Roulette Staying under the radar

I read some of your posts, and I am really surprised you don't need to present and ID to enter a casino in the USA. It wouldn't be possible here in Europe. Also depending on how much money you use at the casino or won they can ask more personal information, I guess to fight money laundering.
I am thinking to create a post for roulette player, so we can share information about casinos around the world, it can be useful for those of us that travel.

cheers

 

Excellent idea, I hope some good information surfaces. No disrespect but is it because you are young you get the id check? Here in Australia 18 years old you can vote , drink in bars club etc gamble at race track, betting shops and the casino and slots at bars etc. But being 18 years old you still show id up until your 25 year old as some people look young for their age. Over 25 no problem unless you are being gender or racially profiled or suspect drug or gang members etc. In 18-25 age group you can be refused entry if you are without id.
Look forward to reading that thread.
Cheers

 

I'm gonna comment on these posts by Punkcity as they resonate to a lot of personal experience and a few things I have witnessed.

They do care, even if it's a few hundred pounds or Aussi dollars per day, if you are doing it on a consistent basis, as in 6 days per week, they will tolerate it up to a certain point, for how long, is dependant on who you are, your prior history and relationship with the casino (eg you suffered a big loss/losses in the past), they know you, they don't know you.

They certainly will not standby and do nothing if any punter, "local" or otherwise takes 50k twice per week. This should not be confused with somebody that wins a few million over a few days, to somebody who systematically is taking 50k twice per week, after the second week, expect heat, unless of course the player has a history of a prior huge loss.

I took over $60k in 6 days from Sky City Adelaide many years ago playing Baccarat and the heat was incredible, from security to senior management and it was very blatant, as it, walk through the entrance lobby and security would be on his walkie talkie, "He's (or they) are here", and they wasn't due to my playing size, rather, due to me continually winning for all of fuckin' 4 days/nights over $10k per visit.

Sydney, Melbourne are no different, a friend of mine won a few thousand (under 10k) from Melbourne and they were on the phone, offering all kinds of deals to fly him back, top rooms, gift cards, all for the sake of approx $6k, they were desperate to get their money back. So if you think any Oz casino, will let somebody win $100k per week, and not bring that action to a halt, then you are naive at best. Yes despite not being membership only joints, they do have dirty tricks up their sleeves should the need arise.

Here is an example, my playing partner has been banned at least three times from Adelaide casino, each time he get barred, he takes it to some Governmental appeal, it is never upheld, so he gets back in LOL. They ban him, cos' they don't like him, they regard him as a nuisance more than anything else, so they have to wait for a patron to lodge a complaint. Whereas one guy who use to basically win every visit (Sky City Auckland) a super friendly guy, basically being a public venue, they have no legitimate reason to ban him, but wanted to put a stop to his Blackjack action (he wasn't counting, I think he was gifted with being able to memorise all the cards). Anyway, they tolerated him for so long, then management must have decided to pull the plug.

So how do you ban somebody from a public venue? LOL Without going into detail (unless somebody asks), the deliberately set up a scenario, which ended up with the patron receiving a life-time ban and criminal record, if they need to, they have the means and will act.

Hmmm, first off $25k doesn't require a shoulder bag, I should know, I've carried bigger bankrolls. A bulging wallet, baggy sports pants with side pockets, to hold one or two "folded over" envelopes will do the trick.

Yes, you need to keep your wits about you carrying that amount of cash, any mugging would be akin to knocking over a small post office but easier. Fortunately a friend of mine, kept his ear to the ground on my behalf, plus you pull up to the entrance, hand over your keys and stepping straight into the casino and you call ahead so it's there for you when you leave, jump in, doors locked, weapon under the seat!!

As for maintaining a cage account, never did that, why broadcast what capitol you have at your disposal, or potentially you daily win if you deposit everything when you're done.

The fact you live 20 mins away, what has that got to do with accepting free stuff, especial the free gifts, sometimes the Oz casinos will hand out all kinds from digital bath-room scales or other kitchen ware, when they have done a deal some supplier.

