Baccarat Proof that Jae's OG System is Validated

Jae,

Keep raking the casino! I have no doubt about your success story.

I remember Tony Robbins's quote, "If you want to be successful, find someone who has achieved the results you want and copy what they do and you'll achieve the same results".

I am sure there are quite a few successful bac players here.

I believe in hands-on experience; been playing baccarat since 2004.

Wishing you all the best!

 

This project turned out to actually be a real surprise. It does so well with a $200,000 bankroll. One person in the thread suggested not sticking to the Banker only bet. That alone would allow for a reduction of Vig. These $125 here and $200 there Vigs are in fact typical of the OG. And there are basically an almost certain $2,000+ finish. Keeping the Bet Value down would be the best strategy if that could happen. Not betting during BpBpBp streaks could do that. Betting on Player during Player dominations would be good too.

As just about everyone here can tell, Baccarat and OG are not my game. But like I said. This has been the most effective progression I have ever researched.

BTW, the asshole ...TIC came into this thread to deliberately provoke me. He fell into my trap and declared himself the superior. I was just playing with him. None of this hiding behind the computer screen stuff is serious. It's just "stick and stones" crap. I generally tend to poke back or ignore the pests. It is clear that he is not here to contribute. Him showing off his Spandex suit is just the typical internet nuisance. He has no idea that I clearly shared the code that shows the Banker wins as the only Vig that comes out. Yet he got up and blasted away. I thought it was both funny and ironical.

This thread is done.

I would not be surprised if an attempt to play both Banker & Player sides gets discussed with timing and situational awareness included as a basic strategy. I know that I won't attempt to program a sim for that. That is best proven by actual play and documented results.

OK then, Whooo. This was just a tad tiring.

Good luck when you play and be safe.

.... gone for a while.

 

Take a break you did lots of work thx read it all

 

My favorite part was getting +2,000 wrong with $2,000 when it was supposed to be $200,000. I was getting killed off left and right. Then it started winning every time in several 100 series tests and never busted 2 times in any 100 series tests. It's a strong progression.

 

Giz i am old school i code through simple pen and paper old math can not pretend to even talk to you about tech sheet cause i can and will never be able to do what you do, some times i hate computers tech stuff just different world that i was brought up in but life is good and listening to this stuff is all good

 

WHY??

Because anybody who manages to pull themselves away from these forums and actually engages in risking their money via gambling, want to know how any progression will increase in a worst case scenario, as in LLLLLLLLL. As opposed to including a W arbitrarily, what about LLWLLLL vs' LLLWLLLLLL or LLLLLWLLLL, it's not logical and unnecessarily complicates matters.

I'm assuming OG is Oscar Grind (I haven't bothered to read 14 pages of this thread) but I have it on my hard drive, if that's the case.

 

Oh, good point. If you had read this thread from the beginning you would see that I set out to try to understand the rules for OG as they applied to Jae's method. Parts of it I already understood and began programming it in front of everyone just as a kind of different way of doing a thread. When I got things wrong people pointed that out and I tried to correct it as best that I understood. I got some of that wrong too.

I'm fascinated by the things that people look for when they reach conditions that they like the most or the least from playing Baccarat. They tend to know how to win when they see their favorite condition.

So I get a lot of grief from Bac players that see me touting Reading Randomness. It drives a lot of them crazy. I like trends that have characteristics of patterns also occurring all at once.

The best example of that, and one of my favorite conditions, is singles on the weak side. Now this trend comes in different types a lot. The single on the weak side stays the same but what happens on the strong side can have different consistencies to them. One very strong aspect is that there is an absence of singles on the strong side during singles on the weak side. If that continues then you can avoid one of the things that stifles progress.

It's bad to play until you lose a hand. If you can stop just before the loss then you are +1 ahead. It takes three hands to get +1 if you have to recover from a lost bet. In other words it take two won bets and one lost bet to equal +1.

If you can anticipate using your favorite condition in Baccarat and get off the bets before they lose then you can grind out easier wins.

So I try to do that with RR. I have just a few favorite conditions that I search for. I'm sure that most players have their own favorite conditions that they like to see in Baccarat too.

