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Baccarat True Believers vs. Con-Artists

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Frank Kneeland, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    BTW, Frank, I read where you said you are still on the fence about whether Baccarat can be beaten, and I guess your mother played Baccarat? It can and is being beaten, Frank. I do. I know others that do. You really don't know much about Baccarat do you, Frank?

    J

    P.S. "Sound of the Sea...." is a fantastic book! An easy rolling read about the role of calcium carbonate in our evolution and the effect of patriarchy capitalism leading us potentially toward a sixth extinction. By a wonderful research scientist, Cynthia Barnett! Buy it! And it's more interesting than reading this forum!
     
  2. SPIKE

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    Gee, a woman writes a book about patriarchy capitalism and concludes we're on our way towards extinction because of it. What a shock. There's a reason women are not in charge it's because they suck at it. It's been shown over and over again that they suck at it. They do not have the instincts for leadership that men do, they can only make decisions by committee. If everyone else agrees with them then it must be a good idea. There's a famous woman feminist, I think her last name is Paglia, who says that if women had been allowed to run everything in history we would still be living in thatched huts and be hunting and gathering food. She is a feminist and she knows what women's limitations are. Now you'll say what about this woman or that woman and of course there are exceptions. But there are not very many of them.
     
  3. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    What I said came from one of the BJ hall-off-fame members and was discussed over diner after he appeared on my radio show. If it is inaccurate, then I am sorry for posting it. I had no reason to disbelieve him when he told me this was a huge source of his income. He also used to dress up as Santa Clause and play on Christmas after he was barred from everywhere to not be recognized. That story is confirmed, I assumed everything he told was true. If that's not the case, then once again I am sorry.

    I am inclined to believe these stories, however I will defer to your greater experience in BJ. Mine is admittedly limited. I just had half the BJ hall of fame on my show, that's not the same as doing it myself. And that statement was not intended to be sarcastic or snarky. It's really NOT the same. They could obviously have been exaggerating. I tend to believe everyone.
     
  4. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    BEST series on the topic of all time...and if it isn't you must send me a link for anything better:

    Human Sexes by Desmond Morris

    "youtu.be/fgfn-eoVU_w"

    You'll have to add the Http //: etc...
     
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  5. SPIKE

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    The first thing I notice is the videos from 25 years ago and certainly some of it must be outdated. Can you give me an idea of what the conclusions they come to are, I'm very careful about spending time watching something that might not be worth it.
     
  6. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    This is a very interesting line of conversation. I will respond fully tomorrow and I'd be happy to talk about it. I must go right now. I'm moving and was just taking a break from loading boxes.

    BTW: My Father also played chemin de fer, which is where my Mom caught the bug.
     
  7. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    No not outdated. In the top three documentaries of all time. I'll PM you tomorrow. Peace out.
     

  8. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    Bigot, racist, sexist the true trifecta. welcome to mar and par kettle hillbilly thread. One has momma issues the other delusional pappa issues.

    Lol spike get on hard the latex, you know you are a gay porn freak, all these years on the interverse , you know you strayed down the gay path. Is that why you contradict yourself so often? One moment your out of the closet you know pussy wrapped in pussy smelling of anal, similar to your avatar, lol, then the next moment middle class mid western USA what will my family think if your a out and out gay toy boy reacharound suckubarse . I can see the conflict, I can see your contradictions, I can see you on your knees in front of kewlj, begging for your six to be shored up, greased and fisted.
    You know it princess.
    Your words

    Your craving

    Your shame

    Don’t worry come out of your hillbilly cupboard

    No one cares about your gayness

    No one pays any credence to anything you post

    No one gives you any credibility you crave, keep pestering kewlj or redietce.

    Search out the most view thread actually it’s a forex thread, remember the one you mocked sometime ago, it’s a way better information post than any of your pap, dross and dictated dribble. Lol spike maybe you can hijack that for awhile. Lol.

    Did the wizard of vegetable really give you a years supply of redundant tinned food to stop posting there ? Shoot, you’ll have a few cans leftover when you depart this mortal coil. What a waste. Lol.
     
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  9. Jae

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    So… lemme get this straight. You’ve successfully identified a particular dealer’s signature spin and can verify that he usually tends to hit a neighborhood number, something you could easily make a ton of money exploiting; but you just said you don’t play, you wait for the next dealer?

    What’s your justification? Is it just too easy and you don’t like playing on easy mode? Is it a moral thing, since you figured out how to make a ton of money you’ve made an ethical decision not to exploit a perfectly legal opportunity?

    Or is it just some mental disability, like some grown man who only eats ice cream doused in mustard or some goofy shit.
     
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  10. SPIKE

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    Good job, that nails her book perfectly.. Women rule, not. And never will.
     
  11. SPIKE

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    He changes up too often, he knows what he's doing can be spotted and changes back to random spins all the time. You can never predict when zeros are coming because he's just doing it to amuse himself. He doesn't spin for zeros every time, that would be ridiculous. He's very undependable which means betting on him would be a losing proposition.
     
  12. porky

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    I have seen a dealer pick his shots with unreal accuracy. If someone was winning he would be brought in. A couple of guys got cute with him one night. Placed their bet and after he shot the ball moved their bets. He laughed, smiled, and said so that's how its gonna be.......
    He took it as a challenge. He loved seeing people lose. And as for those that say the diamonds make sure its random. Not when he would shoot the ball so hard it went over them like a sports car and a speed bump. I will note he was the best I ever saw.

