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Roulette You can't beat the math, or can you?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Sep 12, 2016.

  1. Daniel

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    I guess one can consider this a line of practice.

    Just doesn't make sense does it? I mean you can cash out thousands per day in roulette and you want to share with your human brothers BUT, a price tag must be there because you've wasted to much something of yourself in this amazing creation of yours and this payment you ask is just after all to avoid spreading knowledge at a pace that would literally close down casinos.

    Will we ever find a guy that says I make millions and this how: 1,2,3. Try it & let me know.
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

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    Even spies pay for valuable information.
     
  3. Daniel

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    Hi again Nathan.
    I like your comment.
    Do you think there is a possibility that many of this secret holders don't know how to beat the game and they just read a lot and make up ways for others to be puzzled?
     
  4. Nathan Detroit

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    Systems alone do not make you a winner. A system is only part oi the entire picture Add to it Money management, exit strategies when winning or losing. Discipline to adhere to those rules.

    Not to forget the proper bankroll and dividing it into equal session amounts .

    Never chase losses with a martingale or any other negative priogrssions .

    Secure higher winnings with mild positive progressions which bring you to your win goal much faster.


    Never replay any of the accumulated net winnings. That would be like adding to the bankroll . All calculations of win goal and loss limijt are based upon the particular session`s bankroll.

    Forget that beating business. . Lose less and winnings are more as you go along.
     
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  5. Daniel

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    Hi Nathan! Your advices are being followed.
    Read my post if you have the time. Progression wise, I'm struggling to avoid positive progression although I'm not found of it. I get big wins using negative ones. I call negative the ones you add up your bet after a win... Nut i still use a run after loss even if it is a small one.
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

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    I am a short term player. Usually between 3 - 12 spins. By that time I know where I stand.
     
  7. Daniel

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    I play for a couple hours. Although i do like VB and sometimes i use 5 -6 step paroli just for fun when in profit. Lose a lot of 8-10 chips but when i pull it off i can get to 900 chips in those same spins.
     

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    Complete BS Nothing you do on a -EV will make you a long term winner. It's all gamblers fallacy. Using MM exit strategies and whatever other BS just prolongs how long someone plays by reducing the amount of time they expose themselves to the HA.
     
  9. Daniel

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    Hi there!
    Only play inside bets for sure. But MM I found it quite helpfull...
     
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    Helpful how? You mean stop playing before you lose all your money? That sounds like common sense, a 6 year old can figure that out.

    Stop once you're up $500(or whatever) because you'll end up losing it all back? Who's to say you won't or wouldn't have went on to make 3 times that amount? Ya but every time I decide to stay longer playing roulette I always lose. Of course, the game holds over 5% the longer you stay the more you expose yourself to the house advantage and the more likely it is you'll lose.

    There is zero difference playing 1 day for 5 hours or 5 days at one HR. You just draw out the inevitable (win or lose)over 10 days.


    If you found a 10 percentage mathematical advantage on roulette what would you do? Would you stop if you were up $500(or whatever)? If not, why not? If so, why?


    If you have a mathematical advantage then over betting your bankroll can be dangerous, however there's a formula for that called kelly.

    Why can't system players tell you what advantage percentage they have? They are always talking units, however they should be able to get a percentage estimate over a period of time. I'm willing to make a wager with them VS their system. Ill flat bet without money management at half of the advantage percentage they claim or use use kelly. If they actually have 2x the advantage I do then they should crush me easily.

    If you have a 5% mathematical advantage over time your bankroll (Unless you keep over betting it) will keep going up no matter what strategy you use. You'll lose one a -5% over time no matter what strategy you use.
     
  11. redietz

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    Axel,

    I bet you're the dude people hire to explain to their kids that there's no Santa Claus. Somebody's gotta do it.

    I'm kind of freaked out being on a gambling site where a lot of posters are seriously discussing roulette systems and gambling progressions on negative games, and money management, as if they accomplish something.
     
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    If you think this is bad. Go read Gamblers Glen.
     
  13. Daniel

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    Hi there! Thank you for your time.
    I will only stop using MM if one day I get good at finding where the ball is going to drop. Maybe you understand that without it I just don't know how to do it.

    Even betting 18 numbers my max is 8 in a row hit. A lot of time I do 3 straight hits with VB/DS help...

    Betting with few chips like 2 chips... Will get me dead many times. I can even predict the half wheel but then the bumps in the metal at the pockets or the way the ball comes I have no idea how to do... Not yet at least. The mas I got was 3 times in a row playing 2 chips. The mas I failed was 25... Because then I left LoL

    That's why I developed my way... And I accept you call that stupid! No worries.

