Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

I know nothing about any of this but -- what the heck -- I've read all this stuff, so I'll comment. That'll be my catharsis. I can't believe I read this whole thread. And RS isn't too wrong on the verbiage thing.

I've been on WoV maybe twice in my life. Looked like a high school chess club. Lots of people think they're grand masters; none are.

Anyway, KJ, excuse me for using a pop culture reference here, but I have a fine 60's and 70's Marvel comics collection. Think of Shackleford as J.Jonah Jameson. He controls his chunk of the media, man, and there's not much you can do about it. He gets to spin everything any way he likes. Think of yourself as Spider-man (well, a gay Spider-man). You have skills, you have fans, but you can't control the media. So be Spider-man. Do your thing, do your job, and be you. Shackleford doesn't own you; don't let him own your time or your energy. The hell with him. He ain't all that famous. Do your thing. If that thing is taking him down, okay. Then take the gloves off and forget about reasoning with the dude.

Sorry to intrude on your thread, guys.

 

It wasn't a death threat. Shack was born with air conditioned sinuses. He's never been on the bottom of society. Were I in his presence and someone made an aggressive towards him I would be the first one in the fray. I'd have to protect his punk ass because God knows he don't know how to do it. That's the difference between Shack and me. He's a candy ass and I ain't.

The "popping caps" thing was all about giving him a wake up call. I got his attention by totally disrespecting him. If he is now rethinking things then I'm glad I made the statement.

Shack, I can be your friend or the worst enemy you have ever made in your life. Take your pick.

 

Very good. See that wasn't too difficult. No name calling, just a little derogatory pepper sprinkled in. But your assuming everything is problematic.
Your persecution complex has taken on it's own personality.

I would prescribe a daily 2 hours of meditation and Jasmin tea with an abundance of cinnamon. This drink is known for it's relaxation qualities and nerve sheath conditioning.

Also, have you ever noticed that you and freddy have exactly the same posting styles, right down to the paraphrasing and punctuation?

 

For 3 months now, since my suspension, I have struggling to express my 'case' against how I was treated. Attempting to make my points, had a way of extending my posts, way down “boredom street”, making the attempts ineffective.

I have found a way that allows me to express my disappointment and frustration with my treatment in a way that I feel pretty good about. Using Mike's own words, really crystalizes my points and I believe highlights his very unfair handling of this situation, in a manner that will allow me to rest my case somewhat (and maybe even just rest).

I have posted this in the thread that I started recently entitled “details of Shackleford discussion”, which I am linking to. (hopefully allowed).


http://www.gamblingforums.com/threa...scussion-my-final-post.5281/page-3#post-15518


I ask that you do me the favor of not responding to this post in the “details of Shackleford discussions” thread, but rather any comments, replies or discussions be made in this thread.

Reason being: Because I feel Mike's own words makes my case as best I can make, I sort of would like that post to be the final post of that thread. Sort of a little closure for me. But I am going to stick around and continue discussion and criticsism of WoV, right here in this thread and hopefully maybe get into other topics along the way. Thank you in advance of honoring that small request (replys and responses here not the other thread).

 

Kewlj thats a pretty devasting argument against Mike Shakleford
Bravo!.......there's no way he will respond with a cogent argument of his own because he jsut can't. his position is indefensible....

he's a loser and there's no way to rationalise his actions...............the man has ZERO integrity!!

 

KJ is such a drama drag queen. It must be such a terrible struggle to be banned from an Internet forum. You should talk to a psychiatrist before the suicidal urges become too strong. Or in your case, you pretend to kill yourself and then resurrect yourself after the drama dies down. Why don't you become more active in your real community, instead of hanging out with cyber outcasts. March in a gay parade, pick out a wedding dress, do something constructive.

 

I love the transparency from Kewlj. too bad Wov don't have the same transparency...............

remember everyone when 1BB got nuked for this harmless post?
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/749/#post497996

and of coarse a few posts later good old RonC had to chiime in, but of course he didn't protest 1BB's unjust ban...............

and remember when Exoter got nuked for handing Jabba's ass to her here? another member nuked for writing a cogent arugment
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/681/#post491661

and remember when JohnCena got nuked over calling Hillary Clinton a lesbian? yep good old RonC again claimed the word "lesbian" is homophobic and Jabba agreed with RonC by nuking him......
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/650/#post476978

gotta love that transparency................

