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Baccarat PPPP bet B Update

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. Leander

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    Thanks for your time and effort Fathead. Really appreciate it
     
  2. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I've tested so many options in the last decade, I fail to recall them all. But this is coming back to me, STAR requires the double win, WLWLWL doesn't do you any favours, which is why the average sequence before WW is important.

    Also in the real world, when you are actually placing real chips on the felt, once your pulse starts racing and you start sweating and placing those higher bets, should you win nobody is Parlying anything, period.

    You're taking the single win and assessing the damage [FACT]. This is why you need to take with a grain of salt the crap the tool from Toronto posts, who can't afford steak himself never mind for some fictitious dog. Typing on gambling forums about "big balls" is miles away from doing it at the tables.
     
  3. soxfan

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    The fat-head researches is in line with my extensive testings of bet bankers only usin the parlay/star style. I gotta laugh at the blustering, harumphing, blows hard, winds bag retard what squeal about the baccarats bein the money game and the coins flip proposition. And the retard what live in the alternate reality where they get clipped by endless number of players dom shoe on a bounce, hey hey!!!!
     
  4. soxfan

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    eah, the drawdown are relative. If ya bust a full star at a 10$ base bet then that's 9k, the same as gettin clipped for 18 units workin with a 500$ flats bet. the bottom line is that from times to times yer gonna get clipped, and face adversity at the tables, it's just the cost of doijn business, hey hey.
     
  5. fathead

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    "What are the "run" figures before achieving a double win?"

    Hmm, good question. Well, a double win has a 25% chance of happening so you would double the LIAR figures. That would make it 28 to 32 decisions maximum between double wins, on these particular shoes.
     
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  6. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    No problem. Good luck to you.
     
  7. Myrtlejones

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    Fathead not going to go further then this but here is an example of straight lines and angles related to baccarat,lets say we are going to bet twice into 4 shoe results,(forget about the numbers), i will explain it from the bottom and as simple as i can, (1) has 4 bankers, shoe result on top is ddd which is down down down just keeping it simple, EOE =SSS side side side , EO result will lag 1 behind shoe result giving a result of a match or unmatch, it does not matter if it is player or banker as the example to the right of 4 bankers, it will be the same result, in other words there are only 8 different ways this result can come no matter what comes out of the shoe, 6 of the 8 will have a match and 2 will not or 6 of the 8 will have a unmatch and 2 will not, if we look at the results the Us and Ms = 8us and 8ms a 50--50 game, Numbers 1 and 8 are the 2 that have ZERO matches they are both straight lines,numbers 2 through 7 all have angles, all have a match, now i want to state this is not what i bet i am just giving an example, my base always stays the same it never changes, i never try to predict banker or player just numbers, my numbers within a group change, columns can be changed but my results never change, when adding numbers to the game we create another pattern, Fathead put the numbers in and take a close look, write them down and stare at the fookers until your eyes pop out you will see it
     
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  8. Xytras

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    Thank you Myrtlejones for explanation. But what exactly are you betting? That the new series of 4 outcomes (#2 in your example UM) will not match the previous series of 4 (#1- UU)? And so on...#3 will be different from #2...did I get this right? Please explain.
     
  9. Myrtlejones

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    I am not betting this as i stated but what changes within this is added numbers to the group, you will find a lot of repeats in small numbers but as the groups increase say 5, 6,7,8, the harder it is to repeat, the percentage changes but the shoe result does not,Fatheads betting banker after 4 players is a flat 90% but no telling where the 90% is or when it will happen,
     
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    Bbbbbbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh are some cats on here still goin round and rounds with the al-relax/myrtlejones retardations and stupidity, hey hey????
     
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    Morons like this ruin it for the rest, one of the reasons why i have not moved forward with the rest of this strategy,the best part of it is this low life interbred piece of sheet has a great system bet banker only maybe you should write a book you would only need one page for your well thought out system
     
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    First post here, been lurking for bit.

    The Carsch variant of star needs 186 units if you go to the end of the second recovery tier. 18LIAR needs "only" 122 units or $1220 with a $10 base bet. But, you are not out of the hole and still need to recover the level 1 loss of 62 units, oi oi.
     
  14. fathead

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    Thanks very much for explaining this to me. I printed out your post and will study it.
     