When a casino knows how big your bankroll is, either via buyin or what you have deposited behind the cage, this is what they expect to take from you. They don't care if you with $50 or $100 per day using a $25k bankroll, you can win for months, all they need, is for you to lose once, one time only, excluding of course if you stick to a daily stop loss. However if you do bust out, they will resort to psychological tricks so you request another withdrawal, OR, will wind you up the next day, knowing damn well you lost the day before therefore will be on edge and prone to becoming easily rattled.

This $25k bankroll, reminds me of a Chinese guy that used to play daily in Adelaide, he kept these stack of $100 chips on a closed table, minimum $20k, he would grab a handful and wander around the casino, placing bets here and there, think he might have been Martingale player, don't remember, also don't recall his first bet size, perhaps $25 or $50. Nobody went near his chips, everything is on camera. If you steal a chip, then the Police are knocking on your door at 5am in the morning.

Did he win everyday? I don't know, it wasn't my business, I was busy taking care of my own thing to be worried about anybody else's, however, one day he wasn't there, so I asked a mate of mine, who told me, he busted out. Couldn't believe it, how does anybody blow a bankroll that big using a low value Marty?

It's easier than you think.

Your aim is say $100~$200 per visit and you will deploy heavy artillery to ensure you get it. As any experienced player will know, here lies the problem, complacency. You meet your goal the first week, you start thinking, this is so easy, fuck working for a living, I could pull in over $100k per year, report to nobody, tax free, make up my own hours. Week 2, you start to feel like it's an entitlement, why shouldn't it be, after all you are risking, playing with a $25k bankroll?

Week 3, or 4, or even sooner, the law of averages start to kick in and losing 7, 8 or more bets in a row presents it-self, combined with your feeling of entitlement and bullet proof persona, bingo, they gotcha. Now you have to produce another $25k bankroll, to try and win back the original $25k bankroll, plus get back to where you should have been, that's never happening, cos' your composure is hot to fuck, whether you know it or otherwise. .


I know how it works, been there and sent the postcard, I've shared tables with professors from Adelaide Uni which is further down on North Terrace, I've watched them win hand after hand after hand. For over an hour, I watched one particular geeky guy not lose a single bet whenever he placed a bet, amazing stuff. So amazing I passed comment. Then he lost a bet, no problem, then he lost another bet, oops, I don't think I've seen a person crumble so fast at the tables, he must have won about a dozen bets, lost about three, starts betting more often and literally fell to pieces, blowing everything plus a few re-buyin'. Lack of table experience I guess.

It simply emphasises, this dangerous feeling of entitlement, because you think you are good, have done your homework, or perhaps are deploying a massive bankroll. Don't kid yourself, I seen it so many times, both in Australia and in the UK, if you're playing with $25k the casino will take it eventually, that is a fact. I've seen so many players with this and more at their disposal, VIP rooms, public floors, not a single one held on to it, not one.

That's news to me, so I just googled it,

Turbo has been at this for so long, is such a brilliant player, either he has a huge stack of casino chips at home waiting to be cashed in (actually an old tacit of mine), or even after all these years still doesn't make enough to warrant the filing of a W2G form.

That is pointless if you are depositing your cash into one of their accounts. They will know your daily balance. Casinos will have a good idea how much everybody is up or down, all the patron can do, is not make it easy for them.

Cash out $10k or more and your details are automatically passed on to the Inland Revenue, so you either have to cash out a maximum of $9k on any given 24 hour period, take chips home and don't buyin next time you play, or what I did, was have others that you trust cash out for me. Something I've done in both Oz and the UK.

Get friendly with the Chinese players, follow them to the toilet, exchange chips for cash, they know me, I know them, simple, not a problem. Anyway what are you going to do with all that cash, throw it in the Bank, hmmm, deposit $4k or more and the Aussi banks have to inform the Police, plus they slap you with a fee (HSBC) for counting it, which is a bit rough, as they normally just run it through a counting machine, while they make small talk to find out where it came from.

I've also been to Star City, I thought they were taking the piss, $100 tables on the public area only playing half-price on a B6, plus you don't handle the cards. I went into the Sovereign room, didn't play, the table minimums were $300, plus I use a negative progression, sod that.

