Blackjack KewlJ

Today 4.5 hours? You are clearly more interested in forum rheoric than playing blackjack.

 

About 5 hours. 5 sessions, one of then a heads up with significant EV.

Very normal for a weekday.

 

Agreed.

 

Rob Singe writes: This is a funny thread. Kew you get SO bothered whenever anybody talks about you!

However, I do have a blackjack question for you that indeed might help Alan since he helplessly still reads every word written on this forum: If you're playing at a table that means you have to be playing at an advantage, right? So now you see an opportunity to count a 2nd table, so you do it. Why? I saw you stated that counting a 2nd table is not accurate because you see a reduced number of cards--it simply allows you to determine whether or not that table is at an advantage, correct? Then if you're already playing at an advantage at table #1 (and even if there's a bad count going at the moment) what's the point of jumping up and diving right into a SECOND table, when you are doing so in full sight of everybody? Is that not a move that's easily seen and puts you squarely within casino radar? And if the count at table #2 starts to go bad, do you keep doing this move and nobody ever notices?

Tater says: Oh brother. Here we go. The simple answer to Alan Medleson is if you want to be a competitive blackjack player? Contact Qfit. Buy CV Data and Verite and GO TO WORK.

The term "make a living" is different for everyone.

 

Maybe the Mendelson threads at WOV are about the UnKewl one maybe they are not. But the fact that UNKewl is concerned that they are...well, you know the punchline. Shows some pretty UNKewl (versus Kewl calm and collected) mannerisms.

 

Either way. KJ brought this all on himself.

 

Bosox writes:
Rob, Kewlj is not jumping up and diving into a second table, he swings from ropes into seats like the legendary Tarzan did in the jungle.

Maybe a triple back flip from the chair at one table and nail the landing in the chair at the other table. That should stay under the radar. No?

Don S could do this. But he decided a level 2 count would be more prudent and efficient.

 

KJ. How are the tables positioned differently in Vegas as opposed to Reno? No way could two tables be counted at the same time here.

 

Both these statements are incorrect.

I had never given tracking a second table much thought. I knew I did it. I knew from discussions among us that another counter that I am friendly with online did it. We even shared the same unique experience in Atlantic city tracking a second table. I suspected other long time players had, but didn't know and never thought to inquire. So after I mentioned it about 4 years ago, and received so much blowback and attention, I did ask a half dozen or so directly. Three players you may know that confirmed that they had used this technique at times were Don Schlesinger, Richard Munchkin and bigplayer, in addition to the 4th player that you know that I am not mentioning by name (handle) None of them surpises me. A few others that I asked said they had never done that, had never thought about it, including Micheal Shackleford and he was the one that surprised me the most I guess.

But honestly I don't know Shackleford exact history as far as card counting. I don't know how long or seriously he card counted as he is into all sorts of advantage plays.

And let me tell you how I think this tracking a second table goes down. Many players that are long time players, especially at the professional level, evolve to where they are playing short sessions. I mean that IS the only way to survive long time and acheive longevity. So once you adopt the short session approach, you play your short session and when that ends, you are looking for the next opportunity. At some point you start thinking why does the next session or opportunity have to be at the next casino or next pit. Why not the next table. Any information at all that the next table is at an advantageous count, meaning even a partial count) and you can jump directly into another advantegous situation with out walking to the next pit or casinos. I mean that is huge! It is just a natural thought progression...you start looking for that next opportunity, before the current one has even ended.

Again, this is a natural progression as far as thought process. I think a player comes to on his own with experience. And that is why I have never taught my brother about tracking a second table. I figure some day he will come to me and say something like I was playing today and noticed the count at the next table was better so I moved over there. That will be the time we can really get into the disussion. And if he never comes to that realization, that is fine too. Nothing wrong with focuing on one game and when that is over, moving to the next. I just start that process while still playing the first game.

