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Discussion in 'Personal Feuds' started by Tater, Jul 26, 2021.

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  1. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    No forum. No family. No friends. No football. During blackjack session play. Phone stays in truck.

    I cant imagine KJ trying to work with all that forum rhetoric in his head.
     
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  2. Tater

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    Don S writes to KJ
    You read a single article, which you now take as the Holy Grail, and have decided that, because someone wrote something that you have interpreted as you see fit, it applies to every human being on the face of the earth, and that's just plain ignorant.

    KJ is always spouting off about "Do the Math" which he usually leaves out parts or screws it up.

    How about use common sense?

    Don S writes in terms of black and white. Every HoF Coach I ever played for was a black and white perfectionist. But the game is gray because we have to adjust to the opponents idiosyncrasies. It's a game where you lose by winning too much too often.
     
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  3. Tater

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    Casino Tolerance were the words I latched onto 8 year ago. Norm's products were vital to develop a'worthwhile game without excweding tolerances. My strategy is nowhere close to the conventional style or the old 80's books.

    Frank Galvin once said "it's impossible to have a conventional and column count combined." That is what I accomplished after tons of hours and research. Only about 4 people can understand the simplicity, ease, and accuracy. So I will leave it at that.

    Based on the work and time Ive put into the single deck game, I do not believe a 6 deck can supply a living. More than likely, a dying for most.
     
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  4. MDawg

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    The nervous poodle claims that he plays very very short sessions and leaves as soon as he wins a few bucks, as in somewhere between $50. - $100. and even before the shuffle so that no one sees him revert to his minimum bet after attempting his max bet.

    However, he writes about sticking around long enough in a session to lose $7000. too. How stupid is that - hit and run to win small, but stick around to lose big. And in any case, I thought card counters didn't believe in hit and run, but that is what the UNKewl one advocates.
     
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  6. Tater

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    Do the math? Yes, you can run a sim to determine SCORE, Winrate, Risk ans Reward and many other factors. You can pour through results charts and graphs to determine how your time and money investment will flucuate.

    It's one thing to view it. Quite another to feel it. Play out at least 10k hands on Verite to determine the most important factor in your game. YOU!

    If you cant beat Verite in the quiet of your home. Why would you suddenly be able to do it in the noise, hustle, and bustle of a casino?
     
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  7. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    [QUOTE="Tater, post: 118899, member:

    It's one thing to view it. Quite another to feel it. Play out at least 10k hands on Verite to determine the most important factor in your game. YOU!
    [/QUOTE]EXACTLY the way you will play in a casino.
     
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  8. KewlJ

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    That is NOT what I said at all. I said my average session is $50-$60 in expected value. Wins and losses can be anywhere from $0 to 5 figures. Had a nice 5 figure win over the weekend on the strip.

    I can't expect someone like you to understand about expected value though and how advantage play really works. So just keep telling your fiction stories.
     
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  9. Tater

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    KJ writes:
    Well I am not hoping Blackhole dies. It is more fun to watch him make a complete ass of himself day after day, multiple times a day actually.

    Tater says: Well, at least it keeps you out of casinos.
    Ohhh. That's where you make a living.

    KJ writes:
    It is a good reminder to enjoy life, to do the things you really want to do, so you don't end up full of regret and bitterness when the time comes.

    Tater says:
    Like getting an education where you can make double what you claim. 401k match. Health and Dental Ins paid. Vacation pay. Live where ever you choose. Go whenever, where ever you want by working remote.
     
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  10. Tater

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    Keystone writes:
    Blackhole obviously doesn’t like you or believe a word you say, but why does that automatically make him “full of regret and bitterness?” Are you full of “regret and bitterness” because you don’t believe MDawg?

    Tater asks? Blackhole. Do you have a problem with MDawg? Me? Bosox? Don S?
     
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    Rob Singer writes to KJ:
    Too many people have called you on your bullshit, which enrages you and in turn causes you to create countless essays laced with denial.

    Please wise up, and stop making such a fool of yourself.

    Tater.
    The obvious question is when does KJ have time to play? Those countless essays are in his head before on the forum.

    What a mess!

    He won't.
     
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    Many year ago I was a member of a pretty good blacks jack cards counting team. This was back in 1989 and there were plenty of good, countable, double decks action to be had. So, we ran our style in joints in Vegas-Reno-Tahoe and made pretty good cake for about 11 month before our enterprise came apart on a rocks as result of the personalities conflicts. So, my experiences is dated but gotta say that the Kewl-J seem mostly credible to me, hey hey.
     
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  13. Tater

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    White? or Red? 1989. The good old days.;)

    What does "hey hey" mean? There was the "say hey" kid.
     
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    "Hey, Hey, Hey" it's Faaaat Albert.

    The urban dictionary for Hey Hey? Im all for it.:D
     
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    Rob Singer writes:
    You need to get out more kew. And I don't mean to casinos or to any gay clubs. Get some exercise on that bicycle or run. Eat right and stop putting the pounds on like most of your lazy generation does. Get out of town and live your life instead of spending the majority of your time inside the unhealthy atmosphere of casinos. That's something you casino rats never do---travel out of town unless it's to breathe in the unhealthy smoke at another casino.

    Get a life before it passes you by! (And with your problems....hmmm)

    Oh you can relax for a bit now--wer're leaving for S.Dakota in about an hour so I won't be back here for a while.

    Tater says: Well played Rob. Casino Rat? Ive been a Gym Rat. But you're right. The casino is my place of
    Biz. Also, sportsbook is a way to decompress.

    I have many friends like you who travel. Not much interests me and when I leave I cant wait to return.
     
