it’s ok because YOU know the risk AND you are having FUN = degen gambler right there.
    Don’t need an answer but I will pose the question have you bago ever played a slot machine EVER ? Had a little play on roulette or baccarat? Guess that HAS to be a resounding NO as otherwise it would seem that one would be a text book degen and render all posts void . Imho.
    As I’m not thin skinned I won’t suggest that your post is an insult as I’m sure you understand this post is not an insult to you either, but a conversation on the interverse between two randoms that are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. In the end of the day do you really think anyone REALLY gives a toss what we think or say on a forum ? Sad if you do. Sad sad.
    No I choose not to get my brain fixed pronto as that would lead to posts of substance and the hypocrite degenerates would keep posting bile anyway.
    Can I swap that letter for a vowel?
    Cheers
     
  10. SERGIO

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    You might be surprised what one can find within the random or pseudo-random mathematical matrix.
    But they will always say that it is pure fantasy and that you cannot win at roulette.
    Nobody, absolutely nobody who knows has found a pattern within the chaos, but there are and they are predictable and therefore you can consistently win at roulette, like any other random game, you just have to know the rules of the game and apply accordingly. correctly shape the patterns that the game creates.
    I'm just a con artist and fantasy ...
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    I'm long run pro/AP.
    I don't try to beat the game, I exploit the wheel in order to get the edge.
    Pros worry about whether we should milk the opportunity at hand or burn it down. We're more interested in casino win at roulette and how much we can take without triggering an alert.
    We don't worry about "quitting while ahead", or "money management". This is something that gamblers focus on, not advantage players.
    Reading forums is almost painful because of the utter nonsense that people write on retarded subjects like the law of the third.

    If you want to win, read on the history of the game. Read what the risk consultants are discussing. Attend the convention, join their twitter feeds, etc. They're a bloviating group that openly discuss the latest threats for several casino games.
     
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    I do agree with your definition regarding winning over the long run. In the Ritz casino example I believe that they did use a professional method to win and it wasn’t a one night event. They tested their method the first night and won a few tens of thousands of pounds and then the second night was when they won over 1 million. They may have used this method before that night and had been winning. How long would it have taken for them to win that in a longer period of time rather than go for it all in a night? That’s the risk they took which brought attention to them and why they will no longer be able to repeat it in the Ritz casino anyway. I tried to post a link to an article but it looked like the post would not get approved.
     
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  13. Bago

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    Show us the big Las Vegas checks.

    They could not have won this amount of money over the long run against the same wheel, if it was quite biased, the Casino staff would have spot the problem and if it was old design like the ball, and they used VB, they could have called NMB much sooner. They probably thought they were rich tourists playing their lucky numbers.
     
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    "Statistics does not say that the game of roulette is unbeatable: it only proves that it is unbeatable when using random play"

    'Random play examples:
    1. waiting for an event that will make you win
    2. trying to predict what comes next
    3. using a systems that uses: "what goes up must come down"

    Playing repeaters in a defined cycle could be non random play?

    Kind Regards
    (I am not a professional gambler only playing for fun)
     

  15. Bago

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    It is random, a repeating number does not offer odds better than 1/37 on the next spin. Roulette exists since more than 200 years, if a repeater gave an edge to the player, the game would have never been introduced in the Casinos all over the world. Such a simplistic idea has probably been tested the first year Blaise Pascal invented the game, and we have today on forums some deranged people who claim the contrary, despite being unable to demonstrate it mathematically, nor by testing in fun mode, they burn account after account. Sad and Funny at the same time.
     
  16. gizmotron

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    What about bet bigger when you are in a win streak and bet the minimum when you are in anything else?
     
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    It's best to report what has really taken place from those that have tried it out in the past year. For one thing I spent 14 years just dropping hints and playing for the super win streak myself. About 3 years ago someone here posted a video on playing like a stock trader. I switched from Double Dozens to Even Chance bet sizes. I adopted the principles of betting on the moving averages of support and resistance found in stock trading charts to Roulette. I then took on one student and taught him for 60 days, two hours each day. That student got to a consistent win to loss ratio of 2 to 1 where 1 to 1 in EC bets is considered mathematically impossible. So that student did not complain that it does not work.

    I waited one year and then someone here suggested that I could share it openly for free and it would not wreck Roulette because they would never be able to prove it. So more than a year ago in July I wrote the Reading Randomness thread. I simplified it down to just a few characteristics and gave clear examples where I answered questions on seeing what I meant.

    Several people from a different forum tried it out. Many of them reached that 2 to 1 win to loss ratio just based on my sharing it for free in a simplified format here. None of them received my one on one training. In fact nobody has received it since I shared it openly. One person over there tried it and gave up at slightly better than 1 to 1 and then went back to his preferred method of ESP.

    So nobody so far has tried it openly and failed and then came back to say it does not work. It all comes down to working to discover what is meant by it and getting good enough at the skills of self control and awareness, subjects that are easily spelled out. This is different because nothing is hidden and only suggested as loosely shared hints here or there.

    Try it, don't try it. I don't care. But at least be honest about reporting about it. There are people trying to assume what it is and sharing that openly and then working on it after having never read all of it. It has basic skills. They are all laid out. If you see this as some lame excuse for why it does not work then you are wrong. That's because it does work. I have stated clearly that people are easier to program than an artificial intelligence machine. So that it the route I have taken. This is the slow way. But it is still a valid way where the process of peer review is still accepted as validation.
     
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    There are people on the two forums where Reading Randomness has been discussed at length. It is easy to expose the critics that have never tried it and have still claimed what it is why it can't work. But when you ask them a few questions on what's being taught in the teaching thread they get an "F" for knowing. I ask them to explain what singles on the weak side means. They can't answer that question and try to get by on sophistry. It's all there. You can read them presenting hems and haws. It's sort of funny to watch them dodge the questions. That is the nature of the teaching and discussions threads.
     
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    When the "guessing game" is removed from roulette progression can be used in all different ways to adapt to the play style.
    Winning streaks do happen as we al now using triggers like www ect but its still a guessing game when will it stop.


    But how to to remove this called guessing game.? (Train our brain to recognize patterns or search for things that must happen in the so called pigeon hole theory)

    What do we know what must happen in roulette and how to use ? My uneducated opinion is that everything is related same principal that apply to single numbers must be applicable to even chances. Keep it simple ,

    Kind regards
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

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    Next a discussion about the betting horizon scenario . ?
     

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