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Baccarat EVOLUTION RNG RIP OFF

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Jimske, Apr 1, 2022.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Yup, the next foray into First Person Evolution RNG I thought I made a mistake with copying my scorecard. I even took another card and fixed it. I thought it was me not paying attention again. Then it happened again and I realized the Main Road was changing with free hands!!!! So I took a pic at hand #25 and another at hand #28. Sure enough the Main Road and subsequent roads changed within 3 outcomes! Here they are. After PP at decision 20,21 everything seems fine. After that the game goes OXOX on the left but after some ties morphs into OXOOX on the right.

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  2. SPIKE

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    The computer changed the past outcomes so anybody just coming into the game would be getting false information. It's why I never play casino RNG.
     
  3. fathead

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    Wow that's pretty bad. Definitely not ready for prime time. The programmers need to work out some bugs.
     
  4. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm feeling better about the RNG they use. I've only seen that "glitch" once more at the end of a shoe. I've played 18 shoes and made a profit in all of them. I do use a progression and my normal live style. I started with $1.00 base bet and now am up to $3.00 !!!!!!! Win 163 and lose 130 for 55% strike rate.

    True confession time.

    I hate gambling. I hate the casino industry. Punk asked about confidence level in another thread. After all these years my confidence level about 50% when I make a bet. Reason is I never KNOW when I have the odds in my favor and that makes me nervous. And this knowing I'm pretty sure I win more bets than lose (as above!!). I used to count them for thousands of wagers but I don't keep good records of that anymore. As a BJ player I wasn't bothered even the times when I was taking a hit. But with Baccarat I never really know. So even with the RNG $1.00 I am sweating every bet cuz I will NOT give the casino a nickel!! I am very suspicious of the RNG still. I'm glad I got that off my chest.

    MY gut feeling looking at the shoes is that the common patterns tend to be a bit longer than live. That means the chops, streaks, the 1212, the 222, etc. seem to go a bit long. That should be good for some players but I don't play that way so . .. .

    My shoes mostly incomplete because I only play about 25 hands or so in a shoe. Sometimes less even if I don't have a good feeling about how it starts. When the shoe ends the game wipes them out immediately. So here I decided to just keep getting free hands to get most of the shoe for this pic. So there's a few hands left that wasn't played in these shoes. Probably just one or two. Anyhow I though I'd post a pic in case any one is interested or has any comments. The feed gives 6 games commission and 6 games no commission. I play commission. It keeps the feed so one can stop and pick up a game in progress. When the game ends it wipes the card. Now I will just wipe all these games and start a new feed. That's all for now. (not a goof bunch of ASP)

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  5. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Many years ago on my first venture into rng I firmly believed that I was being targeted as an individual, I was the only one player in that bank of machines therefore I was the only person losing. Ergo I’m targeted . It took me some time to come to the conclusion that for my part at least it was an ego driven reason. As a person that is making a living from being correct losing money because obviously the bet lost was very hard to get around.

    I’m not suggesting it’s your ego jimske but this is a telling of my process.

    I enter into the battle (as I view it in the past ) it’s me against them. I have to be correct, I’m right because of what I do and the way I do it I HAVE TO BE RIGHT I have to BELIEVE 1 gazillion percent I’m right or admit I’m just guessing.

    As I believe I’m right, my selection criteria is correct and above 52% in the shade why did I lose other than the fact that I was targeted ?

    The reality is I only win in the 52 percent range ON average, yes I get 80-99 % sessions 53-75% sessions,35-49% sessions. I realised that on paper betting I would lose with no money down, how did the rng know about what I wrote in my book, eye in the sky? No. How ?

    I believed in my own infallibility, I have a winning method I must be targeted. Then after awhile of sitting there and actually running the commentary through my own head or even just audibly to myself ( I hope lol)
    “I’m not a target, I’m not being singled out” , “it’s not aiming at me” etc. I got through it , I took note of other player betting in higher units than I winning and me losing, no I’m not targeted, I just didn’t select the correct decision. The rng is in a cycle contrary to WHAT I BELIEVE or THINK, ME . not the rng fault.

    My game partner/ mate would ask why I’m leaving after losing a large sum of money, you have to stay and get it back etc. they still don’t understand that the time was not right and I can come back later and get it all back plus a profit.

    As long as I remember to play what is in front of me with the tools I have at my disposal and not try and make the rng do what I want then I don’t feel targeted, I win 2 lose 1 get up walk away, or win 2 lose 1 , stay win 7 out of the next 9 hands , get up walk away. It depends on my emotional, physical and mental frame of mind at the time.

