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Baccarat Wizard of Rigged?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by RandolphJay, Sep 2, 2019.

  1. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    24 Streak of an EC is rare but not impossible. It is once in multimillion probability so seeing many times in a year is absurd. One can see it in the first day of play too but not so likely. Seeing anything beyond a streak or chop of 15 is unusual. Biggest series of Banker in zumma1600 shoes having over 114,000 hands without ties are 16.
     
  2. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Well, I hope not. It would be better for the code to do a fresh shuffle of all cards each time and then save them to a virtual shoe.
     
  3. Rustyshackleford

    Rustyshackleford Active Member

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    Before you go and waste your money with a betting system in the casinos, test it out on my 250,000 simulated eight-deck shoes. They were created using a Mersenne Twister random number generator and a Fisher Yates shuffle.

    Each file has 25,000 shoes and is 4.06 MB in size. Each line in each file is an individual shoe, starting with the shoe number, and followed by the outcome of each hand (P/B/T). The files are comma delimited for easy loading into Excel.

    heres the link to ease your curiousity if you believe the game is altering the flow of win/loss


    https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/simulation/bac-sim-25k-1.txt
    i thought it was more than 25k but still i doubt its cheating and it is probably throwing you "somewhere" in a random shuffle thats close to something thats already been played in the past pre-tense...
     
  4. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The old age debate. RNG vs. live dealer. IMO, the shuffle does make a difference and factory shuffled along with shuffle master pretty good at creating random events BUT . . . still these procedures not a great mechanical system to randomize. I think dice and fair Roulette is a better mechanical system - even lottery ping pong balls better.

    In the end if you buy this as random then you also got to buy this as a non predictable game where bet selection irrelevant. Just a betting and guessing game.

    So show a test against 250,000 events where the w/l ratio or LIAR/WIAR is different than the expected value.
     
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  5. Rustyshackleford

    Rustyshackleford Active Member

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    i too prefer hand shuffle over blackjack(when i used to play) id prefer a real shuffle of cards over a digital RNG in baccarat and i certaintly prefer older model video poker machines over the newer based ones the ones with the bubble when reach a hand pay

    i think i know what you mean i walked by baccarat screen twice in 2 weeks and saw more streaks connectors of bankers/players however it was only 2 samples need 8 more to get a firmer grip on things, the new video poker machines give a full house holding an ace 1 card cmon?
    and the losing cycles are more brutal just junk again id rather choose the old way over the new way of things
     
  6. jbs

    jbs Well-Known Member

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    Dude.... people have gotten royals holding one ace too. You act as if it's not at all possible for this to happen.

    I swear, NONE of you here have any idea about card odds.
     
  7. Rustyshackleford

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    the dud cycle frequencies off the new machine is freakin joke, i name the new machine of VP bankroll eaters, i know why they updated the new VP machines now, i to gotten 1 card hold royals and 2 card hold royals but new machines spit out junk hands more times than not and losing 4-6 hands in a row before a winner appears is very common but you will reply isn't it 45 over 55? i say yes but again the frequency of losing your bankroll and winning your bankroll is heightened while older machine is more like a grind until you hit the royal or 1/2
    royal
     

  8. fathead

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    I would prefer that the code do a new shuffle each shoe than recycle the same 25,000 shoes over and over. Hopefully they are not doing that.
     
  9. Rustyshackleford

    Rustyshackleford Active Member

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    as long as its random and as long you can't predict the next result it could mix that 25k shoes in anyway which way it wants and you still pay the piper with any betting structure out there but my guess its much wider than 25k shoe results
     
  10. Roco Martin

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    I don't think so
     
  11. Rustyshackleford

    Rustyshackleford Active Member

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    you don't think so what? that all betting structures have their problems? that wizard of odds baccarat downloaded text or flash game is not the same?

    if you can't predict a win or loss or predict the next card without any degree of accuracy then its random
    betting 1-2-3 will capture some good wins but at the end will still be as anywhere with any betting system
     

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