  15. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Hello - I will read the whole topic - I read the first message.
    I just want to say that I like this very much and i have done something similar.

    Let's say you bet BBBB then you wait for the fifth outcome
    It can be either B or P

    B P
    B
    B
    B

    - - -

    B B
    B
    B
    B

    Then I would bet against the BB formation or against the BP formation to become four in a row with three attempts.
    Instead of betting against four of any kind.

    I had the best success using this with the principal of 1/3.
    So I would use fictive betting for singles, series of two, series of three and until i have four in a row.
    Then i wait for the fifth outcome and start betting.

    The first three and if a loss the next three to reduce the first three loses.
    I have been experimenting with staking 122

    The beauty of this one is that you bet against four of same pattern (group) with 1/3.

    B P P
    B P P
    B P P
    B P P

    I will read the whole topic this evening - i really like the approach - many thanks

    Cheers
     
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  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is some results ...

    31/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    30/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    29/8

    -5
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    28/8

    -5
    +1
    +1
    -1
    -1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    27/8

    +1
    +1
    -5
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -1
    +1
    +1

    26/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    25/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    24/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    23/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -5
    +1
    +1
    +1
     
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  17. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Oh, no problem. If this helps you I am happy.

    I am trying to understand exactly your testing.

    B P
    B
    B
    B

    Your next 3 bets would be B B B (or a win) with 1 2 2 ... is this correct? You are betting against P P P?

    B B
    B
    B
    B

    Your next 3 bets would be P P P (or a win) with 1 2 2 ... is this correct? You are betting against B B B?

    What about these? You bet against these also?

    P B
    P
    P
    P

    P P
    P
    P
    P

    Any other formations that you bet against?
     
  18. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    The bet selection and rules.

    You see one outcome, red or black and bet against it up to three times in a row.
    Fictive betting.

    If you lose three times in a row, then you have a series of four.
    Then you wait for the next new outcome to show and bet against that one three times.
    That is the march.

    We only bet once for each sequential event.
    This means you have to wait for a string of events to fail three times in a row before you can make your first attack.
    You only start one attack after three losses.
    That means if you win once, in the beginning, using the 122 staking plan, then stop and wait for a new sequence or three losses.
    Fictive Betting.

    That is the bet-selection or the march.
    We continue to bet up to three attacks or a total loss of 6 bets and start over with a new day.
    That has to be pretty rare, but I am sure it will happen.
    That is a total of -10 units.

    Note: 1/3 can come in any combination or group of three.
    But four of the same group is very rare.

    This is how it looks like.

    1
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    1 L
    1 L
    1 L

    1
    1 L
    2 W This bet won, now wait for next sequense.
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    1 L
    1 L
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    1 L
    1 L
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    1 L
    1 L
    1 L

    2
    1 W This bet won, now wait for next sequense.
    1 L
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    1 W
    1 L
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    2 L


    Now i will show you how to continue after a losing string.

    2
    1 W This bet won, now wait for the next sequence.
    1 L
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    1 W
    1 L
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    1 W
    1 L
    1 L
    2 W
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    2 L

    1
    1 L
    1 L
    1 L Three loses in a row and we continue with the march with the next sequence.

    2
    1 W This bet won and we continue with next sequence
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    2 W
    2 L
    1 W
    1 L
    2 W
    2 L
    2 L
    2 L

    2
    1 W This bet won and we continue with next sequence
    1 L
    2 W
    1 L
    1 L
    1 L

    1
    2 W This bet won and we continue with the next sequence ...
    2

    The goal of this test ...


    01/9

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -5
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -1
    +1
    +1

    31/8

    +1
    -5
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -1
    +1
    -1
    -5
    +1
    -1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1

    30/8

    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    -1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
    +1
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So you avoid any group to become the following formation at the first level.

    B B
    B B
    B B
    B B

    or

    P B
    P B
    P B
    P B

    or

    B P
    B P
    B P
    B P

    oe

    P P
    P P
    P P
    P P

    And when we look at three in a row with 1/3 we get 8 combinations

    P P B
    P P B
    P P B
    P P B

    Is like following the flow and that the end of the distribution will end with four in a row of the same group.

    Cheers
     
  20. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    I believe I understand. Thanks for explaining this.
     
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