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    "Making A Living" at blackjack is a very broad term.

    KJ says he profits $75k to $80k a year. Expenses like Health Ins. Mortgage payment. etc etc are all on him. HI must be a whopper for a young man after 2 heart attacks.

    ZenKing seems very unhappy for a young man in Vegas holding the world by the tail.

    I can come up 10 people their age off the top of my head who make double. Health and Dental are paid.
    401k match. Vacation pay. Sick pay. Travel pay. The can work from an office in their home. Thus reside whereever they choose.

    One just turned 30 and flipped her first house for $20k after living in it a year.

    If I made $75k a year. I woild bank $50k because my cost of living is only taxes, utilities, and insurance.
     
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  17. KewlJ

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    You have spent many years disputing what I make. Now you seem to be taking a different tact and saying, 'yeah but 75-80k isn't squat'. Which is it moses? Do I make that or not. :)

    Look the facts are. no one ever said card counting TODAY was a path to riches. Ok, let me rephrase that. I never said card counting TODAY was a path to riches. I don't know what these guys that played slash and burn, made there 200-300k in a year or two and now can't get a game and run seminars are saying?. :cool: But let me just repeat MY position again. Card counting TODAY is not a path to riches. THAT has actually been one of the main purposes of sharing so much of my journey over the last 12 years...to show just what kind of money can really be made, and still be able to play year after year and that number is 75-80k for me. Maybe others can figure a way to bump it up. I haven't figured a way to do so and still be welcome....YET.

    I don't compare myself to anyone else, 30 year old or other, either in the AP world, or in the traditional work force. I love what I do for a living and am very satisfied with the money I make. When I started and was just learning, I figured the 'ceiling' was probably 40-50k. So that I have averaged 80k (it is 79k average) over the last 12 years from blackjack card counting is absolutely delightful to me.

    Now moses, you like to low ball my numbers at times when it suits you, saying 75k and highball at other times when it suits you saying 100k. That hasn't gone unnoticed. LOL. That fact is over the last 12 years, my time in Vegas, I have averaged 79k from blackjack card counting. It was over 80 until a down year last year.

    Now you will notice I keep highlighting from blackjack card counting. That is because in addition to this amount I have averaged just over 20k from other advantage play during my time in Las vegas. That has mostly been video poker play, with strong rebound mailers, but there has been some other things, like 30k from one year of playing the Big Six Wheel (Grosjean's technique), one year of hole-carding, some money earned from shuffle machine tracking.

    So all told my earnings over the last 12 years have been just over 100k/year. Again, I don't consider that getting rich. I consider that a decent living, and in my case more than I hoped to make when I started APing. Unforetunately the Video poker/rebound mailers play is drying up or has dried up as casinos have dramatically cut their offers. The past couple years I have made half (just about 10k) of what I used to make and this year will be even less, probably under 5k. So it looks like that supplemental 'graveytrain' may be over. I would like to figure out a way to make up that extra 20k going forward, maybe concentrating on my better blackjack games, with higher win rates, but I don't know. If that supplemental is lost, that is fine. It was always an unexpected "extra".

    You do have a valid point that a card counter, or any AP is basically the same as a self employed person. We pay our health insurancve, and retirement and get no paid vacation or sick days. THAT is how any self employment works.

    Last Point, similar to you, I have always lived pretty modestly. My living expenses are 35-40 k when I was paying a mortgage and honestly about 25k now that I am not. So I am able to bank pretty good money making 80k. I am just very happy and pleased with where I am at and what I do for a living. I only hope it lasta another 10 years.
     
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    Let's not forget another thing about the UNKewl one. This CHEAP BASTARD hands out maybe a five dollar chip as a dealer toke at the end of his sessions. If that.

    Cheapskates like that should be banned from all casinos on G.P. Better that he not tip at all than insult the dealer like that.

    Then again, the UNKewl one is barely winning $50. - $100. a session (and losing 10X that on occasion such that he rarely ends up ahead - just like last year when he ended in the red and gave up) and no wonder - cheapskates never prosper. The UNKewl one is the OPPOSITE of the abundance mentality and will always be in the poor house so long as he harbors that losing, cheap attitude.
     
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    OMG, do you wake up thinking about me? You are seriously obsessed, Mdawg.

    Of course most of what you say is a lie. Unlike some other people that maybe don't understand some of what I say, you understand and intentionally lie.

    I do NOT make $50-$60 dollars a session. I average $50-$60 in Expected Value per session. And playing well over 1000 sessions a year, do the math. My expected value is roughly 80k a year and my actual win rate just about the same. THAT is the way advantage play works. Not surprised YOU don't understand that.

    So while my EV for a session averages $50-$60, my actual wins and losses, are much more, a much wider range. In the last 8 days for example I registed winning days of $6100, $12,000 (playing a little higher stakes than usual on the strip), but also registed losing day of $7200 and $4400. I can't say that is typical, it was a high variance week, but my normal wins and losses for any given day are usually anywhere from hundred of dollar to a couple thousand in both directions. THAT is standard deviation based on expected value, and again, I am not surprised you don't know this either.

    But don't let the facts get in the way. You Lawyers never do. Just lie and spin things however you want to make yourself feel better.

    Peace to you Sir. Stop obsessing about me and find happiness, whatever that may be.
     
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    Wow so I was wrong. He doesn't make $50. - $100. on his winning sessions. He makes $50. - $60.! And he loses 10X that on his losing sessions.

    Anyone so CHEAP that he barely tips $5. when he wins is a loser. That's the most definitive statement of where this guy is coming from. And the reason I care is that I dislike cheapskates.
     
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