Slots Mickey's Roadplayer Blog

I goofed it up and accidentally deleted out the first screenshot. Here it is:



Okay, so that is the $1 bet. Watch what happens when I make a $2. In this screenshot you can see the Royal Flush is paying just 16,000 coins or 400 for 1. But take a look at the Joker Royal. You can see that it is now paying 400 for 1 also. At the $2 bet this configuration, 3-5-4 is at 105.59%.



So now the longest cycle I'm dealing with in this game is the 5 of a Kind, 11,000. With optimum strategy you will come off with either a Natural or Joker Royal every 7300 games.

This game is on a lot of machines. The 5 of a Kind multiplier has little meaning. The best configuration, 5-5-4 is at 106.51%. A 2-5-4, meaning the 5 of a Kind is on a 2X multiplier, comes in at 105.13%. All the meaning is in the Natural and Joker 4K's.

These are the configurations I play:

5-5-4...........106.51%
4-5-4...........106.05%
3-5-4...........105.59%
2-5-4...........105.13%
5-5-3...........102.71%
4-5-3...........102.25%
3-5-3...........101.79%
5-4-4...........103.71%
4-4-4...........103.25%
2-4-4...........102.79%

 

Larry, those were all responses to your highly inflammatory--and off topic--rhetoric about me. You attempted to derail the thread, and you did to a certain extent. But have at it, buddy. Limp on off with it. In attempting to make me look bad you are only making yourself look bad.

 

I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD.
If anything I am making the enablers look bad.
You, have an illness and need help. There is nothing to makr you "look bad" about.
You crave people to enable you, and give you pats on the back about your lifestyle. However your "lifestyle" includes more than just playing slots.
I point that out and refuse to enable you, refuse to say "its not that bad" refuse to say"he is harmless" refuse to say" you go boy" refuse to say "he has it under control" or "he is living a life I wish I live" .

You wont get that from me as you get it from others.
2 things can be equally true. You can be good at finding value at clot machines.....and you can be an alcoholic that needs help.

And being an alcoholic that needs help, I dont applaude your hateful musings as comical, funny, entertaining......because if sober maybe those posts can be viewed as over the top funny nonsense ...but coming from a person that is ill....its just sad....and I find no joy.

So again...carry on.
AS long as you respond to me, I will respond back.
otherwise your lifestyle other than drinking......is interesting to some...so go to it.

Remember you brought up your drinking by posting a drunken rant on this thread....which opened the door.

you see...thats an unintended downside of being drunk....you fucked up your own thread with yoru drunken rant.

 

Is it good to wait for a higher jackpot number the more people you are "racing" for the jackpot?

 

Said Larry, then goes on to make this "all encompassing" statement.

So you accuse me of making up a set of fabricated facts, then you claim MC is living a life we all wish we had. Where is your evidence to back up that statement?

Again where is your evidence to back your statement up, maybe the kudos was for the profit margin, nothing to do with lifestyle.

Is MC doing it for pats on the back, or simply sharing? Did he make any mention early in the thread that we are not appreciative, just like gr8 would have, has done. No, he just posted to provided an insight on what he does and some of us who like reading gambling tales felt like saying thank you. How you managed to twist that to, "he does it because he wants people to enable him (whatever that means) and we are envious of his life-style", I shake my head. Calm down a bit Larry, pause for a second, it's not like you not to be meticulous.

Regarding the booze, he's old enough to live his life the ways he wants, nobody has to condone it and the rants, doesn't make them acceptable either, but it's not a kiddies site, we know they are booze fueled, some of us don't take them seriously.


Unless of course your nature is one of a grassing DOG who can't wait to report shit, or a narcissistic wimp with a loose sphincter and have the FBI on speed-dial [sorry couldn't help myself with the last paragraph].

