Baccarat A serious question: do you think legitimate casinos will try to cheat you?

Change in shuffle procedures I would guess, casinos know most folk like to play for streaks, have no idea about OLD, so the more througher the shuffle (Shuffle-Master), the most flat the shoe. Flat shoes produce an abundance of singles and doubles, which in the main is the bane of DBL Obviously I've not saying a Shuffle-Master shoe doesn't include long streaks, I'm referring in general terms.

I'm sure yap yap Hugo or "pull them up, but drop them for Patrick" Karen, could have said the same given their worldly experience

 

Yer a legend in yer own tiny little mind. An attention seeking coconut in the extreme. Yer just a chickens shit scared loser recreational player makin the excuse. I think that's why you made the bizarre statement about the Frank Barstow supposedly dyin broke. It's ironic but yer strtin to sound like the evenbob-spike, hey hey.

 

I have played and have recorded over 23000 shoe what I buck up against in mortar and brick joint over the past 30 years. Also, I have eyeball result from party poker online casino live dealt shoe and the result are consistent. There is zero difference, the rsult are the same as far as streaks distribution and the ratio between 1s 2s 3s etc. I can only assume that like the john-o yer a chickens shit, scared loser recreational player makin excuse, hey hey.

 

Ok why were you gushing and grovelling when I gave you access to ProBacarat, I've still got a copy of that board, all the messages, images, if I dropped my pants you would be licking me clean you were that grateful (wanna see some screen shots?).

Ya see, I've been there and done it, whereas all you have done is live in your flat and then state "I made 200k per years from gambling for 12 years", you ain't made jack, your estranged family know you ain't made jack. Oh and where is / was your forum, was it called heyhey.com?

You're nothing but an low intellect instigator of beef between anybody, so you sit there and reach for your cashews and guinness. And Bastow did die broke, people don't make money publishing books and he wasn't successful in gambling, don't worry Hugo CoVid is just a flu, shame you weren't on the West Coast, all that blubber in 49 degrees heat.

 

Yer full of shit, just another delusional coconut like the gizmotard and the asymbac nutjob and you actually believe that you have anything of value that I would ever want? It's possible to run bad buckin up against anti-streaks style for a hundre3d shoe or more, but scared loser recreational player like you live in the shorts term. You need to justify yer losings so you invent the fiction that a casino actually rigged EVERY SINGLE SHOE AT EVERY SINGLE TABLE IN THE JOINT just to clip you! If true then why whine and snivel like a little beta bitch? Why didn't you adapt and take advantage of the artificially streaky shoe that you claim the casino create to put the kibosh on yer anti-streaks style? Do continue to wobble out of control Petey as it makes for tops notches entertainment., hey hey.

 

And the Barstow didn't die broke cuz unlike you he had the balls and bankroll to profit well and regular from anti-streaks play. You never used to be such a wanker and tosser when you was living down unders so maybe the agreed with ya, hey hey.

 

Barstow`s principle of diminishing probabilities . Just great.

 

What you perceived is correct to your way of thinking, also some people think that the gods, casino are targeting yourself, solely. You have lost a hand . The unlooseable hand !!! That is a myth. There is absolutely NO reason that the next bet we make is a GUARANTEED win. , unless of course you cheated.
The long runs , the chop, the streaks or anti streaks, the trips, double, quads that ANYONE witnessed for ANY period of time at ANY location on the known or unknown planet is just verance in action. Of the tripgazillion combination you expect to see a consistent repetition of results? Time after time? Lol.

“ you could always bet after the next chop for a follow”

What rot.

If that was always the case don’t you think casinos would have pulled the game by now?
It would have happened years ago before you stumble on that holy “grail” , if that was the case your 5 step Marty team would have posted it as the “How I win at Marty “

No, delusions and self-centred remorse is the drive of the post quote above. I can “almost” guarantee that somewhere today there is a streak or a run of triple happening but not necessarily at your place of play.
Some shoe do follow to a certain extent other shoe ( birthday principle, anti historical biases or same historical criteria selection) you just need to change up or down and not remain static in your bet selection criteria at this point in time.
Remember just because you lost someone else walked away from the table a winner. They selected and perceived differently than you.
Variance
Cheers

 

While the story is on Black Jack it is worth watching the Kenny Uston story. If I spelled it correctly. In Atlantic City he was banned as a card counter and sued the casino's. He won in New Jersey. When he went back in the casinos to play. The cards were manipulated in a way that a card counter could never get anything but and even count. He complained to the authorities and was told its their game and they can do what they want with the cards as long there is all the cards. Basically not cheating. You can watch it for your self.
Years ago several players were making a living where I play on Baccarat.
I posted years ago about a guy that bought in for two thousand and would make three hundred. Saw him lose it once.
He would go from one casino to another and back through for at least three runs I new of. Maybe more.
I have not seen him since I began to go to the casinos again. Maybe he lost it all. Maybe he made his nut and quit. Who knows. But it dictates that there was a steady event he was betting on.
I guess the card manipulations were performed by legitimate casinos would never happen in Baccarat.
Look at the more obvious. Craps. After the dice setting craze went full force. The casinos that told everyone it doesn't work now use lighter dice bouncier tables and rigged felt. Yeah you can actually feel junk under the felt in some casinos.
So do legit casinos cheat....Dam right they do...