 

cheers interesting post and sure does show different folks different strokes. I have never played Adelaide casino but i would guess that its small similar to Canberra that being said the mentality and size of a RSL or leagues club but with table games. I know that you get heat from small clubs and dont see any difference with Adelaide, Canberra and Perth casino but in saying that i have not played there so I will err in your favour.
~~We have now in Australia instead of bank staff at our local bank we have automatic teller machines that have a cheque, note and coin deposit facility. $4k deposit no problem, as for the tax department and police if you are not involved in any criminal activities the cash of any amount is NOT AN ISSUE. When you have a cheque with starcity casino on it its pretty says all that needs to be said.. I can tell you that for a fact. What is more time consuming is explaining the extra cash laying around the house when they do the very first audit. Lesson learned.i have since just put into the bank account no fuss no problem, no need for a weapon under the seat as i no longer roll that way and no longer associate with those that do. Oh and thank god we get to keep the $100 bill in circulation thanks for the up date.

I personally dont wear trackies out and summer is too hot even with air con to be in a big coat to carry cash also nothing says Ive got cash on me more than fat pants pockets. But I fully under..stand those that wish to dress that way and why not if it helps them remain under the radar. As for freebies I personally dont need the hair dryer, toaster etc mostly its inferior quality etc , give it to friends? they have had enough by now and actually say no more thanks , Yes years ago I did use the free gift thing but found its not worth the effort , as you know they tell you what day they want you to pick up the free gift as per your surname so here you are in a long line of people and one hour later you recieve your free toaster . ONE hour IN a LINE listening to people talk shit how they deserve this free gift for all the money they have lost, I can and do earn 5 plus toasters per hour playing, my personal opinion they are just cheap minded people.

I must confess I do use free hotel stay when I go to gold coat holidays or sometimes give to friends for weekend biirthday gift in Sydney as I have to sign them in etc

~~I keep a low profile and dont associate with show ponies at the table, I sometimes suspect people are given a hard time for the attitude they have at the table towards the dealers other staff and fellow patrons. My prime place of play is Sydney then Gold coast ,Brisbane same owner and a couple of times a year melbourne and thats usually with a group of dealers i know , they organise free airfares and hotel as long as we throw $10 k at the tables under supervision of crown staff etc. Yes we are invited back as thats buisiness I can honestly say i know of no one being banned for winning to much. I also rang my host and asked him, he said no also, the dealers i know would have told me by now anyway.As for people bans usally because they have criminal associations, the are trying to card count impossible anyway due to auto shuffle after each dealt hand, drugs ,theft, fighting, bad personal hygne

I used to keep chips, but as you should know from playing Sydney, they have changed the $100 chips a couple of times and the only reason i was able to redeem a shit load of them {as i had been away on holiday for a couple of months} was for the simple fact I had a good relationship with the casino staff and they basically said we know your not the chip counterfiter, As you would also know the $500 chip is out of circulation now for maybe 6/7 years .Im glad I didnt continue hoarding chips, what an epic fail that pathway is , the point being in one pony casino town they move the goal posts when ever they like, the $1k chip is also under suspicion re counterfit ing. Yes 1/2 price banker adapt or wither and die the casino answer to why they dont ban winners. They know they will get it back from the marty players and the neg progression player, and the those that just have a ton of cash from mummy or daddy or from drug dealing etc and are just going to have a winning streak or not. They just love slots players and roulette players no mater the winning streak of days or amounts ..I have posted elsewhere re one of my best friends no longer plays because he is totally convinced that this casino cheats , he actually tells other mutual friends he was banned for winning to much, hes a friend so I back him because his nerve is shot to the shithouse and back. I have noticed new dealers without supervision make mistakes under stress of being a newbie but if its in the players favour they dont say anything. Intentional cheat no, intentional banning of winners no I havnt seen that personally. Ive played soverin room ,gold room oasis, endeavour main floor known a ton of people apart from some self bans, no cant say i agree that winners in Sydney get banned, maybe I run in the wrong circle of players. I do know one lady that wins a lot she does have a huge problem with the casino hosts and management, but thats really because of her attitude, she knows the gaming law/rules that Sydney casino works under inside out. Depending on her emotional swing on the day shes an excellent person wrong swing patrons and staff look out, I have seen her escorted from the premises as she screaming every sub section under the sun, but she s back in a couple of days until the next swing. She like myself are at starcity daily we meet for tea in high limit room between games, she tells me whos been shipped and for what reason Sydney is only 4 million people, small town stuff , starcity even smaller.