    Sooo everyone that keeps saying it can't be done are the same ones talking math and the casino edge. Look at the wheel one of the greens is flanked by two reds and the other by two blacks.... If you just hit one side or the other depending on what color you bet it puts a huge edge against the player....

    But, what do I know.... been banned from throwing dice at two casinos in the past. Those diamonds at the table keep it random to right?
     
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  13. SPIKE

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    It can be done all right, just not by very many. Takes too long to learn.
     
  14. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Good God, is there no end to this lunacy..

    Not according to Chelsea Manning the Roulette guru on this board.

    Doesn't happen according to the Chelsea, perhaps his body guards have never witnessed it,

    This is utter crap, your average dealer will always look at the wheel if a player is winning to often, because every dealer considers the house chips as their own, not only is it a challenge, they are always more loyal to their employer than some random punter (exception depending on tips or tits), a lot are also jealous of the money being laid out, won compare to their minimum wage. Of course if you are somebody who won't buy fish, because the head and tail won't be consumed, then I guess it doesn't apply.

    Of course, I've had dealers spin 007 solely as a demonstration. those betting $1 a spin and ghost roulette fantasists never witness such events.

    Yep, those that actually have spent a fair amount of time in casinos know the deal, I've done exactly what you have described, moved chips after ball release. It literally becomes open war-fare, which is why I avoid all casino games where the dealer directly influences each outcome, the dealer is not your friend.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/i-destest-roulette.14736/

    Of course the idiotic fantasist million dollar "play money" winner Chelsea Manning has to call it out, cos it doesn't happen. Casinos don't mind winners, they even send you letters congratulating your prowess, even though you don't have a player cards and even lose on purpose occasionally because they are such a regular winner, in some childish attempt to stay under the radar, while their body-guards hover in the background, I guess he means other regular players, what is striking though is that others buy into this horse shit.
     
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  15. Frank Kneeland

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    So your question was if I knew about baccarat. I'll give you a rough breakdown of my experience. My father played chemin de fer. Most famously he played chemin de fer to finance the last $14,800 needed to make the strike pints for his movie Roman Holiday, which his company bought from Cinecittà. He was not involved in the Italian Production only the English version and American distribution. Anyway, they ran out of money, so he went to Monte Carlo and won it. Hearing that story as a child was my first exposure to the game. We used to play in the car driving around Europe.

    When we moved to Vegas and father passed my Mom was always playing baccarat and would bring home all her shoes and have me help analyze them. It's actually how I leaned a lot of the math I now know. So oddly I was doing baccarat calculations and looking at shoes seven years before I got into VP, even though I could not play as a teenager.

    I probably would have become a baccarat player had my Mom not gotten me a job with the VP team. If you know that story I started working 5-min past the stroke of midnight on my 21st b-day. The job took 8-12 hours a day everyday with no day off. I just forgot about baccarat.

    Then six years later my Mom asked me to manage her friend's team, Part of that was to analyze the lead players system to give the investor confidence in investing.

    The team ran for about 4 months during which I was watching and sometimes playing everyday for 10-12 hours.

    Since then I have played many baccarat tournaments, but not live baccarat again. I did quite well in the tournaments.

    Baccarat and my family have a lot of history good and bad.

    I hope that answers your question.
     
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    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    P.S. I'm staying out of the argument in this thread.
     
  17. Jae

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    I wish baccarat tournaments were more popular and available.

    Before I ever started playing baccarat, I would do 2-3 blackjack tournaments a week and typically made more overall in winnings than buy-ins, but not enough to make a living off of.

    Then when I started getting into baccarat, I was absolutely stoked to be invited to a free roll bac tournament (my first of only two). I made it to the final table but didn’t get in the money (I was the first one out). Even though that tournament feels like ages ago, I remember that hand that knocked me out like it was yesterday. I’m a very heavy bank player in real play, but in tournaments I’m playing the players. First hand on the final table, nearly everyone was betting heavy on bank (including myself), I decided to move my bet over to player as I would really benefit from that win. Two players kept adding more and more chips to their banker bet, until one went all in and was matched. I found it odd that the pressure for chip leader on the first hand was so intense, but intuitively, I had a great feeling they were both going down and I was gonna sweep the table, so I went all in on player.

    I don’t remember the hand, but it was bank and that’s when my adrenaline came down and common sense kicked in and I realized that it was a stupid play on my part.

    Second tournament was in Vegas, paid tourney. Didn’t make it to the final table. Was out of practice in tournament style plays and focused way too much on banker wins and not playing my opponents. Would love to do another tournament.
     
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  18. Junket King

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    Analyze them for what exactly?

    Care to divulge exactly what this team did? Did they make judgement calls, bet Banker only, flat bet?

    The reason I ask, is because Baccarat is my game which I know inside and out and I've played enough shoes for the last decade and have strong views on what works and what doesn't.
     
  19. Frank Kneeland

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    I don't want to answer your question incorrectly, but it's been so long I can't remember. I should have records, if I can find them. I just moved so I actually have all my stuff on hand and accessible, which is rare in my life. Give me a day.
     
  20. Jimske

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    Wow, I had to google to see if Morris was still alive! He is! But Barnett's book (and others she wrote) are not just about that. More encompassing. This is not to take anything away from Morris. Generally different topics.
     
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