 

i COULD ANSWER YOU POINT BY POINT,,........however I have respect for the topic at hand, ...the other topic....the one other than the one MC introduced about his alcoholism.
But its safe to say my assumptions as a health professional and dealing with alcoholics for a 2 year peoriod of my professional life.....are more soundly based reality than the folks that claim he is just a joy as an alcoholic, and he is amusing when he posts drunk.
Just as "amusing" as a known untreated person with Tourettes screaming "fuck the niggers" in a movie theater.
You would laugh....and I would suggest the person seeks help.

Just as I am doing here.

 

No, how many people you are racing against is irrelevant. you will get your share in the long run. But only max bet when the meter is at the numbers I posted. You actually want a lot of people on the bank. The plays come quicker.

 

No one enables me. I do what I want regardless of people's opinions. And guess what Larry, I sober up all the time. You, on the other hand, cannot sober up from you Narcississtic Personality Disorder. You are married to it 24/7/365. Talking down to people, casting people in a poor light, pushing your misery onto other people give you temporary feelings of superiority. But it's only temporary so you have to continue doing it.

WoV decided to quit enabling your NPD so got rid of you. This site enables you to continue with it.

Don't look for me to back down. Just like YOU said, as long as you respond to me, I will respond back. I don't back down, dude.

 

not asking you to back down....backing down is not in the fabric of an alcoholic
they are in denial. They have heard how funny and entertaining they are enough times to expect accolades, and when someone doesnt give them the pat on the back they get all defensive.
It all has played out in the manner expected.
We have a difference of opinion regarding reality.

So I will bid you goodbye on this thread.

The entries you give on slots are quite nice.

find a way to be well

 

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Wrong again Larry. Casinos ABSOLUTELY DO CARE TREMENDOUSLY that's why there are very few accumulator/ banking slots/ links bonus banking/ Progressive VP available anymore. Most AP leave with the cash and don't give it back, most ploppies gamble it back whenever they hit stuff.

Casinos like Bellagio had games custom designed just for them. Net-pay was a 3 coin .25 soccer themed linked banking slot. They had approximately 50 machines and they were very popular. They used a bonus pool that got distributed during a somewhat predictable linked bonus round. IIRC one coin went to the bank(THAT'S HUGE because I believe 1/3 of your 3 coins was going to the bonus. The casino made the same amount of money either way, actually they made more with APs since It kept the machine more busy attracting other players and you had to play slow to be qualified for the bonuses. At the beginning it was worth at $350 to $700 a day with almost no risk $200 was more than enough to start your day. I actually made a mistake by telling someone who quickly brought in 2 people, because I was playing something different and better so I didn't really take the time to really investigate the full potential. I kinda just shrugged it off because it was only .25 and I was playing a $1 banking slot. So I missed a few weeks of it before I went back to do a full investigation. I made up for that because I hired someone that wasn't doing to well financially. So I bought him a few suits help me play for 25% of his daily profits plus food and bonuses.

They had 2 other different banks of different like this, specifically made for them(I'm actually not sure about the maze bank, but I never seen it at another casino). Not to many people knew about nep-pay or globe shopping or how they worked. Since you had to remain actively playing, it didn't piss anyone off as they were non the wiser, because even the ploppies got the same amounts in the bonus rounds. Smart APs played away from ploppies wherever possible anyways. Eventually When the Casino figured out the games were +EV for AP's they took all their own custom made machines all out. Perhaps they had a 2 -4 month run, I can't really remember now.

Fun fact: A real Rat famous Asshole "slot guru" Charles W. Lund Was fucking around with that dumb maze game that was worthless compared the other stuff. I admit I played the Maze game the fist night before scouting everything and occasionally scouted and it when it was slow until he came along. He was about 25 feet from the good stuff and we would avoid having him see us. I watched one time as he looked at the good machines for a few minutes and walked away