~~As for people imploding thats their problem thank god for them and I wholeheartedly agree most will blow it out their ass because they gamble ,they like to brag , they are doing the big show pony 15 seconds of fame at a table. Excellent I say I love each and every one of them ,I really Want MORE OF THEM to play after all someone has to pay for the running costs and profit of Sydney casino.

As I have already stated interesting point of view you have posted , I can see the possibilities of how some winners could be banned --attitude ,actual criminal assoc, perceived criminal activity ie drug / crime money laundry. I have witnessed some pretty strange activity re dubuios winning techniques but that more AP moves ie low crim stuff with big chips not sure that counts as banning a consstant winner as they get warned at the table for betting against eachother, i mean at least dont share the same chip stack etc Yes we need them . I really enjoyed your post and my answers are not from a sense of defending myself as I have not felt attacked by your comments. Rather as your reply to something i have posted, I accept your point of view, i just seem not to have witnessed the same thing . thanks good post and i hope chewtoy gets good info .
cheers

 

Adelaide is massive compared to Canberra, where I also played for many months, it is way bigger than the public Baccarat area of Sydney and Melbourne. . Adelaide is also huge compared to most UK casinos. Their table spread is also superior than Sydney or Melbourne, I don't recall the exact spread, but it was the most generous in Oz.

Yeah I know, cos' I used to deposit regularly into my ban. I did not wish to be flagged to the ATO, so kept my cash outs below the 10k limit.

Not really, casinos are havens for money laundering, $5k on both Player and Banker, or Black and Red, single player or two players, in fact you don't even have to play, buyin, and cash out, receipt from casino, the authorities are well aware of that trick. In the UK, you now have to show proof of income if you buyin for certain amounts, i.e show your bank account, they lost a lot of business do to these new regulations.

The VIP room in Auckland was used as a meeting room for Asian drug dealers were they conducted their business deals for years. Managers turned a blind eye to it, until they all got busted, then you had the pit supervisors saying to nobody in-particular "I hate drug dealers", like those at the table were born yesterday. Casinos don't care, cos most of the crims such as the high end drug dealers love to gamble, so it's good for business to turn a blind eye, the casinos have no morals when it comes to high-end rollers, they don't care were or how funds have been obtained, so long as they are getting their cut.

I seen some heavy crims in Jupiters, as in The Mr Big of Mel', all the managers knew who he was and his entourage, let's just say extremely dangerous people. The funny thing about Jupiters is that the Police have a station underneath the casino, so for a few days you would have the Fed's sitting in the booths in the VIP rooms keeping any eye on who's coming and going, they stuck out like a sore thumb.

Yes I know, used to be my favoured chip.

Well he does have a point, Melbourne have been found guilty on at least two occasions and given a slap on the wrist on both occasions with a wet-bus ticket, one related to the cards not being true for a Poker game, Aces were missing, it is really strange to me, as players are usually playing against each other and not the house. Or maybe it was one of the variations were you are playing against the house, nevertheless they were found guilty and received a few thousand dollars fine.

The slot machines are suppose by law to return a certain percentage to punters, I can see that being wound down once they re-open, as they try and recoup lost revenue.

Unlike the UK were all casinos are classed as private member clubs and they can ban you and do not have to give a reason. Casinos in Australia, New Zealand and I believe Canada, can't do that. Being a crim' with a big bankroll and you are welcomed with open arms down-under. They can stop you coming in or ask you to leave, if you are intoxicated, don't meet their dress code, caught cheating or caught stealing, such as finding a chip on the floor and not handing it in (an old trick they have been known to use).

