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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. karumba

    karumba Active Member

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    If you play virtually, Spike, does that mean you don't play with real money?
     
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  2. SPIKE

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    I mentioned that last week. A lot of what I do is in my subconscious seeing connections and looking for things because of all the practice that I've done for years and years. So lots of times I'll see a bet and I don't really know how I got there. I mean I know, but I can't explain it. Much of it is intuitive.

    It's generally more like everything together then just one thing. For instance, in watching red black and odd even I will often notice that the 10 red odd numbers and the 10 black even numbers are sleeping. This means only 16 out of 36 numbers are showing up. Knowing this is a huge advantage. But I don't look for this, and I see it anyway. Just looking at the past outcomes my brain will notice the missing numbers. And only 20 seconds in between bets it's good that I don't have to look for these things because I would never see them, there's no time.
     
  3. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I want to know, has King Alfredo of Roulette upped his stake from $1
     
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  4. SPIKE

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    I do not use progressions at all, never have. I only flat bet on even chances. Progressions can get you in trouble really fast. And I don't need them, so why use them. If anything I would use let-it-ride for a couple of bets, but I don't even do that. The less exposed to risk you are the better off you are. I don't care how good your game is you never know what's coming so why be there when it does come.
     
  5. SPIKE

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    Yes, playing virtually means you're playing on paper and not betting real money. Roulette is one of the few games you can do that with. Stay back from the table and write things down and play virtually and when you see a bet walk up to the table and make it.. I don't know any other casino game where you can do that. I usually sit at a roulette table that's not being used, the pit has never hassled me about it in any casino. Even in Vegas. In the downtown casinos in Vegas I have to sit usually at a slot machine and play virtually from there. Invariably, even if the row of slot machines is completely empty of customers, some nut job woman will come along and want to play my machine because I'm not playing it and she just knows I'm sitting at the only machine in the casino that's going to win. This happens all the time. Sometimes i refuse to get up and they actually go and get security and they make me get up. I always make it a point when that happens to hang around and watch the woman lose $15 or $20 and then I make fun of her right to her face. Makes my day. Superstitious morons.
     
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  6. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    You're better than I am then. If I play more than three I fail to notice way too much important stuff.
     
  7. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    20 seconds to watch two and get the bets down. That's fast thinking.
     
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  8. SPIKE

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    I pretty much have to think ahead that if this happens I'll do this or if that happens I'll do that. So when I see the outcome I already know what to do. And it still doesn't leave much time. I know what 99% of the people do. They make their favorite bets and just hit the repeat button. My understanding is PlayTech has an even faster one that gives you only 10 seconds in between bets. New Jersey has a live feed from a real casino roulette table that you can bet online. There is talk of that coming to Michigan. I might play it because you have to wait for the dealer to do all the payouts you got a couple minutes in between spins.
     
  9. gizmotron

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    I do speed up tricks for my online play too. I'm fixing my charting software so I just have to enter the new number off the numeric key pad section and hit the space bar to record it. That will save 5 seconds. I won't have to clear the old number and then move the mouse over to the spin button and click that. It's too clunky for speed play.
     
  10. SPIKE

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    Online casinos have these fast spins because it makes them more money per hour and it also thwarts potential system players. You have to have a really tight system and be really well practiced to make your bets in 20 seconds. Or even 40 seconds. I could not have done it 10 years ago.
     
  11. Bombus

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    So your saying you can get the job done with two EC streams, and given more time to bet only really add streams to get the job done quicker?
     
  12. SPIKE

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    It takes longer with two streams but online the play is twice as fast who cares how long it takes. If I had more time I would add just one more stream because I really can't pay attention to more than that without making mistakes. If I play more than three streams it's very easy not to notice sleepers or certain patterns. Some patterns are very convoluted and require a lot of attention. Such as RR B R BB R B RR etc. This is a pattern that can go on for a while and it's easy to miss until it's almost over if I'm playing more than three streams. Even in the casino where I have more time.
     
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  13. gizmotron

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    Let me explain this. I still use the dozens and the columns now that I'm back on the outside bets only because of speed. I watch the EC high/low to help me with the dozens. I focus on the red/black and the odd/even while searching for long streaks of singles or a sleeping dozen in the dozens/columns choices. In the EC's I look for singles, or absence of singles. I look for perfect chop. I've modified my 7 losses and 3 net wins to include seven losses of a double dozen or a double column bet, but only two net wins. So if my base value bet is $25 for my big bet I would place one bet on one of the active dozens and $25 on the other active dozen. If it loses then I lost $50. If it wins I win $25. In that scenario I win a session at +$50. I also use $50 bets on the EC's in the same games where one net win is enough and the session ends.

    So (Spike) LOL, how many spins can I go at Bovada on the live table without placing a bet before they shut me down and return me to the lobby? I don't want to play a game just to find out. I use a flat bet on three double streets of $1 each and just keep hitting replay. In the end these tend to balance out and have no real effect. I can change them for big moving averages as they don't represent any value to me other than keeping the casino happy. But it would be nice to just rack up spins and chart and not have to place bets to keep the table active.
     
  14. SPIKE

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    I've never timed it but it feels like about 12 to 15 minutes give or take
     

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    That's more than enough. I left to use the facilities once and came back and I was back in the lobby, game over. My money was still there though.
     
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    Winning 20 % of the bankroll is attainable any amount above that is bull sheet .
     
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    I'm happy with 10%
     
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  18. SPIKE

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    I don't have a bankroll. Don't need one. I haven't thought about a bankroll in years. When you know when to bet and when not to bet a bankroll is unnecessary. If I play to make one unit I will lose once every eight or nine bets, unless a zero shows up. I have no control over those.
     
  19. Nathan Detroit

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    A win goal of 10 % is intelligent and and 5 % is super intelligent .


    Fair enough ?
     
  20. Nathan Detroit

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    If Gizmotron wins his 10 % that might be considered as being a 100 % achievement .
     
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