Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Chris Kaisan the German roulette VB millionaire says about EC " Take a certain amount of funds to the casino

leave credit cards at home and chose one table for playing Red another table to play the Black EC..

 

@SPIKE also what has been long longest session and average til you finally win your unit

 

smart man

 

7 spins because I got two zeros. 90% of the time I do it in one or three spins.

 

At one occasion at the Atlantic City Taj just sat a moment at the roulette table (not EC )


W 0 W 00 W 0 . I have had it there went next door to the Resorts and won the next 2 sessions according to my MO winning 2 out of 3 sessions .

 

100% cisgendered. I know nothing of transforming ones gender parts.

Sounds like you have done some research. Have you decided on your new surgeon to rectify the botch up from your last procedure?

 

TwoUp, your butt, It's just repackaging a commonly known joke here in America: "Don't get your panties in an uproar."

 

Any other suggesstions?

 

Chat to reach 300 msgs.
I'm missing 75.

 

I am at 469.

 

In case anyone is interested, I am now at game #295 with a dollar win of 47,140.00. Or divided by 5.00 base unit = 9,428 units.

 

Not if you turn the dozens and columns into an EC by putting one unit on the center dozen or column and two units on the dozen or column you're betting on. You now have an even chance bet because you have neutralized the center bet.

 

Because the game automatically resets itself after every spin, the outcomes are not connected in any way so every time the ball is spun it's a new game. The last game is over and done with and has nothing to do with the next game. Therefore you can't 'quit' because the game has quit you. It's different with games like Blackjack and baccarat. The game does not reset itself after every hand, only after the shoe is done.

 

Not true, the last hand has nothing to do with what's going to happen next. So game over after every hand. The next hand you are either going to win or lose, just like in Roulette.

 

Nope. As soon as the deck is shuffled the outcomes are set. This is why you can count cards in both Baccarat and blackjack because the hands are connected in that shoe. You cannot do that in roulette because everything is not connected.

 

Penney's game analysis shows the wait time of some patterns in a stream of outcomes are much shorter than others, which gives rise to the victory graph I posted earlier and again here:



0/1 means the same thing as Heads/Tails, H/T, Red/Black, R/B, Even/Odd,, E/O, High/Low, H/L, Player/Banker, P/B or Win/Lose, W/L.

I will use X and O to denote the two possible outcomes of an even chance decision but they can all be used interchangeably.

The probability of witnessing triple sequence of A before B can be up to 7 to 1 in favour of B for some combinations.



In the table above 7 to 1 represents a probabilty of 7/8 for B to occur before A vs just 1/8 for A to occur first. Quite a difference even though both patterns are equally likely!

The correlation of different patterns means some patterns form more readily in the result stream than others.

A simple example. Considering a stream of even chance outcomes X and O and two patterns XXX and OXX. The only way that XXX can occur before OXX is if it happens at the very start of the sequence of outputs, otherwise OXX must always occur before we can witness XXX. The XXX pattern has a 1/8 probability (and so does OXX) but when looked from the perspective of a stream, OXX has higher probability to result in a match vs XXX. This is what we mean by wait time for B (OXX) beats A (XXX).

This is all based on the Penney Ante math game which is still being actively researched, and Conway's Leading Numbers which is the measure of the correlation of a sequences. Just want to make it clear that this it not nonsense. There is serious math behind what I am presenting and you can google it for yourselves.

As we see in the victory graph and the table, the patterns XXX, OOO, XOX, and OXO are poor choices as they have the longest waiting times.

The set XOO, OXX, OOX, XXO all have the shortest wait times when considering a stream of EC results. If you look at the table we see player B wins with these patterns and never any of the bad patterns.

So knowing this what patterns would you target or at the very least avoid or bet against?

Important to understand that neither of B's patterns are on average better when pitched against each other. This is the non-transitive nature of Penney's game. It is basically a case of Rock, Paper, Scissors, all have just an even chance to win and lose against each other.

There is a large body of math that proves and explores what I have presented here. The waiting time for a match is certainly in favour of some patterns vs others despite their probability being the same. This is the counterintuitive aspect and the wonder of Penney's game.

Some other interesting observations is that any occurance of XOO means it must eventually terminate with OOX, so seeing XOOX in the result stream is a really two matches 'XOO' and 'OOX'. Seeing the following stream XOOOX provides a match on 'XOO', 'OOO' and 'OOX'.

If you have a roughly even probability of winning and losing a bet or 'coup' (W/L) you could also apply the same logic to the W/L registry. Certain patterns when looked at from a stream perspective will have far less waiting time. WWW and LLL are less probable to occur before WLL, LLW or LWW, WWL (no worse than 1/2 but up to 7/8 advantage).

Here is the full probability table for every pattern combination vs every other.

 

Nice post, I poured over this Penny Ante analysis over 20 years ago in an attempt to apply it to Baccarat, but came up blank.

 

No. David is correct. It's irrelevant that the outcomes are "set" in Baccarat because whether they are or not doesn't change the fact that you are completely ignorant as to what the next outcome will be, just like in roulette. Counting cards in Baccarat gives no advantage, unlike in Blackjack, so it's to all intents and purposes a game of independent trials if you are betting on P/B, just like roulette ECs.

 

In relation to TwoUp's post above, here are the waiting times for doublets and triplets.

Doublets

HT and TH = 4
HH and TT = 6

Triplets

HHT, HTT, THH and TTH = 8
HTH and THT = 10
HHH and TTT = 14

With B having the slight advantage over P in the game of Baccarat, it would be interesting to see what the difference in waiting times are for the various combinations.

An interesting anomaly is when you move up into quadruplets and then some contradictions arise.
For example, although THTH has a waiting time of 20 and HTHH has a waiting time of 18, THTH is more likely to turn up before HTHH with a probability of 9/14, or well over one-half. In other words, an event that is less frequent in the long run is likely to happen before a more frequent event.

 

do you think its really worth to play it til profit after it sleeps atleast 6 times and then jumping one table to another like that. even if it wins it should be much lower win rate then your 80% of betting way