Now the second thing is while yes Don uses a level 2 RPC. he has now said several times, with today's games and what he now knows, if he was starting today he would play a level 1 count AND play less index plays" he has further said, "But he can't unlearn RPC and all the index plays he plays after all these years". So it is not really fair or accurate for you to hold up Don playing RPC as an endorcement of playing level 2 count. While he hasn't come out and said DONT play a level two count, I think his statement speak for themselves.

 

Good explanation. No way could I see cards at another table. I tried. The guy thought I was looking at his wifes boobs. I was. But trying to explain I was also counting the cards. He wasnt buying it.

 

Drop the 2. Count the 5 as 2. Easy peasy way to get better deck compositions.

 

Now if your brother was at a table giving you steals (like in baseball).

 

Another untested made up theory by the UNKewl one - that pit bosses are looking not at the increased bet to the count, but the reversion to the minimum bet at the shuffle. What recreational non-counting player (who isn't chasing at the moment) DOESN'T revert to the minimum bet at each shuffle? The more the UNKewl one spouts off his "wisdom" based on the way he THINKS things are, the stupider he looks.

 

Careful not to sail off the edge of the earth, fella.

 

2 x Min Bet is a good way to start a reshuffled shoe for camouflage.

 

Yes it is. Even 3x minimum bet, as long as you only do so for a hand or two before dropping to what size wager the count dictates.

There is very little cost in playing a hand or two at 2 or 3 times minimum rather than reverting back to the minimum. Say you are playing a $25 table and towards the end of the shoe, your wager had gotten up to $200 or so. Not max bet, but still 8 x that minimum wager. So the shuffle point comes and you bet $50 instead of $25. At about half a percent house advantage the expected value for that hand is -.25 instead of the normal -.125. It is costing you 12 and a half cents. If you do $75 instead of $25 it is costing you a quarter (25 cents).

I take it even further, I like to make my minimum wager at least 2 x table minimum. That way IF the count goes negative, you can drop down to that table minimum but if the count goes positive and you start to ramp up, your spreaad only looks half of what it otherwise should.

I call this spreading both ways and in order for pit or survellance to see you full spread, the count would first have to go negative (so you drop down to table minimum) and then positive all the way up to max bet level. And those two things rarely happen in the same shoe. Lots of times a negative count will rebound into positive count territory, but rarely all the way up to max bet level.

This little trick really has minimal cost and does make a difference in terms of longevity. Most of the time your spread looks half of what it is and if you start out 3x minimum it looks about a third of what it really is. A little bit more cost. A LOT more cover.

 

What this nervous poodle doesn't understand is that IF he is getting away with anything, it is mostly because he is a small potatoes player and plays for a very short time. That's about it. Most of the rest of it is typical overthinking by a schizophrenic. (To mirror his habit of boldfacing every other word in his book length rambles.)

Guy doesn't even understand how card counters are detected or verified. I'd get into how it really works (or, as the UNKewl one might post, say "I'd get into how it really works ) but then I'd be educating a know it all who isn't interested in learning.

 

Must you hijact legitimate gambling discussions with your ongoing trolling, hate and attacks?

Don't F***ing tell me how card counting works. I have supported myself for 18 years from card counting, 12 years in Las Vegas. I know how things work at my level of play. I know from not only my own experiences, but other players that I network with and their experiences as well as conversations with 2 friends who work the pit, one on the strip, one off strip. So I KNOW what I am talking about.

How about you take your hate, trolling and game playing somewhere else.

 

The UNKewl one is the one who, as usual, is craaaacking apart at the seams, including his hateful negative uncalled for post about the Wizard today.

The Wizard was very helpful yesterday to me, and offered me advice on tournament play. The Wizard is okay in my book.

As usual, the UNKewl one reverts to losing it when challenged.

 

Not knowing what "helpful advice" you got, but be careful about where do the Lizards of Vegas stand. What are the basic interest of Lizards of Vegas? Have you in mind? Or have casinos in mind? But if you have plenty of money to lose, no need to be bothered.