Mandalay Bay built there ENTIRE casino slots around Anchor Gaming accumulative bonus banking system and some linked fast meter must hits.
People absolutely love the system. Some sections were set up where the bonuses came up frequently they were exciting and paid well(You could even randomly win a new luxury sports car). Different banks had different bonuses and had separate bonus pools. Free credit awards, big and small multipliers, must hits. The casino didn't lose money to AP's . It just came out of the player funded banking pool. I never seen any problems, customers were oblivious(none of this required waiting behind customers or anything strange, no need to fight for the machines) They didn't like the advantage players, eventually there were at least 20 of us working the casino. I don't know how long it lasted but in less than 4 months, I seen it coming because overnight they ripped out the entire system. I talked to my host(they comped very well at one time, I was never told no for nice dinners, show's, boxing tickets, rooms and clubs with line passes) and I only played the bonus slots .5 .25 and $1 @ $3 a pull, my coin in was low with short bursts of fast max bets less than 5 minutes except a few times on the must hits) He told me many good players were complaining and it cost them a fortune in revenue to abandon the system.

That's just a few situations where the casinos didn't directly lose any money to Advantage Players but they were willing to cost themselves money to make sure Advantage Players didn't profit from their casino. There are many many more situations like this.

At one time Fiesta casino was very AP friendly and they had some great pay-tables that were over 100% I actually think that greatly contributed to their success. That place was always packed. Their reputation was a casino you could actually win at or at least you're money lasted longer.
Fun facts: There was an AP that made a deal with the Fiesta casino and IIRC he lived there for 6 months to a year playing mostly $1 denom +EV stuff. the Fiesta casino rand a good promotion where they paid doubled on winning combinations on the horses. You could box different combinations(round robin?) with a huge advantage.



Not sure how many years you have been playing Poker at the Pepper mill, but they had(perhaps they still do? doubtful) a similar area dedicated to a player pool banking slots something similar to money time. FYI larry If you're a winning poker/ horse/ sports bettor then you yourself are a part time AP. Epesilly if you play most weekends that's actually oftentimes how many AP's get started and go full time. AAMOF guy like Romes have regular Jobs. As mentioned before there's Doctors, layers, teachers, realtors that make good money AP'ing. One of the more successful long time respected AP's is a doctor. It's actually good cover and of course they no doubt have a significant bankroll to work with.



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I don't think Mickey is in denial that he's an alcoholic?

Do you Drink larry?

 

Looks like a fun game. What's the meter move, and how many plays can you get per week @103% or above?
I know I probably asked this before and I think you said no. I'll ask again but do they ever do any promotions or marketing? Even small bars in Vegas do stuff.

 

I can't run enough volume by holding the line at 103%. The frequency of the natural 4K is 500 and the frequency of the Joker 4K is 160. So when I find a play like the 3-5-4 above I'm at 105.59% for an average of about 120 games before I have to draw for a new multiplier. And if I held the line at 103% I would only have a 20% chance of drawing a multiplier that would keep the game above 103%.

I handle the situation in a different way. Let's say I find a 3-5-4 like the one above. If I hit the natural 4k first I get payed $140 (70 for1) then have to draw for a new multiplier. I have a 20% of it coming back on 5X, a 40% chance of it coming back at 4X, and a 40% chance of it coming back on a 3X or 2X. If it comes back on 3x or 2X I have to quit the play as it is in negative expectation. So I have a 60% chance of it coming back on a 4X or 5X. If it comes back on 4X the theoretical is 102.79% and I keep playing. At 5X I'll be back at 105.59% and of course will keep playing. This way I'm playing at 102.79% for 2/3'rds of the time and 105.59% for 1/3'rd of the time for an average of 103.71%.

When I hit a Joker 4K I get payed $48 and have to draw for a new multiplier. So 20% of the time it will come back on a 4X, 40% of the time it will come back on 3X, and 40% of the time it will come back on 2X. If it comes back on 3X I'm at 101.79% and will keep playing. And I will keep playing if it comes back on 4X. So I have a 60% chance of it coming back on a play. So 2/3'rds of the time I'm at 101.79% and 1/3'rd of the time I'm at 105.59% for an average of 103%.