    Target me ,
    no ,
    I just made the wrong decision, how many more am I willing to make before I quit that session is the only question needed.
    Just food for thought. Not suggesting or implied to you jimske. Cheers
     
  6. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm not that paranoid yet. My real worry is understanding that it's possible for someone to monitor my play and change the outcome in order to defeat me. Since I play a progression it would be rather easy just to change a couple hands low limit losses to put me in a higher debt amount. Do I believe that's happening? No I guess not. But the doubt and the possibility makes me cautious.

    On the other hand I was thinking about what TwoUp said about random number generator and their difficulty to mimic real life mechanical games because of internal states. Well that's a little bit above my paygrade but I understand what he's saying about trying to mimic the multitude of configurations. But he ended with the idea that the RNG could be random enough.

    Recently JK commented that his method did not like streaky shoes. Having studied the seven column a little bit I understand why. But if my guess is anyway correct that the RNG on Evolution gaming is exhibiting more streaky patterns I wonder if your method would actually benefit from such? I'm going to go back and look at your method against some of the shoes that I saved to see if I think that it's a possibility. I mean even Assymbac commented Honda unlikelihood of those shoes I posted initially. And I know that he is someone who has studied a lot of shoes so his opinion must be considered.

    In the meantime I still play live of course as usual but it sure is nice just to play a couple shoes while I'm sitting around the house. LOL
     
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  7. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    "“I’m not a target, I’m not being singled out” , “it’s not aiming at me” etc. I got through it ,"

    I thought that is just me haha, we all have those thoughts, then you come to your senses and realise, if they do something to target me, then others will profit from it, unless of course they expect others to return anything they win.

    "I'm not that paranoid yet. My real worry is understanding that it's possible for someone to monitor my play and change the outcome in order to defeat me."

    When I played online I wrote down the results in a A4 pad, eliminating mistakes. Haven't you got the option of another online joint where real cards are used.
     
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  8. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    @JK. I guess if I go through VPN I can get live dealer. For now I'll stick with RNG. However they do it this is my feed and my feed only. Everyone who logs on gets their own feed.

    Except for the possibility of cheating on their part I'm in agreement with TwoUp that it's random enough
     
  9. asymbacguy

    asymbacguy Active Member

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    Jimskie wrote :
    MY gut feeling looking at the shoes is that the common patterns tend to be a bit longer than live. That means the chops, streaks, the 1212, the 222, etc. seem to go a bit long. That should be good for some players but I don't play that way so . .. .

    Actually we got the same impression after having collected at liive casinos several RNG shoes coming from Interblock, Spintec and SHFL machines.
    If this should be true, such games would be quite beatable, of course providing that results are totally 'insensitive' about real bets.

    It's easy for us to fall into the trap of thinking that when we're losing at real live shoes we are just 'unlucky' whereas at RNG shoes we were 'cheated'.

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  10. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm gaining confidence that the RNG first-person evolution is not cheating. A weird thing happened. I made a bet and thought I want it but it deducted from my balance like a loss. I thought hell I must have made a mistake sometimes that happens putting it on the wrong spot. I made another bet and watched it I won and it calculated another loss so I went what?. So this time I paid attention and made another bet yeah I know that I won it and it calculated another loss on my balance. Of course I was upset and pissed. So I went and had dinner LOL and came back and signed on again and went to my transactions and sure enough it had corrected the bounce that showed on the game screen and gave me the correct money. So I thought that was weird but I'm happy that it worked out that way but I still don't know why that happened. So there's that

    I kept track of the last 1330 decisions so about 19 shoes. Yes they seem pretty streaky. So I devised a little simple method to follow the repeats and I come up with 50 units flat bet wins for those shoes. I don't know what you mean by "iinsensitive" about real bets. I'm playing the same way as I play live and I don't know if it's any different. I'm doing well both live in with the RNG. I play smaller amounts on the RNG. I was thinking about what TwoUp said about internal States and not being able to duplicate all the possible combinations. This may be a basic flaw in this kind of RNG. But I don't know. I'll just keep track as I go along.

    J
     
  11. asymbacguy

    asymbacguy Active Member

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    Good to know you got fine results either at RNG and live shoes. (We did too).

    I'm asking what's the maximum betting limit allowed at the game you play at.

    as.
     
  12. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    RNG 1-5,000. LIVE 5-50,000
     

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