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Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Junket King, Aug 26, 2021.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    No thanks to China's gift to the world, they could have stopped / slowed this global pandemic which some estimated has cost 8M lives (reported 4M), wasn't taken to China via frozen meat, or US athletics team, rather escaped due to slack lab workers in Wuhan.

    I say this, because going by your previous comments you are very much a CCP apologist, and no doubt approve of the organ harvesting and genocide of the uyghurs.
     
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  2. Nathan Detroit

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    Kilroy agrees with yo Mr. JK.
     
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  3. Lungyeh

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    For the benefit of readers who may be lost as to the randomness of this posting, in previous postings I had presented that the narratives in Asia on China is decidedly very different from what one may read in America. Some, predominantly someone who takes pride in posting his membership card to show how big a gambler he is (more on this) has taken that as I am a CCP apologists and heap accusations on me and put words in my mouth and someone who has professed he is thrilled with my loss of money to a self confessed schizophrenic.

    For the record, I am from Malaysia not China. I am of Chinese origin and proud of that. I dont speak nor write Mandarin but do speak a dialect, Hokkien. English is my first language and I do speak Malay. In a region where many are tri-lingual, I am bi-lingual.

    I spoke out against the lop sided views that emanated from Trump’s words and actions which precipitated many attacks against Asians in US and the rest of the 5-eye coalition.

    Its a pity today the narrative is to demonise China every which way. The US is a great country in many ways but this war against China is borne out of its need to be the numero uno. Its probably 15 years and 3 presidencies too late.

    Just because I presented some arguments to relay views of the other side, where readers can read and make their own assumptions I stand being accused of being someone I am not.

    In Malaysia, I am accused of being an American apologists because I couldn’t articulate my arguments with the real pro CCP apologists. In my business all these years, I have benefited tremendously from business with American companies. I have never been able to sell anything to China. I started a factory in China many years ago and it chugged along for 2 years and then the China manager took away all the business and started his business 2 doors away! Our group lost @US$5mil.

    America’s hard stance against China continue. Anti Asian sentiments in the US continue. Its racist. One guy making his arguments said something like ‘I am not against Chinese. I am against CCP’. Who am I to believe how he goes around differentiating a Chinese and a CCP Chinese …

    In Asia, most countries wish to stay neutral in this US v China thingy. America is a great country. Not so great is when they are against you. And like shite when they invade you. Name me a country that US has invaded that has emerged better post invasion. China? China has never invaded any country. In fact it has been ‘raped’ and robbed by many countries including the US, UK France and Japan. And forced to pay unreasonable settlements and ceded territory. Today’s China is a different ball game. US brought Japan to kneel when they threatened US dominance. The Japanese capitulated. China is a different challenge.

    China as the origin of Covid? Many stories abound. Yes, they were the first to report it. The way the US handled it decided their own faith. But it is the US preoccupation with individualism and freedom that it went off the trajectory. In Asia, we admire the freedom one has in the US but the majority would not agree with that kind of freedom for their society. In Malaysia and many other Asian countries, if you possess an unlicensed firearm, you are sentenced to death. And licensing is a long drawn process with extensive police checks. Its a curb on freedom as the Americans would narrate but society feels safer. The greater good concept is different in Asia.

    A Bloomberg article has stated that the report to Biden on the origins of Covid in Wuhan is inconclusive. Its Bloomberg anyway. But people like you has made the racial tension worse in the West.

    If trying to present a case for China at that point when Asian bashing was at its peak is taken to be CCP apologists, I stand guilty as accused. Life will go on. But start your own thread on this and we will see its on traction. In the meantime please be reminded this thread is about Baccarat.
     
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  4. Lungyeh

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    I am not your typical American that you characterize. I am not a racist (in fact, I am married to a Filipino), I do not believe that China purposefully poisoned the world and I used to welcome my trips to Kuching, Malaysia for work. That’s where I’ll stop with politics and racism. I’ve had more than enough of that ridiculous narrative here in the States. Any racism that goes on here is NO different than when I was a little boy over 50 years ago. It’s just more publicized. Sure I’d love to see everybody get along but in a divisive and diverse country such as the United States with so many unique qualities (notice I didn’t say differences), it’s merely impossible to cure this major ailment in this country.

    Anyway, would love to talk more baccarat than shit that I try to avoid in my free time as an “escape” from the real world. Now everything has to be infiltrated with politics and agendas including sports and now gambling? Sorry you have been attacked Lungyeh. I’ve said my two cents and now I’ll go back into my hole.
     
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  6. Punkcity

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    Yes it deserves it own thread, although this is worth a comment, all powers ( nations, empires, kingdom, legends in one’s own mind etc) throughout history has waxed and waned , some subside with a whimper others have ended with a bang .
    Like it or not in the next 50 plus years China will be the dominant power on earth. Not saying that’s ccp or ruled by some other system. Look at history of the world. If I’m wrong you can dig up my grave and tell me, 50 years from now not my problem, get over it.
    In your lifetime you live and believe as you see fit, you can point the finger all you want. It will not change the fact , China will be a super power until they are not. Then India will rule supreme.
    We are not talking race here , it’s economic might and the sheer weight of numbers, manufacturing, technology, health and commercial services.