They can't stop you due to criminal association, suspected money laundering, attitude etc. They can make things uncomfortable, but they can't ban nor block you coming in. However you better "be somebody, or known to have friends in the right places" if you mess with their bouncers, i.e bikie connections.

Which is why, they couldn't do anything about the rather nice guy who could memorise all the cards in a 8 deck game of BJ, so they set-up a sting and got him done through other means.

 

Total agreement that a casino can set you up if they want to. I know a lot of things re gangs etc. yes they go to casino the ones that abide by the rules get to stay the young brash ones on Friday and Saturday night show pony wannabe get the arse . When your caught doing laundering and such you are moved on.
So in a nutshell your saying you cannot be banned in Sydney for winning as I was posting. I can tell you for a fact as I haven’t been banned. I will be the first to go to forums and post the fact (if it ever occurs ) of the banning. As I’m sure if it’s happened before many people would have posted by now. I use the argument re moon landing if it’s such a big cover up how come not one of the 10000 plus people that worked at nasa has come forward with facts to say yeah we tricked you all. Shucks

Yes maybe the crew you roll with are prone to suspension. So if you Chewtoy want to be successful at casino don’t be a criminal keep your wits about you, if the casinos run by bikes don’t go, see a chip on the floor leave it , in other words use your common sense. If you pay tax on winning in your country then you must decide how you deal with that but be aware that law enforcement can say your doing money laundering etc. inadvertently you become a criminal in the eyes of the law re unpaid taxes. Then in fact parts of junketking post become relevant to you. Check the casino you play, and the laws of your country. But I can tell you no heat in Sydney that’s a fact. Cheers
Love your work junket
Cheers

 

I do get what you are saying in most of the post but the only reason I think they would care about taking 50k a day is that they want to understand how you are doing it and what is stopping you taking 500k a day or more. My personal experience is as soon as i started winning regularly I was treated differently. The amount wasn’t that big not even anywhere near 50k a day and I didn’t have a comp card but they were still tracking my buy in and cash out. Free meals all the time, drinks. They are not doing it for the good of their health. They want the money I took from them back. Regardless of the amount

 

Q) Why not 500k per day ?
A) 1) Bet size limit on stadium baccarat
2) common sense
The casino is a business not a charity, you are correct .
Don’t fall into using the various excuses that float around casinos and forums like this, that Will make you alter your play and limit your emotional capacity to make money at the casino. That last sentence is in regards to being paranoid that the casino is tracking your cashflow, methods or treating you differently because you are winning.( never complain about winning at least you are doing better than 90% of people)
Yes of COURSE they are and they would be sadly remised morally and in regards to their accountability to stockholders and government audit etc if they didn’t track you/me.
In the thread stadium play 2019 I list many reasons why I do things and don’t do things AND of course it’s only pertinent to me and by no means the one and only way / thought process/ or bias, but it will address some of the points you bring up in your post of query.
I use a player card, I only play stadium baccarat as sole sauce of income, I play other games to let off the emotional steam only on my slutty days. I’m disciplined, methodical and acutely aware of my work and work environment ( née casino)
The casino GIVES me a readout of my play per month because I ASK them to. The readout lists each bet win lose or tie plus amount and time that is played WHEN using my players CARD. That is why I play on the stadium RNG baccarat terminal.
It is MY opinion that successful player know their account over the years because they keep a track of all outgoing and incomings. Those that don’t know their financial position are either lying to you and / or themselves ( themselves being the worst case) and in my humble opinion not professional.
The taxman always looks for the second set of books when you get audited if you are claiming gambling as a business expense or you are in a country that taxes winnings.
It is still my opinion but the casino is after people other than myself and as posted previously ( and here I will repeat myself) I Will be the first to post to this and every forum if I get banned due to any of the inane theories that abound these threads. As far as my business activities go here in skippy town casino I know my stuff as far as business activity of other places I don’t know and have NO legitimate reason to comment. In that situation as I always say
Understand the rules and parameters of your location, if you can’t work a way of doing business that’s acceptable to you don’t do it
If you play on an adverse environment ( example bikie run casino) AND you know it’s bad , don’t play . If you do play there, don’t go on forums and complain. Work out what works for you
Merry Christmas