    Having won 8500 chips and starting with 100 means nothing. I just post it because I believe that like me, there are others who cannot simply find out where the ball is going to drop. I don't believe my own way as a way to master roulette of course. I just experience consistent profit with it over the past months and so I though coming here to learn more and share my small experience. Of course I will not claim any advantage over a system.

    Like I say, I do incorporate VB, DS, and my way to see bias (i don't do charts bu after 3 months I already know the numbers that show most in a particular section or the numbers that show the least).

    But until I become master off roulette, I find MM usefull. Again it's not stop loss/profit line but more about always properly divide and stack the chips in such a way that it fits my way of playing.

    Now I ask... Can you explain me exactly what you do and exactly how do you do it so I can start to master it?

    Note: I live in Portugal. If you come over I take the bet of course. Would love to see you play. That would be great to watch a real master. We can set a 10x inittial chips goal. At least that I known I can do it!
     
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    He's the kind of person when asked by a waiter/waitress, "How was the food, did you like it?", he'll likely respond, "No, the food was aweful and I really hated it."


    System players and (almost all) dice setters/influencers are the same, in that they can never spell out what their advantage is. When's the last time you heard a DI say, "with the 3V set, I roll a 2 every A% of rolls, a 3 every B%, a 1-3 every C%, 2-2 every D%....etc."? When asked how much they can make per 100 rolls (playing by himself), the DI can't say their expected profit. They dodge the question by saying "depends on the table" or some such nonsense....when they should damn well know (or be able to look up in their records/files) this type of very BASIC information.

    It'd be like asking a self-proclaimed MLB pitcher how fast he can throw a fast ball and him saying, "it depends on the weather"....or an NBA player his free-throw % and him saying "it depends on the stadium" or "depends on the ball used" or "depends on height of the basket".

    The system player does the same thing. Can't say how much they expect to make in a session, their % advantage, etc. and just throw everything else out the window (kelly betting, ROR, certainty, variance, N0).

    Actually, they seem much more similar than you may think. DI's often talk about other voodoo stuff that shouldn't even enter the equation, like they'll bet on someone else who's been shooting well all night, as if that will continue, and avoid betting on the shooters who 7 out quickly. When what they should be doing is either betting minimally on ALL other shooters or nothing at all....not based on how individuals have thrown the dice as if it will continue that way. Hell, if that works, I should go to the craps table more often!

    DIs also love talking about money management and semi-progression systems, as if those mean a damn thing to winning. You should be betting the most you can get away with, where RISK and HEAT dictate how much to bet....not previous wins, losses, or someone else's lucky or unlucky throws.
     

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    Please teach me. Does this mean your going to tell nothing?
    I cannot beat roulette that way! I try... I try for almost 4months now! I play with russian, asian, indian, brazilian, north europe people... By now the people already know me and come talk to me like getting interested.
    But I tell then it's just luck because... It is!
    I would love to be able to film one session... But that's illegal.

    I love to read your posts and I get it. The only thing that makes sense is to get there and say: "I am roulette god", maximum value chips please.... (1 hour later)... Sir, you broke the bank... Please como back tomorrow."

    But altough i see dozens of players on the internet that say they are roulette gods, no one says how they do it.

    It's easy to talk about VB and dominant diamonds, tilts, dealer signatura, bias, etc...

    Because those are real things that we all see in front of our eyes. I mean... There is this guy and this girl at one casino that every time they go spin they it -11 and +1... Every time!

    There is this moments where you are VBing LoL and you say... 8, then 8 comes up. And close to your number many times. And I think shit I got it! But then something happens and you go like wtf! And you lose 10, 20, everytime when betting few numbers...

    So you come to the internet because you don't see this play in the casinos you go. I mean I look around but never saw a VB pro!

    And here in the www... You find tons of people that say they master it! But then half it's like me asking can you teach me and they go like : "I master!"... And I ask again and they answer "I MASTEEEEER!"...

    The other half is like: I don't have time... Lucky there is a stuff you can buy that costs xxxx...

    Fuck!
     
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    I haven't found an opportunity where roulette is the best game to play. I don't play roulette.
     
  17. Daniel

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    This is the roulette forum!
    Never mind... All is fine. I'm just having fun watching the us debate.
     
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    I have and now only play roulette and haven't lost a session in over 14 months. Most sessions only last between 3-10 minutes. How I play is not a secret, but it takes a lot of practice and a bit of self belief.
     
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    And I'm here to learn it! Go ahead. All ears.
    Today I go for hours of play and 1000 chips profit... If all goes well LoL
     
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    Look on www.rouletteforum .cc for a thread about Remote Viewing. It will tell you all you need to know. If you get good at getting yourself out of your thinking you will never lose.
     
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