When I play Roulette I'm looking and searching through 6 different information streams at the same time. 5 of those can be doing nothing but a 6th data stream, or grouping, can be doing one of my favorite formations.

If like you say that the Chinese know how to clean up when they see certain conditions then all they are doing is their own form of Reading Randomness. RR is just a skill of recognition and MM. It's funny to me when people think they know what it is and then go on to try to put the kibosh on it. It always comes down to a claim or belief in some kind of magical prediction.

Yet, there are people all over the gambling world that recognize their favorite conditions.

"LLLLLLLL," it just looks really bad to me. Why would anyone think that betting bigger into that data stream is ever a good idea?

It takes all kinds.

 

You don't even play Baccarat, why do you chime in so much on threads about Baccarat?

You got that right.

 

I don't think that's true. I think there are guys who are winning. Probably most we're not looking to make a million.

As I sit here finished 2 shoes W20 L 17 on the first. Win 26 L21 on the second shoe.

MM key

 

LWWLWLLWLWLWLWWLLWLLLWWLLLWWLWWLWWL QUIT
W 17. L 18. 48%

I play conservative progression. Good winning shoe but I am not getting a good run of wins so... just quit before it goes south.

I normally win or break even or lose just a little even on shoes that give me 40% win rate. They don't happen often.

 

Actually once in a while I will play Craps with Pass / Don't Pass as the only bet.

Baccarat is supposed to be a fair game that is very close to a coin flip. My six data streams in Roulette are all coin flip choice selections.

So, even though I think that only one data stream is for the challenged among us, I know that with it's limitations and requirement to be extremely patient it's still completly a useful game for reading randomness.

Now if you guys are part of an elite club then that is another story.

 

If you think Roulette is a coin flip, then you've never gambled at a high level, or very naive.

 

I'm well aware of the offset in the odds, 47% / 52% rounded numbers. If I bet 18 numbers I get back 18 numbers in value. That makes the payoff 50/50 even if the odds are not true 50/50. I suppose that betting Banker is fair? You must pay a 5% fee for the pleasure of a +1% advantage.

High level is just subjective. If you have a usable sized bankroll that allows for many hands or spins and many useful sizes then the amount is meaningless. What matters is that you have enough to sustain your session before going bust. It all comes down to understanding expectation and coming prepared. Ego tripping on Lamborghini cars does not make anyone a skilled player. Is that you now? You know what I mean. If the base bet at the table is $5 then $600 is good enough for a session of gambling.

 

Casinos generally don't give a shit about low stakes players, unless they are constantly winning, as in a few hundred per visit, I know of no casino will let any punter continue that for too long, unless they have a prior history of losing. Up the ante and start walking out with even 4 figures a few days a week, then the atmosphere and the game itself changes.

 

Agreed and I've been a victim of this myself. There is a way to get around it. I know have at least one full-time professional player who gets around it. I'm not going to get into it right now on the Forum though it's not a big secret

 

Johno, yep, I've seen that. I use to watch this family on a hot streak that lasted for about 6 months. They would flock around one table and hammer 17 and 32 on the American wheel. They would stack real high on those numbers and then play halves and quarters all around them. It sort of worked for them. The casino treated them like royalty. And they would win a lot, for a very long time. They eventually got cleaned out and stopped showing up.

I travel now since back then. I only go to the same casino once per month. I have more than 30 to select from in the north and at least that many in the south during winter. ... or at least until covid 19 hit.

 

I've got no qualms posting what I've done in the past, take chips home, let them accumulate and do a big cash in, best done when there is a snarly manager on duty who nobody likes. I've done this in the early morn' when the only gaming action were slot machines, they say nothing to me, I smile and say thank you.

Take chips home, next time you play, don't buy in.

If you're a well known regular, trade chips for cash in the toilets, Chinese players don't mind. or get said Chinese players to go to the cage for you, again they don't mind because it looks like they have won (face).

 

Some of the bigger casinos have RFID embedded in their bigger chips. They know when they go out the door. They did this to combat against forged chips and robberies.

I'm not making this up. Look it up.

Here is just one example:

https://singularityhub.com/2011/02/12/1-5m-robbery-of-bellagio-casino-foiled-thanks-to-rfid-chips/