    Economics 101 people, will always prevail over any and all limited opinion and or conspiracy theories. This statement has nothing to do with when, where or why Covid started. Covid will be a byword in history similar to Spanish flu etc.

    Regardless of the above statement of mine each of the countries listed above plus USA and uk, skipptophia etc will always have baccarat, the casinoverse is strong on this planet and as csp10 says that’s why we are here this thread.
    Cheers
     
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  7. Jimske

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    Too late y'all! Hahaha.

    JK point regardless of how China was not forthcoming and still has NOT been transparent. So valid criticism.

    Sorry OB but your response does read like a China apologist. I guess it depends on your definition of invasion? LOL and Etcetera.

    Punkcity - that was dumb. Nobody knows what's going to happen in 50 years. Whether there is even going to be a world dominant power. A future political synthesis might be unrecognizable from today's world.

    Craps. Agreed. But it's easy to criticize racism from a homogeneous perspective. Gather "tribes" together where cultures clash and prejudices abound. Human nature.

    The Baccarat discussions are boring anyway
     
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  8. cps10

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    If I were a gambling man and I am I’d bet that China will be the economic world leader (if it isn’t already). That’s my third and probably last cent on that.
     
  9. Lungyeh

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    Nice to see you write such a long message in a long while Jimske. Do talk about baccarat. Did you succeed with Jae’s OG as modified per your preferences?

    We can bring US v China to a separate thread if you or that guy would start it. With deep felt feelings either side of the divide, I would rather it not clog up this thread with unrelated materials. As happened previously with that guy’s friend.

    We can find issue with anything. Do it on another thread. Please be guided accordingly.
     
  10. Lungyeh

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    As gambling men here, I will take a bet that these 2 gentlemen of Covid origin accuser have never been to China.

    Nor have they seen the airports in Beijing and Shanghai compared to JFK. Nor the high speed rail compared to the Warren Buffet own railway lines. Nor the bridges and highways that make those in the US rural by comparison.

    Nor have they seen the affirmative programs for Uigyhurs instead of genocides as alluded to by Western press. Where the major Islamic countries have praised China for their work done for the backward Muslim communities the US the biggest perpetrator of Muslim genocides, justified or not, is the last country to accuse China of Muslim genocide.

    Again, these are views from Asia. So that people who have never traveled to the Middle Kingdom may know the other side of the story. Thanks To some it comes across as apologetic. So start a thread and I may write in my free time or ignore in my free time. Thanks
     
  11. Jimske

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    I am failing to see your point here.
     
  12. Junket King

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    You were loud in your accusations that the Chinnna virus was introduced into Chinna by a US athletic team because "THEY DIDN'T WIN ANY MEDALS", an absolute pathetic things to say, kinda like when you haven't got a plausible explanation baffle them with STUPIDITY, so they stop asking questions, it's a well known and used tactic we use in my home town.

    You didn't exactly present them, you defended the murderous, corrupt CCP and accused the West for being responsible for 8 million death and COUNTING

    Fairly simple, those that defend the murderous regime in Beijing. I know many Chinese, one of the oldest Chinese communities in Europe is a stones throw from me, they are mainly from Hong Kong, no fans of CCP or mainland Chinna


    Haha, yeah, no need to invade, just take over, TIBET, Xinjiang to an extent, claim parts of the South China Sea that are closer to the Philippines, create man-made islands in international waters, The way the Falun Gong have been treated in chinnnnaa, again harvested for their internal organs, chinna seems to have a developed a habit of murdering it's citizens for money. Taiwan isn't feeling very secure at the moment.


    No they didn't, but they sure tried very damn hard in trying to cover it up with the help of their PUPPET in the W.H.O, trying to destroy the economies of those asking for transparency, such as Australia. The Wuhan lab hasn't been exactly forthcoming for information, why is that.

    Jesus Christ, you call interment camps for 100's of thousands, murder, torture, organ harvesting, biggest surveillance system on the planet, can't leave home without being caught on camera, basically GENOCIDE of a race of people that don't even identify with being Chinese (Tibet mark 2) affirmative action!!! You are despicable, beyond despicable, an absolute disgrace, you need to catch Covid, but given how you defend the CCP both here and on Bet Selection, wouldn't surprise me if they butchered a 20 year old should you ever find yourself in need of a new set of lungs.

    Yeah let's talk Baccarat, when many of us won't venture to a casino due to Chinna gift to the world, may have lost loved ones, seen our businesses, earnings, homes lost due to Chinna's dabbling with and letting escape of a lethal pathogen into the wild, when they could have been up front and stopped it, instead of lying and trying to cover it up.