 

I forgot the most obvious I think everyone has heard about.
Do you think Phil Ivey cheated?
One casino consultant before the suits were over stated that they should pay him and shut up about it he won.
Let's look at it. He told the casino what he wanted. The woman that went with him was a known edge sorter and member of Baccarat teams.
The casino didn't care what he was doing as long as they got his money deposited.
Then he won.
Now all of a sudden he cheated?
How this won in court I don't understand. Oh wait casinos pay millions in taxes. Technically that could be looked at as the governments money.
Give me a break.

 

Ok, porky, riddle me this; if casino are messin with shoe and you know then why not bet into it? If casino are manipulating shoe then the shoe produce abnormal result those result will either be more streaky or less streaky than normal. And if you know before hands what they gonna do then why not take advantage and profit from their attempted manipulations, hey hey????

 

So
Do you still play?
Or rather
When did you last play at a real casino, not an online casino? Cheers

 

"Delusional coconut, scared shit, recreational player". Is this a reflections of your level of intelligence?

Despite being a professional player for a few years, it is a rather childlike comment to think of a recreational players in a disparaging way. Do professional players wear badges to identify them as such, get stopped for autographs, do they get treated differently at the tables or when they walk into a casino? Do they get more kudos on anonymous relevant gambling boards for being considered "a real man"?
Please tell me you operate above the mentality of a 10 year old.

In regards to "want", you would bend over backwards to anybody who could give you a decent strategy so that you could improve your current predicament, such as moving into a decent gaff, own a nice car, or maybe even recover some of those gambling losses which have ruined your life, better still enrol in further education, it's never too late, for anything.

Did you know Barstow? "I never used to be a wanker and tosser"!! I don't consider myself either, in fact I think I'm a nice person, however I do despise you Hugo, always have done, obviously the penny never dropped, maybe that is not surprising.

Another irrelevant, gullible naive comment from the kitchen table. Isn't hind-sight a wonder thing, don't we all wish we could play behind a computer screen. It's a bit different in the real world, when you have geared yourself on a mode of play and you're actually sitting at a table playing with real cash money, being seated at a gaming table placing real chips, as opposed to typing on a internet forum are worlds apart, would you not agree Karen, or is it Karl this week?

 

Cheating? It wasn't exactly kosha, we would never get away with it. He asked for the face down cards to be turned around so that she could read them better and the shoe wasn't to be touched when they leave the table, he never stated this in his request, all he asked for was a Chinese speaking dealer. Yes the casinos were stupid letting them do it, once he started, but never never realised what was going on, not against the rules, not above board either. Maybe had he not pushed it so much, he might have gotten away with it.

Look what happened, all casinos are now aware, precautions were introduced in all Genting casinos in the UK. he could have milked this for years, now like other gambling advantages, it's dead in the water.

Now I suppose there are idiots out and about at the tables pretending they are reading the backs of the cards.

 

Come on john-O, grow up, grow some balls and take some personal responsibility. I recall you once claim that some roulettes dealer at a joint in kiwis-land was supposedly "spinning against you" causing you to lose. Stop with the fiction! You ain't gotta be the chickens shit, scared loser, recreational player forever, hey hey.

 

Hugo I've placed bigger bets that would make you crap you pants and Nathan aka Karen pass out, so I don't get this fixation with "Chicken Shit".

You have to play a certain level before you experience particular events in a casino, obviously you haven't, kinda figures.
You obviously were, are and always will be a moron, an illiterate, low IQ one at that.

 

Yer just down rights delusional if you actually believe yer own bulls shits and nonsenses, period, hey hey.

 

OK, I still have zero sympathy for the casino. We will have agree to disagree on this one. The fact she was known huge red flag. I simply don't believe there isn't some world wide security links where they would know who she is. And everyone I would think knows Phil Ivey and the stuff he gets involved in.
My take is they looked at the numbers and figured the percentage of advantage he supposedly had. I think the experts felt it was worth it for the amount of his deposit. In his interview Ivey told the numbers and it wasn't that great he still had to get some luck behind him.
You were involved in a discussion on edge sorting at GG long before this happened. I remember because you said that if you knew EVERY first card it wouldn't matter. Naturally I'm sitting at the table going through a shoe dealing out the first card. You were right hundred percent like usual. BUT,

Know every nine when it comes up. Keep a count of one through eight plus one. Ten through King minus two. If you get rich in tens and your first card is a nine. While its not a guarantee it would be the best bet you ever make......

Not saying they did this but I think there was more to it than they have said.....

 

I thought the thread title was about cheating casino .
Undoubtedly some players cheat, some dealer cheat, etc.
Undoubtedly some casino engaged in money laundering, card, ball, dice, manipulation.

The emphasis seems to be a lot of myths.

Here is an opportunity for you that believe the casino cheat you to give names and addresses of these nefarious dens of inequalities.

I’m also amazed that slot players don’t seem to claim foul. Or is that because they play for “fun” ?


I’m also amazed that those that claim irregularities are still playing at the casino location, or even playing at all.


If you claim they cheated why are you still playing?
If you caught your partner cheating on you not once but on multiple occasions you would divorce, so why are you still playing at crooked casino? Cheers

 

I feel as if online casinos play reasonably fair on baccarat/roulette/similar because they have the built in profit %on the commision zero etc.
I have always felt and experienced that they program their slot machines to make the big money.
If you play for 20p or similar you will win say up to £8 occasionally sometimes rarely up to £20 .Now you start playing for £2 or similar you might win occasionally £20 or rarely £80,but proportionally the bigger your stake the less you win generally.

so for £2 stakes you should win £80 occasionally or rarely £200 but this does not happen from my experience.