So what happens when it comes back on 2X? I have the option of quitting the play and going and finding another. Or I could back off to betting just one nickel until I change the multiplier. It depends on how I feel. Sometimes the play will ruin because I hit the natural 4K while betting only one nickel.

Anyways, thats how I handle the situation in order to run volume.

 

I got into town at 4 PM yesterday. I checked into the hotel then decided to hit a few casinos. I didn't find a Joker's Jackpot play but I found 5 short term advantages. So 4 winning sessions for $137 and one losing session for $39. A net of $98.

Expenses:

Hotel..........$50
Gas............$25
Meals..........$11

Total...........$86

I'm not planning on working my butt off on this trip. I just wanted to get out of the house. I'm going to take things easy and just mosey along. The fall colors are coming in. We're in the equinox and losing daylight at a rapid pace. It's a good time of year for sightseeing.

 

i wont prolong this aspect of the thread so that people who want to read about the non alcoholic side of an AP can do so.

I will respond on a different thread.

 

I'm not sure if you had posted up exactly how they worked before if you did I missed iit. I wasn't sure how the multipliers worked. I'll take a closer look later.I think you awnserd assuming I knew exactly how they worked.

My question still remains unanswered to me (not that you didn't answer it). I basically want to know how many hands on average per week/month or whatever you get out at 103% or better? Trying to figure out if one can make 5k,10k,20k,30k+ a year finding plays on just that game. For instance one can get a huge advantage on UX machines and must hits etc, however It's a grind looking for them and they are sometimes hard to find.

I think someone could make a living off of the linked penny train mystery progressive slots in a busy casino. I haven't seen anyone attacking them. There is Zero competition, probably because they are difficult to figure out. Anyone that has the knowledge, ambition and bankroll to do it wouldn't wast their time, it's probably a maximum or $10 to $18 an hour. Ill jump on the small meter if I happen see it at 4x reset just for fun.

 

lThe play has been here the whole nine years I've been here. I worked it the first several years. I could count on getting in 10,000 hands per week. But I quit playing it about 4 and a half years ago when better things popped up. So now I decide to go back to playing it. Today I went through about 40 machines and found just one play. That's a very bad ratio, not even close to what it used to be. I don't know what's going on. Did the ploppies quit playing it? Or did they quit leaving good multipliers? Either way, a play or two a day just won't cut it. I'm seriously thinking about turning around and going back home tomorrow.

 

Ever wonder what you'd be doing to support yourself were it not for AP and its road trips?

Like now: if the opportunities for slot AP dry up, what then?

Real job?

Give plasma?

Care giver?

 

Why not do both/all? 10k hands isn't that time consuming, I'm not sure how much driving and scouting is involved in that.

Average bet $2? 20k coin in? on average 4%? one could make about 3200 month? - expenses. Not bad if you have money stashed away and live modesty. Especially when you can make you're own schedule stay up late and sleep in and not answer to anyone.

 

What happens when you reach the age your body and mind isn’t as sharp and willing anymore?

I’m sure the casinos aren’t paying any pensions or health care to career AP’s. I doubt very many AP’s have been paying much if any taxes towards social security. Here are some facts about social security.

“The maximum monthly Social Security benefit payment for a person retiring in 2016 at full retirement age is $2,639. However, the maximum allowable benefit amount is only payable to those who had the maximum taxable earnings for at least 35 working years”

“The average retired worker received $1,340 in the most recently reported month, according to the SSA. That's up from $1,305 as of late 2014, reflecting the slight increases in cost-of-living adjustments that took effect at the beginning of 2015”

Let’s not forget in your golden years is when you need good health care coverage the most.

When you can make your own schedule, stay up late, and sleep in and not answer to anyone: sounds great as long as you can produce. When wear and tear on your body will without doubt call in its life marker you need to be ready to write that check.

If not your only choice is to become an additional expense and burden to society leaching off the governments freebies.

Of course if at this time you have bushels of cash hidden, then everything I said above is meaningless.