 

Those links are great reading. Anyone doubting the glaring dysfunction on that site need read no further. Notice the munchkins calling for bannings throughout the threads and then giving their approval when it happened.

1bb blew them out of the water and they had no comeback except a ban. Here 's SOO POOP : " I hope a moderator sees this and bans you for being rude to your host".

RX whiner says good riddance to Exoter and Little Axel the slot pro gets his licks in against JohnCena....a guy who did nothing wrong. It goes on and on. Take a few minutes to read the links. It's very eye opening.

 

If by exactly the same posting style you mean presenting the facts in a clear and concise manner then quilty as charged. There are no eggshells here. Say what you mean. If you think we are the same person present your facts. Or go running to the admin and complain. Ask for an investigation. You've been here all of 2 days so go for it. Or feel free to start a thread Is Freddy Larry or is Larry Freddy? There have been worse threads started here.

Tell us, Nate, did they send you here to stop the bleeding over there or are you here of your own volition?

Do you have any comments on WOV? Gambling?

 

Maybe you could comment on the Miata or why they are mesmerized by all things gay over there. Why is that subject brought up so often? Why is it constantly interjected into so many threads? Isn't that the definition of hijacking? "I went to the casino last night. By the way I'm gay. I played roulette. By the way I'm gay".

The people I know never think about it. Why is it such a preoccupation over there?

 

Box

by the way- I support kj and think norm is wrong, but in thinking about it- how is this different then Facebook or Twitter.... People have been banned by both for not following their rules, you don't like it tough, it's their rules, You may want to post nudes under freedom of speech - tough - they will close your account eventually- Same difference here- even though people add content. You have zero say

 

This thread was started as your personal wov bashing board. Which also makes you on topic as a main subject of the topic. Why would I start talking about gambling and hijack this board that way.

Correct, clear and concise libel and character assignation because of getting banned from some internet site. I have no need to alter the flow of such a 'uncensored' board nor care to. The read is entertaining, but sometimes blatant hypocrisy, which is a pet peeve of mine, entices me beyond my normal habit of only reading.

And no, I dropped by on my own, but do read other forums, wov included. I'm not a pro gambler, not even an amateur. Which is why I sought out internet gambling forums in the first place. Boards like this are fun distractions from the gambling boards, as they can be rather dry at times. Learning a hell of a lot.

good luck

 

I am fairly objective but I don't understand why you would join yesterday after KJ posted his PMs, use your current handle, ridicule his personal preferences, and insult him like what you just did. If you have a valid point to make, do so.

 

No suicide urges here. My life is sweet! I married two years ago. I wore a tux. I have marched in a gay pride parade before. I have also marched in a St Patrick's Day parade. I am pretty active in my community. I volunteer half a day each week at a youth homeless shelter where I do laundry providing clean sheets and towels. Each August I am one of four sponsors at a LasVegas radio station's backpack & school suppy give-away, providing over 10,000 backbacks filled with supplys to kids. Is there a point to your dramatic entrance post other than you just wanted to be sure everyone knows that I am gay? Your mission is accomplished....you can disappear back into the woodwork now.

Thanks, LP9. I think it is a pretty good argument as well. I think using someone's own words makes a pretty strong case. Mike will cry private conversation violation. Two-faced people like to hide behind that so they can say one thing privately, while saying another publicly. If you tell the truth both privately as well as publicly, you don't have to worry about that kind of thing. And if he want's to claim he didn't say those things, I have the actual screen shots. Not that it will matter. He'll brush it off. Probably ignore it. Maybe make some sort of statement saying I will never be re-instated for violating private communication policy, rather than acknowledge he was caught being the dishonest person that he is.

 

Ok,

I'll be who I am. Your name shows you are here just to be an asshole. Why not be a man and let us know who you post under elsewhere. You obviously know about KJ and have an agenda, so at least let us know who you are. I'm not guessing but I have a few ideas. By the way KJ is gay, I believe he is proud of it and has never hid it as long as I have read his posts, so why is that an issue? He doesn't take it as an insult.

 

KJ
he obviously read something over here that he didnt like. However there is no real president for someone being punished for something written on another site.
MrV raised that question a few months ago, and was told that mods cant be bothered monitoring other sites. I think beached whale might have answered that inquiry.
Mr V is on record calling people on WOV, "jackals, Koolaide drinkers, munchkins, and described the manboys tin cup waving as "unmanly". There was no punishment as there shouldnt be.
So why YOUR comments on another site seems to require punishment......I have no idea. Well I have an idea after reading the manboys own words from the PMs.