 

Merry Christmas to you too. Valid points and your stadium thread was very informative and insightful. Cheers

 

Casinos love big spenders. They will welcome you with open arms. They know that with example for roulette they have a 5.26% edge over you, if you play normally. If you are really a person who is spending very big amounts of money on gambling, you shouldn't hide yourself. They want to welcome you, make yourself noticable, and profit from the discounts. They will give you offers, to get you back into the casino, because they believe they have an edge over you. I don't see why you should hide in this case.

 

I personally don’t need the discount, freebies I’m more interested in making money. There are a few players this site that seem to confuse winning with discounts, and freebies as a replacement for money lost using some inane selection criteria. Some need to be feted and that’s ok also. Some need to be the Friday Saturday show pony to fulfill that empty feeling they have inside that’s ok too .
As I have posted previous I usually give to friends any gifts , etc but even my friends now say after so many toaster, pillows, touch pads no thanks it’s mostly junk. So I don’t bother claiming now but I do give away the free hotel accommodation to friends as they enjoy a break from it all . Me I have a much better house just across the harbour so see no need for substandard living arrangements even if just over night.
But I do appreciate the whole industry of what you described and some of us really do enjoy the benefits the spin offs of the churn ratio of the sort of people you have promoted your post to. As I have previously posted I’m there (pre Covid-19 ) 5 days a week , for years and I can tell you there are very very few regulars that took the offer you promote and are still there now, they have gone broke. But you seem to be an experienced player, guess your the exception. Come back in 5 years after playing every day and let us know more of your gambler fallacies cheers

 

As I explained, this was just a answer on the question of why someone should stay hidden. I don't promote this lifestyle in any way, because I am a firm believer that you will lose your money in the end of playing casino since the house has always an edge over you, except for poker. But since the person who posted this thread asked how they should hide, I gave this as an option, which is an option to choose from. Another option is to start wearing different wigs, brills, sit in wheelchairs every now and then, and chance things up a bit. If you prefer to live that kind of lifestyle that is fine by me, don't get me wrong.

 

What kind of flop houses of a casino are you talking about ? Not world class establishments.


Casinos like any business need return visits from their patrons .



YOU are NOT the center of attractions in a casino. Get with it.

 

In Las Vegas you have multiple casinos which offer special treatments to high-rollers. But to be a high roller, you do really have to spend big or have to win a few big rounds.

 

So your sole aspiration is to be a high roller? Each to their own I guess, personally I don’t see the need for getting my shitter tounged in public, I mean they don’t let you drop your pants and walk around buck naked, so no joy getting tounged with pants on. Here in skippy town raccoon city 2021 mostly young rich Asian kids , rich drug money laundering gangs Arab and Asian plus bikers and old Asian men go the look at me look at me I’m a high roller pose. They don’t last long as the money soon dries up, and or the cops get them. Gets quite a laugh. So good luck with that one kenzo enjoy it. Cheers

 

Thanks for wishing me luck! As far as I can see I never mentioned it was by any means my aspiration to become such a high roller, I have not even mentioned that I would like to play in a casino with big stakes. But I might have miscommunicated that, thanks for pointing that out to me!

 

Yes to me that’s how the last few posts came across , my apologies if that’s not what you are aiming at with the posts content, to clarify what was it you are trying to say?
I see you mentioned success sports betting , have you thought of creating a thread and discussing something you are at a high level of expertise ?
I would read a thread on that topic and I’m sure others would as well
Cheers

 

Okay, I might have expressed myself not correctly. I didn't mean to position me as a high roller, or someone trying to become a high roller, since I think casino games will make you lose your money over a longer period of time. It can however be fun. But I have seen multiple documentaries about the MIT team, who were trying to stay under the radar. That was why I was answering this thread. No worries my friend, all good

 

Kenzo did not imply at post 35 any aspirations to become a high roller.


Enjoy the day.