    As for Gizmo, he should have taken you for more, you're as stupid and disgusting as they come, CCP apologist.
     
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  13. Lungyeh

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    Malaysia is amongst the countries worst hit by Covid on a per capita basis. Friends around me affected every other day. Business is like shite. Open close open close. Pay salary and rent and no business. We survive and dont do the blame game.

    We can discuss your loud accusations any time in a separate thread. I wont wish you get Covid. People like you tend to live forever and heap scorn and curses on people not like you.

    So go away
     
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    i adhere to the wish of the Lung-Yeh so as not to de-rail the baccarats thread so I start this thread to discuss China, good bad or otherwise. Firstly, I will say that I do not worry about China becoming the global supers-power. Quite the contrary, I think that China is a paper dragon. America is decline too, but the problems facing American can be remedied though not via democratic, electoral means. The problems facing China are intractable and can't be remedied by any means, hey hey.
     

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    The China paper-dragon would not even be able to take out Taiwan and that's without US military intervention. If China, out of weakness and desperation make a move on Taiwan and US military intervene then most of China's navy, and air force will be wiped out in days and hundreds of thousand PLA soldiers will drown in the sea, hey hey.

     
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    I took what was given. But I am not happy about that last $1,500. I made a huge computer programing mistake and took the money into a casino and lost it right off the bat. And I promised that it would work. I was too embarrassed that I got sucked into the wormhole of TurboGenius' hot number systems. Much wiser just to stick to what I know.

    Let's see how sophisticated you guys are? Joe Biden got a big payoff from China for investments given by proxy though his son, Hunter. Now we have the exit strategy being played out for our viewing pleasure every evening. We left tons of combat equipment and money behind for the Taliban. Now for the strategy part of all this. China will walk into Afghanistan from their own border with them and start mining the place clean. You see the place is loaded with the minerals needed to make solar panels. Then China will sell those resources back to the world while the Taliban becomes their own personal guard. And we armed the Taliban so that they could do all this. This is just more pay to play "Crony Capitalism" being carried out in backroom deals. And it's all disguised as part of the green new deal initiatives. It's always been about money. It's money for China. It's money for Solar. It's the motivation behind everything. Money is the new battlefields. The Taliban are just willing players in this new phase of manipulation. Gas and Oil are no longer the reasons for going to war or for exploiting third world nations. America's domination in the field of energy wrecked all that exploitation. So of course shut down the pipes and mine the hell out places like Afghanistan.

    Now go "conspiracy theory" on me. I need the pounding. China knows it must control the resources if it wishes to stay relevant in the marketplace. It's all over the free world investing in diverse markets. It's even growing marijuana on Native American Indian reservations in Nevada. There is nothing better in the communist world than crony capitalism.
     
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    Lest no action is taken to keep this thread free of US v China, I just want to make it clear that my intention from the very start was to let some forum members here (and spilt over from betselection) know that the narratives against China is very different in Asia. Totally different. Every single point highlighted. And in that process, hopefully can negate to some extent the real anti-East Asian sentiments built up. Well, if the world continues to be so divided, so be it. It becomes a bi-polar world

    What that guy has regurgitated has shown that he is, first of all infused with Western media propaganda. Nothing new to it. Its a tunnel vision. But even if you google the subject matter in the west, the results will mostly show western media articles. But highlighting Asian points of views makes me an apologists so I will try not to be provoked to make this thread go put of topic again. So Giz, do your part also ok? If not anything, help your friend start a new thread.

    And no, curses like ‘you need to get Covid’ is out of line and can only demonstrate the level you are at notwithstanding that you can call out the name of the Lord. I pray He will miss that curse from you.
     
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    Yep, telling anyone that they need to get Covid is way beyond the pale.
    P.S. I don't blame China for furthering their monitory interests in the world. If lame brained Presidents can be motivated to roll out the red carpet for money then why the heck not.
     
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    Its funny how things turn out. One junkie king accusing me of being a China apologists and wishing I get Covid. Its an innate inability to argue a case coherently.

    Truth be told, I had even registered a website nmicee.com. Standing for ‘Not Made In China’ as an intended marketplace to buy and sell products not made in China to cater for what I perceive as demand from a sizeable portion of a market waiting for something like this.

    More than 3 years now. Sourcing became an issue and we were going to categorise ‘wholly not made in China’, ‘substantially not made in China’, ‘Partially not made in China’ and so on.

    There were some American VCs based out of Singapore we approached but these American based companies also had an even bigger presence in China and did not want to upset the status quo.

    Too tired to debate endlessly with people who can not bring sense to the table and who will not bring me an iota of benefit. Good luck to you Soxfan. He may show you more of his VIP membership cards. If he comes to a level of Diamond, I may start paying attention to what he has claimed to be a big time player. Any VIP member worth his salt do not worry about crossing borders with cash and checking in with cash. Such petulance.
     

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