QFIT came across as being slimy when he made a sneaky distinction between PMs and emails,. And now the manboy seems to be just as slimy .

 

so another case of bias. this time described by tringlomane:

"Buzzard" = "ernestmiddle" called me out recently in PM for quoting a post calling him out and asking why the mods haven't done anything. In his case, I felt like he deserved a suspension for posts a few times against me when he was a member in a good standing, but never got one; therefore, I didn't have a problem calling him out.

Similar to another poster whose last suspension was almost a year ago and has a suspension rate of about 1 in 10k posts...lol But this poster also wondered if my g/f looks like someone 50 years my senior in my last TR posted here. My last trip to Vegas (Feb. 2016) wasn't posted here partly because of that post, and I again used the abbreviation "M" to refer to my 31-year-old g/f. And I can't imagine how many other borderline offensive things he (or Buzzard) has got away with.​

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info...n-ii-about-the-suspension-list/58/#post535694

I hear what your saying tringlomane and agree with you about the bias on WoV but why didn't you speak up sooner?
people like tringlomane may be nice people but there silence on things like this is the very reason why WoV has turned into a cesspool!!

 

To my knowledge, I have never met Mike. Maybe at the Ball; but I don't
remember having met him. There are so many people in the field. I have run a
few sims for him in the past, as I have for a huge number of people, and
consider a vast number of people in the AP field friends. KJ attacked people
at BJTF for five months and I watched and ignored it. Finally, when it was
clear to me that he would never stop making false accusations of scams, and
his posts became more and more strident, I e-mailed Mike because I felt KJ
was trying to start another forum war. I hate forum wars. I NEVER suggested
that Mike ban, or even suspend him. I only said that I thought some of the
posts were virulent, harmful to the community, and should be removed. After
KJ and others accused me of "begging" Mike to ban him, Mike posted that what
I am saying here is true. In no way did I ever even slightly hint that KJ be
suspended. Indeed, I was surprised when he was.

You will note that KJ always says he has "sources" for what he says about me
and others; but won't tell who those sources are. Most of them are the
racists at ZZ that claim I was part of 9/11. I am very careful in what I say
and how I parse my words. I have made tens of thousands of posts and written
the largest book on BJ. You will not find any exaggerations in what I say,
post or write. I never use or trust anonymous sources
But you are friends with Mike and know you asked him or rather at least
spoke to him about it.

On Jun 7, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Norman Wattenberger <[email protected]> wrote:

Again, what do you mean? Stop what? It is KJ that goes to forum after
forum with these horrid accusations. It is his buddies that continue
to libel me, month after month. Where do you see me doing anything?
Have I responded to a single post at GF.com? No. Have I responded to a
single one of these awful KJ posts at ZZ? No. I have not responded to
any of the horrid posts filled with lies at WoV for six weeks. I have
said nothing at BJTF in months and regularly delete posts that say bad
things about KJ, of which there have been many. I stopped defending
myself on forums months ago. KJ and his buddies continue on multiple
forums to libel me. Now, they are calling for a boycott.

Again, I had nothing to do with KJ's nuke at WoV. I don't control WoV.
I don't even know Zuga or the guy that owns it. KJ's absurd statements
that I must approve his return is beyond paranoid. These claims are purelies.
There is nothing to mediate as I am doing nothing. Yes, you are
missing something. You are believing KJ without a wit of evidence.

norm

Then I am just missing something- why can't you guys just agree to
stop - and why contact Mike I mean we are all adults

On Jun 7, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Norman Wattenberger <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't know what "doesn't smell right" means. I also don't know what
you mean by "mediate". There is nothing to mediate. KJ has threatened
both Mike and me and we have both cut all communications. In fact, I
had to send KJ six cease and desist orders because he kept harassing
me by e-mail comparing me to the worst dictators in world history,
simply because I wouldn't let him falsely accuse people of crimes on
my forum. And all of this over the fact that he thinks everyone
should use HiLo. Imagine if this were over something serious. Mike
and I are bothadmins. We have to put up with this.
There are two forums devoted to making wild accusations against him.
There is one (zenzone) that does this to me, and now KJ has started
this on GF.com. At ZZ, I have been accused of pedophilia, being a
part of a "Jewish conspiracy" to bring down the WTC on 9/11, of being
part of an Obama conspiracy to bring terrorists with Ebola in to the
country to kill tens of millions of Americans for my own profit, and
scores of other nonsense, all using my full real name to bring it up
in Google searches. KJ has now started using my full real name for
the same purpose. KJ has stated publically and privately that he will
spend the next 50 years, long after I am dead and gone, attacking me.
He publically posted that he will celebrate on the day I die. What
kind ofperson says such things?

All I want is a place to talk about AP without personal attacks. My
forum is my living room. People should be polite in someone's living
room and not loudly proclaim people that disagree with them arecriminals.

I can back up everything I have said. KJ can't back up anything he
has said because they are all fabrications.

norm





I'd be happy to mediate and reached out to Mike but honestly and I
have zero skin in the game but something doesn't smell right from my
point of view

On Jun 7, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Norman Wattenberger <[email protected]>wrote:

Curious. Why do you say I pressed the issue? Mike himself posted
that I did no such thing. It is KJ that has now pushed this on four
forums with hundreds of posts and accused me and three other people
of crimes. Do you believe four people on BJTF have an agenda to
purposely mislead people to scam them? This is what KJ has been
posting everywhere for eight months and it is pure libel. KJ has now
been permbanned at Ken's site, BJTF, and WoV.
He was chased off of BJ21 twice. It is time that he took
responsibility for his own actions. He is the one that caused
himself problems on so many sites. He needs to stop blaming other
people for hisproblems.

lj

I have no published objection to KJ returning. His claims that I
begged to have him banned, which changed to I demanded that he be
removed, which changed to I threatened legal action if he weren't
removed are paranoid delusions. His belief that I control WoV is
beyond delusional. I don't know the owner, have never communicated
with him, don't have his kind of money, and couldn't possibly
control what he does. His recent claim that threatening legal action
is my M.O. is nutty. I have never in my 67 years on this planet
threatened legal action against anyone and have no lawyer. All of
his claims are just weird. Today he claimed I was billyryan on WoV,
with zero evidence. On ZZ, he is calls me Stinky Watten-boogie
claiming I have bad personal hygiene. He claims that I tried to get
him banned from four sites. The actual number is zero. He even
included twoplustwo. Ididn't even know he posted there and I don't know anyone there.

As Mike posted, I never suggested that KJ be banned. But, after his
threats to me and Mike, and his current rants on GF.com, filled with
scores of fabrications, yes I now have a strong objection.

Look, the man has a problem. If he had any real friends, instead of
followers, they should stop supporting his ever increasing rants and
perform an intervention. Yes, he is doing damage to the AP community.
But, he appears to also be heading toward a total breakdown.
Unfortunately, I can't find anyone that has actually ever met him

Before I stick my foot in my mouth- do you have a published
objection to kewlj returning to Wov? I think I was told by a
reliable friend of YOURS what the real problem is but is there
something that can be squashed?

 

He is just some dude that knows a few words in the psychiatric field (possibly from personal experience) and feels like people will oooooh and ahhhh over his ill informed usage. He has no clue that he is dealing with a health professional that has spent many years helping to treat people like him.
In the real world, a haldol/zyprexa cocktail would serve him well. His psychosis leading to his pseudo psychiatrist persona can be well treated. Yes he knows a few words that might impress a novice, but to a health professional he is rather transparent.
He will continue to avoid commenting on specific FACTS that you , me, LP9,and KJ present.
Instead its intellectually easy to comment on duplicate screen names, and pretend to have mental health knowledge. That is all he can do so far is troll the poster....rather than cogently comment of the facts presented.
So who cares if he doesnt like HOW the facts are presented......he can take a calmative and get over that part. However the reality of this thread remains...that its fact driven. And it would never have survived with so much interest over time if it didnt have a large basis in truth . People can sense bullshit.....and if this was all bullshit.....the views would have dwindled down to nothing.

 

"However there is no real president for someone being punished for something written on another site." So, now you're bringing in the race card and including Obama?

No, seriously, believe it or not, I agree very much with your point about what is said on other sites should never be used on another site as a decision maker in treating people on their sites. That's pure bullshit when that is done. And lowers my hypocrite tolerance level.

There also seems to be veiled difficulties with alternative lifestyles. Was this whole situation caused by totally personal relationships being destroyed and it spilled over into the wov forum. Appears that way to me, IMO. Seems to be people with problems about alternative life styles vs people of alternative life styles, yet I get the feeling the alternative lifestyle folks had already been having issues amongst themselves.